are we saved if we remain in sin -? no

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very true, how about those who say God doesn't speak or they don't hear Him? Do they then miss it

I can't speak for them. I have "heard" private revelations in books, audio tapes, videos, and even from the mouths of those who claim to have received them. Most I have not received as revelation from God for various reasons including triviality, fatuousness, and contradiction. Some that I have "heard" were credible. I have not gone out of my way to follow the credible ones nor have I gone out of my way to disobey or refute them.
 

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I can't speak for them. I have "heard" private revelations in books, audio tapes, videos, and even from the mouths of those who claim to have received them. Most I have not received as revelation from God for various reasons including triviality, fatuousness, and contradiction. Some that I have "heard" were credible. I have not gone out of my way to follow the credible ones nor have I gone out of my way to disobey or refute them.
ok others then? What of yours?
 

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ok others then? What of yours?

I hear the voice of the Lord in the holy scriptures and in the mass and in the teaching of Christ which I receive from the Catholic Church and in prayer and in meditation. I do not make an announcement when the Lord teaches but I am happy to share what I receive and point to the holy scriptures as the source for testing and verifying what I say. You've "heard" quite a lot of what the Lord teaches to me in my posts. But I make no grand claim to special personal revelations when I present truths he has taught.
 

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we should all have those, not just some nor should it be anything special beyond the fact that it is direction from the Holy Spirit. Many do not hear or see as visions are also not to be reserved for just a few
 

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we should all have those, not just some nor should it be anything special beyond the fact that it is direction from the Holy Spirit. Many do not hear or see as visions are also not to be reserved for just a few

Why?
 

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Job is called perfect and righteous. Jesus is said to be without sin. Enoch is said to have pleased God and to have been taken [to heaven] because he pleased God. These facts appear to challenge the interpretation you are giving to the psalm and the way you're using Romans 5:12.

Any one of us who has received salvation in Jesus Christ are also righteous in the sight of God. We please God by our faith. Nothing I have said challenges the word. You challenge the word.

Jesus was certainly not born an unbeliever.

Wow...you have certainly picked up on an elementary truth. No points for that.
 

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Any one of us who has received salvation in Jesus Christ are also righteous in the sight of God. We please God by our faith. Nothing I have said challenges the word. You challenge the word.



Wow...you have certainly picked up on an elementary truth. No points for that.

Excellent reminder that we please God because of faith! Not that we do anything to gain faith but that it's a cherished gift from God so that we may believe in Him! All the works we do that are pleasing to Him are done "by faith".
 

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Excellent reminder that we please God because of faith! Not that we do anything to gain faith but that it's a cherished gift from God so that we may believe in Him! All the works we do that are pleasing to Him are done "by faith".

such as ?
 

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such as ?

Matthew 25:37-38 Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?

You see, the Holy Spirit works through us to do the good works He had in mind and oftentimes we are unaware because we are one with Him.
 

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That truly is a part of what we are supposed to do
 

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Matthew 25:37-38 Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?

You see, the Holy Spirit works through us to do the good works He had in mind and oftentimes we are unaware because we are one with Him.

i agree ..it is a part .. and will any PART of it be done by our inaction ? and if it is not done then where is faith ? and if there is no faith where is salavation ?for we are saved by faith .

and since knowing what is right to do and not doing it is sin.. are we saved if we continue in the practice of sin ? nope.

repentance is not a one off act, but a state of continued obedience from that day forth .we are to Die daily to ourselves in order to live daily in the lord .
 

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i agree ..it is a part .. and will any PART of it be done by our inaction ? and if it is not done then where is faith ? and if there is no faith where is salavation ?for we are saved by faith .

and since knowing what is right to do and not doing it is sin.. are we saved if we continue in the practice of sin ? nope.

repentance is not a one off act, but a state of continued obedience from that day forth .we are to Die daily to ourselves in order to live daily in the lord .

We are led to repentance by God but as I've said in other posts, you don't know who still has faith and who doesn't. Our turning back to sin CAN lead us to fall but it's not a guarantee that it has already happened because again, we don't know who still has faith.
 

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We are led to repentance by God but as I've said in other posts, you don't know who still has faith and who doesn't. Our turning back to sin CAN lead us to fall but it's not a guarantee that it has already happened because again, we don't know who still has faith.
Many stuffle and try but when you can do sin and not think twice about it then you are in trouble
 

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94 posts and is there agreement that those who deliberately sin are in great danger of a condemning judgement?
For if we sin willingly, after receiving knowledge of the truth, there is no sacrifice remaining for sins, but instead, a certain terrible expectation of judgement, and the rage of a fire that shall consume its adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)​
 

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94 posts and is there agreement that those who deliberately sin are in great danger of a condemning judgement?
For if we sin willingly, after receiving knowledge of the truth, there is no sacrifice remaining for sins, but instead, a certain terrible expectation of judgement, and the rage of a fire that shall consume its adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)​
I agree
 

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lol i v been agreeing with the scriptures the entire thread ..
but sometimes the scriptures are not that comfortable for people to hear.
but when we are free from sin -and then walk in that freedom ..they are a joyous message .
 

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94 posts and is there agreement that those who deliberately sin are in great danger of a condemning judgement?
For if we sin willingly, after receiving knowledge of the truth, there is no sacrifice remaining for sins, but instead, a certain terrible expectation of judgement, and the rage of a fire that shall consume its adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)​

There is agreement that there is danger but to outright call someone a non-Christian because of watching sinful behavior is not his call, that belongs to God alone.
 

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the question posed and answered is

are we saved if we remain in sin ? the answer being -NO .

the reason being that Sin is what leads to death and hell .. righteousness does not lead there ..sin results in death and hell .
we are saved from our sin .
to be saved from it is to be set free from its control over us .

repentance is NOT a one-off act bt it is a continued state of life .

if we feign repentance that falsehood is shown up by a continuous return to sin.. it means we have not turned fully and wholeheartedly to god that he might set us free from sin, but we have turned half-heartedly to him but desire to also enjoy our sin.. that is the proverbial luke warm state and almost indifferent state ..a horrid state of self-deception .

a person who has fully entered into repentance to god forsakes sin ..they do not go back into it to continually practice it . if they do that they simply show they are not yet saved from it, but are still enslaved by it .
that is not what the lord Jesus came to do for us -he came to set us free -fully free .

when we first repent we are being saved ... that is difficult for some to understand but we grasp it by faith .
when we mature we cast off sin and learn to walk in a maintained state of righteousness by obedience .
a child learns obedience but remains a child .but once hey have learned obedience ,they walk in it .
if they do not then they are a rebellious child .. and are thrown out .an unfruitful branch ..cut off .. a foolish virgin ..shut out . rebellion is Sin .
thus - knowing what is right to do and not doing it ..is the sin of rebellion .
obedience, has never been ,is never and will never be excluded from life in the lord Jesus .

our ongoing sanctification can never occur without obedience and if we are not ongoing ..we are drawing back.. and 'my soul shall have no delight in them that draw back .
if we are not ever moving forward and constantly being transformed into the image of christ then we are drawing back from being so .
and,that, is disobedience .
Therefore, I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

 

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There is agreement that there is danger but to outright call someone a non-Christian because of watching sinful behavior is not his call, that belongs to God alone.
Agreed but we can get a pretty good idea.
 

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There is agreement that there is danger but to outright call someone a non-Christian because of watching sinful behaviour is not his call, that belongs to God alone.

no one has done that -you've tried to imply that before .as if one of us has made that judgement
but as I have said before - judge yourself on these topics .. not others .

it is the word of god which states that a person who is continually practising sin -" does not know god ,nor has seen him ".

because a person who has come to know god and experienced his grace ..ceases from practising sin. Because they live in the spirit to obey the holy spirit ..and it is impossible to sin while obeying the holy Spirit for he is incorruptible .

( I understand that I do not portray what I'm saying in a manner that all will get and that is my failing and due to that failing some misconstrue what I say - but it remains that the word of god is true no matter how uncomfortable to us .

God does NOT desire any of us to continue in a cycle of failing to sin.when the truth is, he sent Jesus to set us free
and whom the son sets free is free indeed.
and once set free -we need not fear going back to serving sin again..all we need do, is walk in obedience ,henceforth, and we will not do anything which we unambiguously know to be sin.. and as we mature in christ we will not even do things which we discern as sinful in nature .. and as we mature more we will not even go near anything that we discern to have a sinful motive hidden in it because we will discern it in the holy Spirit and we will eschew evil .

if that sounds complicated let me simplify it

I used to watch lots of movies and tv .. then I stopped watching bad movies.. then I stopped watching bad tv .. then I stopped watching almost all movies then I stopped watching almost all tv ... then I stopped watching ANYTHING which did not directly glorify god and shun anything that I even suspect will not glorify God .. then I stopped watching ANYTHING that does not glorify god or that I even suspect will not glorify god .. - see the process ..as I listen and OBEY the holy Spirit he guides and leads us OUT of the world's things and he separates us from the world .. HOLY means separated unto God ..set aside , no longer mingled and mixed .. no longer clean and dirty water stirred together in a cloudy confusing world of grey -but a defines life where good is good and holy is holy and sin is eschewed in even an implied forms ..
This, one example, is a result of listening to and obeying the holy Spirit .. I recall in times past that I could not even perceive how such a life could be - yet here now I testify to you not of an ideal , but of the reality of what he lord is doing in my life .

and the result is as I no longer pursue the things the world tells us are just fine .. I found myself pursuing the will of god, and lay hands on the sick and see them healed because he commanded us to do so ,share the Gospel, drive out demons ..went from wondering how to do these things to actually doing these things ,have experienced baptising people and laying hands on them to receive the holy ghost and seen them speak in tongues and then seen them go and do the same things to others as disciples make more disciples .. it is the simple math of obedience . and none of it began to occur until I began walking in that obedience .. DO what the lord is telling each of us to do and stop sitting in church on a Sunday and doing nothing he has actually told us to do .

Are we saved if we continue in sin.? ABSOLUTELY NOT -for to whom we yeild our bodies as servants to obey -his servants we are to whom we obey .

and why should i ever yeild to the master of sin after JEsus has set me free - there is no power in the universe that can compell me beyond my own will to do so . for i am not under the law of sin and death .

obediecne is not on auto pilot .
 
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