are we saved if we remain in sin -? no

[Alithis]

Are we saved if we remain in Him? Yes! Problem solved.
Thanks btw Alithis, I'm back on track again. I hardly prayed anymore.

that is a so much better way to word it ... i like that ..

are we saved if we remain in HIM ..YES

cant remain in both .

 

[TurtleHare]

Who keeps us in faith but our Lord God so hows about we give credit where credit is due since HE is our Savior and not ourselves. We only remain in faith because HE keeps us there, thank you God for all you do to save us.

 

[Alithis]

I forgive you for your bad behavior toward me.

im sorry i caused offense with my overtly sharp retort in the first place
i am as emotionally passionate a person ,as the next .learning to respond in the spirit of love ALWAYS and not sometimes needs developing to say the least .

i note that a harsh answer is not sin .. but also is not always wise ..,because i'm reminded of the proverb that "a gentle answer turns away wrath ..' where a harsh reply can evoke anger in another . in this i erred.

 

[Alithis]

Who keeps us in faith but our Lord God so hows about we give credit where credit is due since HE is our Savior and not ourselves. We only remain in faith because HE keeps us there, thank you God for all you do to save us.

so since we abide in faith as suggested by some even against our will...and are kept in faith are you saying we have no part in it?
can we go off and do what ever sin we so desire because he keeps us in faith?
are we now mindless robots without will?
is that the purpose we were saved for..?
were we saved to be automons.or set free from slavehood to disoedience that we might now..be obedient.?

 

[Rens]

so since we abide in faith as suggested by some even against our will...and are kept in faith are you saying we have no part in it?
can we go off and do what ever sin we so desire because he keeps us in faith?
are we now mindless robots without will?
is that the purpose we were saved for..?
were we saved to be automons.or set free from slavehood to disoedience that we might now..be obedient.?

One text says He works the willing and working in us, the others that we have to be obedient and work together with Him.

 

[psalms 91]

One text says He works the willing and working in us, the others that we have to be obedient and work together with Him.

Obedience is key for those who love me will obey me, and God will not force us ever, we have to want to

 

[TurtleHare]

so since we abide in faith as suggested by some even against our will...and are kept in faith are you saying we have no part in it?
can we go off and do what ever sin we so desire because he keeps us in faith?
are we now mindless robots without will?
is that the purpose we were saved for..?
were we saved to be automons.or set free from slavehood to disoedience that we might now..be obedient.?

What's this robot crap I keep hearing people talk about whenever it's brought up that God is working within our lives?

 

[Alithis]

in the midst 0f the reconciliatory tone of more recent posts i will
reply in scripture only ,in that we may reflect on it from our own hearts .. and leave it at that seeing that so often conflict arises from seeing the same thing from differing angles .

This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions. Yet now he has reconciled you to himself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, he has brought you into his own presence, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault.
But you must continue to believe this truth and stand firmly in it. Don’t drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed as God’s servant to proclaim it.

 

[visionary]

that is a so much better way to word it ... i like that ..

are we saved if we remain in HIM ..YES

cant remain in both .

To the end....

Matthew 24:13 ►

New International Version
but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

New Living Translation
But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

English Standard Version
But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Berean Study Bible
But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Berean Literal Bible
But the one having endured to the end, he will be saved.

New American Standard Bible
"But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

King James Bible
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But the one who endures to the end will be delivered.

International Standard Version
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.

NET Bible
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever will persevere until the end will have life.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.

New American Standard 1977
“But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved.

Jubilee Bible 2000
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

King James 2000 Bible
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

American King James Version
But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

American Standard Version
But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

Darby Bible Translation
but he that has endured to the end, he shall be saved.

English Revised Version
But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

Webster's Bible Translation
But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

Weymouth New Testament
but those who stand firm to the End shall be saved.

World English Bible
But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.

Young's Literal Translation
but he who did endure to the end, he shall be saved;


Many take John 3:16 and think that is all there is to it.... but while that is a great start,... that is also the position one must remain through the thick and thin in life events to its bitter end. Devils believe but do not respond correctly to this knowledge and are lost. "Believe" in the hebrew mindset is more than a nodding acquaintance and acknowledgement that it is true, in the hebrew mindset, it is an all in, in thoughts, words, and deeds according to His word.

 

[Alithis]

To the end....

Matthew 24:13 ►

New International Version
but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

New Living Translation
But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

English Standard Version
But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Berean Study Bible
But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Berean Literal Bible
But the one having endured to the end, he will be saved.

New American Standard Bible
"But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

King James Bible
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But the one who endures to the end will be delivered.

International Standard Version
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.

NET Bible
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever will persevere until the end will have life.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.

New American Standard 1977
“But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved.

Jubilee Bible 2000
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

King James 2000 Bible
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

American King James Version
But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

American Standard Version
But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

Darby Bible Translation
but he that has endured to the end, he shall be saved.

English Revised Version
But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

Webster's Bible Translation
But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.

Weymouth New Testament
but those who stand firm to the End shall be saved.

World English Bible
But he who endures to the end, the same will be saved.

Young's Literal Translation
but he who did endure to the end, he shall be saved;


Many take John 3:16 and think that is all there is to it.... but while that is a great start,... that is also the position one must remain through the thick and thin in life events to its bitter end. Devils believe but do not respond correctly to this knowledge and are lost. "Believe" in the hebrew mindset is more than a nodding acquaintance and acknowledgement that it is true, in the hebrew mindset, it is an all in, in thoughts, words, and deeds according to His word.

Absolutely.
Though remain means remain... To the end..

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[Lamb]

God brought us into faith and He keeps us there (we take no credit). If we leave, it's our fault for rejecting Him and His forgiveness.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes and many do