The group in the Temple [Rev 11:1] Who are they?

[MoreCoffee]

Actually all ten are in the new...

Really? Where?

You asked and I need to know which one is missing?

I asked you where "all ten are in the new..." as you claimed. I said nothing about "one is missing" that is your statement not mine. So, where are "all ten" found in the new testament?

 

[visionary]

I asked you where "all ten are in the new..." as you claimed. I said nothing about "one is missing" that is your statement not mine. So, where are "all ten" found in the new testament?

Not in one spot if that is what you are asking. Someone else mentioned "one is missing" which I responded and then you with "really? where?"

 

[MoreCoffee]

Not in one spot if that is what you are asking. Someone else mentioned "one is missing" which I responded and then you with "really? where?"

How many places will you need to list all ten of the ten commandments being given to Christians as obligations? There are only ten commandments that are in the purview of this question.

 

[visionary]

How many places will you need to list all ten of the ten commandments being given to Christians as obligations? There are only ten commandments that are in the purview of this question.

First Commandment: You shall have no other gods before Me
Matthew 4:10; 6:24; 22:37-38; Luke 4:8; Revelation 14:7.

Second Commandment: Thou shalt not worship Idols
Acts 15:20; 17:16; 29; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:9; 10:7, 14, 19; 12:2; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Galatians 5:20; Ephesians 5:5; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15.

Third Commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain
Matthew 5:33-34; 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7.

Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy
Matthew 12:8, 12; 24:20; Mark 1:21; 2:27-28; 6:2; Luke 4:16, 31; 6:5; 23:56; Acts 13:14, 42, 44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:1-2; 18:4; Hebrews 4:4, 9-10 (See also Amplified, ASV, BBE, NASB, NIV, RSV and NRSV.)

Fifth Commandment: Honour your father and your mother
Matthew 15:4; 19:19; Mark 7:10; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:30; Ephesians 6:1-2; Colossians 3:20; 2 Timothy 3:2.

Sixth Commandment: Thou shalt not Murder
Matthew 5:21-22; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Galatians 5:21; 1 Timothy 1:9; James 2:11; 1 Peter 4:15; 1 John 3:15; Revelation 9:21; 21:8; 22:15.

Seventh Commandment: Thou shalt not commit Adultery
Matthew 5:27-28; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:11-12, 19; Luke 16:18; 18:20; Acts 21:25; Romans 1:29; 2:22; 7:3; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:11; 6:9, 18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Hebrews 13:4; James 2:11; 2 Peter 2:14; Jude 1:7; Revelation 2:14; 2:21-22; 9:21.

Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not Steal
Matthew 19:18; Mark 7:22; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 2:21; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Ephesians 4:28; 1 Peter 4:15; Revelation 9:21.

Ninth Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness
Matthew 15:19; 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 8:44; Acts 5:3-4; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Ephesians 4:25; Colossians 3:9; 1 Timothy 4:2; 2 Timothy 3:3; Revelation 21:8; 22:15.

Tenth Commandment: Thou shalt not Covet your neighbor's things
Mark 7:22; Luke 12:15; Acts 20:33; Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3, 5; 1 Timothy 6:10; 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 2:14; Hebrews 13:5.

 

[visionary]

First we need to know what the Bible definition of sin is. 1 John 3:4.
So where there is sin, there has to be a law. Romans 4:15.

Did Paul say we can sin now that we are under Grace which would therefore prove the law was abolished? Romans 6:1-2, Romans 6:14-15.
Paul demonstrated in Galatians chapters 2, 3 and 4 and Romans 3 that no flesh is justified by the law and that righteousness comes by FAITH. Does this therefore mean that the Ten Commandments are now made null and void because of FAITH? Romans 3:31.
So who is justified before God? Romans 2:13.

Did Yeshua say he came to do away with the law? Matthew 5:17.
Did Yeshua say He was going to change the law by even so much as a single letter? Matthew 5:18, Luke 16:17.
Did Yeshua say we have to teach the law as well as obey it? Matthew 5:19.
Does Yeshua say that those who practise lawlessness [break the Ten Commandments] will enter the kingdom? Matthew 7:21-23, 1 John 2:4.
So what does Yeshua say that one has to do to inherit eternal life? Matthew 19:16-19.

Can we keep just nine of the Ten Commandments? James 2:10-12, Matthew 5:18, Luke 16:17.
So what are the consequences for wilful sin [wilfully disobeying even ONE of the Ten Commandments? Hebrews 10:26-29, Ephesians 5:3, 5.
What are the blessings for not living in wilful sin, i.e., obeying the Ten Commandments in loving obedience? Revelation 22:14.
Solomon summed it up well with his final conclusion in Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

 

[MoreCoffee]

How many places will you need to list all ten of the ten commandments being given to Christians as obligations? There are only ten commandments that are in the purview of this question.

First Commandment: You shall have no other gods before Me
Matthew 4:10; 6:24; 22:37-38; Luke 4:8; Revelation 14:7.

Second Commandment: Thou shalt not worship Idols
Acts 15:20; 17:16; 29; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:9; 10:7, 14, 19; 12:2; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Galatians 5:20; Ephesians 5:5; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14; 9:20; 21:8; 22:15.

Third Commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain
Matthew 5:33-34; 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7.

Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it Holy
Matthew 12:8, 12; 24:20; Mark 1:21; 2:27-28; 6:2; Luke 4:16, 31; 6:5; 23:56; Acts 13:14, 42, 44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:1-2; 18:4; Hebrews 4:4, 9-10 (See also Amplified, ASV, BBE, NASB, NIV, RSV and NRSV.)

Fifth Commandment: Honour your father and your mother
Matthew 15:4; 19:19; Mark 7:10; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:30; Ephesians 6:1-2; Colossians 3:20; 2 Timothy 3:2.

Sixth Commandment: Thou shalt not Murder
Matthew 5:21-22; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Galatians 5:21; 1 Timothy 1:9; James 2:11; 1 Peter 4:15; 1 John 3:15; Revelation 9:21; 21:8; 22:15.

Seventh Commandment: Thou shalt not commit Adultery
Matthew 5:27-28; 19:18; Mark 7:21; 10:11-12, 19; Luke 16:18; 18:20; Acts 21:25; Romans 1:29; 2:22; 7:3; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:11; 6:9, 18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Hebrews 13:4; James 2:11; 2 Peter 2:14; Jude 1:7; Revelation 2:14; 2:21-22; 9:21.

Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not Steal
Matthew 19:18; Mark 7:22; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 2:21; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Ephesians 4:28; 1 Peter 4:15; Revelation 9:21.

Ninth Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness
Matthew 15:19; 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; John 8:44; Acts 5:3-4; Romans 1:29; 13:9; Ephesians 4:25; Colossians 3:9; 1 Timothy 4:2; 2 Timothy 3:3; Revelation 21:8; 22:15.

Tenth Commandment: Thou shalt not Covet your neighbor's things
Mark 7:22; Luke 12:15; Acts 20:33; Romans 1:29; 7:7; 13:9; 1 Corinthians 5:10-11; 6:10; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3, 5; 1 Timothy 6:10; 2 Timothy 3:2; 2 Peter 2:14; Hebrews 13:5.

Did you check the verses in your post?

It appears that you may have cut & pasted the "answer" from http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/ten_commandments-new_testament.html is that where you found the collection of verses?

 

[visionary]

yes, and which verses do you think do not fit?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Did you check the verses in your post?

It appears that you may have cut & pasted the "answer" from http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/ten_commandments-new_testament.html is that where you found the collection of verses?

yes, and which verses do you think do not fit?

You haven't answered my question. Did you cut & paste from the site I mentioned or from another site with the same sort of content?

 

[visionary]

Yes and what did you think?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes and what did you think?

Of the site that you cut & pasted from? It appears to be a site dedicated to many heresies. Why did you quote from it?

 

[visionary]

Of the cite that you cut & pasted from? It appears to be a site dedicated to many heresies. Why did you quote from it?

I quoted the quickest because there is lots of evidence of Yeshua and Paul enlightening the believers in the halacha of OT Law of God. what I do not find is any missing TEN Commandments.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I quoted the quickest because there is lots of evidence of Yeshua and Paul enlightening the believers in the halacha of OT Law of God. what I do not find is any missing TEN Commandments.

Does that mean you do not check the sources you use before you use them or does it mean that you use sources that are heretical because they contain something that suits your immediate needs/desires in an argument?

 

[visionary]

Does that mean you do not check the sources you use before you use them or does it mean that you use sources that are heretical because they contain something that suits your immediate needs/desires in an argument?

Sources are heretical to whom... and what was used that shows that? Finding fault with the messenger is the oldest method of redirect when you can not deal with the message.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sources are heretical to whom... and what was used that shows that? Finding fault with the messenger is the oldest method of redirect when you can not deal with the message.

My first concern was the message which I pointed out as not entirely relevant to the matter under discussion and not entirely honest with the passages included. You evidently did not check the references in the site before you posted them here as "proof" of your claims. You didn't credit the site with authorship either. So after that I pointed out that the source was a web site and when you agreed that was where you got the material then I pointed out that the site contains many heresies - not least being the heresies included in the way the holy scriptures are misused in the material that you cut & pasted.

 

[visionary]

My first concern was the message which I pointed out as not entirely relevant to the matter under discussion and not entirely honest with the passages included. You evidently did not check the references in the site before you posted them here as "proof" of your claims. You didn't credit the site with authorship either. So after that I pointed out that the source was a web site and when you agreed that was where you got the material then I pointed out that the site contains many heresies - not least being the heresies included in the way the holy scriptures are misused in the material that you cut & pasted.

ok .. here is other sites.. which says the same thing.. all ten laws are still valid and found in the NT. http://www.truthontheweb.org/nt10com.htm
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/ten_commandments-new_testament.html
http://www.firstchurchoftheinternet.org/questions/p24a.htm
https://rcg.org/articles/dtnttatc.html
http://www.godsholyspirit.com/christian_desk/commandments_nt.htm

 

[MoreCoffee]

ok .. here is other sites.. which says the same thing.. all ten laws are still valid and found in the NT. http://www.truthontheweb.org/nt10com.htm
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/ten_commandments-new_testament.html
http://www.firstchurchoftheinternet.org/questions/p24a.htm
https://rcg.org/articles/dtnttatc.html
http://www.godsholyspirit.com/christian_desk/commandments_nt.htm

I am shocked at how bad those sites are. And you seem to be happy to quote them. Amazing.

 

[visionary]

I am shocked at how bad those sites are. And you seem to be happy to quote them. Amazing.

You just don't like the fact that there are scriptures of all TEN commandments in the NT..

 

[MoreCoffee]

You just don't like the fact that there are scriptures of all TEN commandments in the NT..

There most assuredly are not passages commanding the faithful in Christ to obedience to the ten commandments as an obligation of their life in Christ. That is not to say that Christians disregard the ten commandments or despise them.

 

[visionary]

There most assuredly are not passages commanding the faithful in Christ to obedience to the ten commandments as an obligation of their life in Christ. That is not to say that Christians disregard the ten commandments or despise them.

These precepts of the Gospel practically consist of the Decalogue, or Ten Commandments, of the Old Law, interpreted in the sense of the New. http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4463

 

[MoreCoffee]

These precepts of the Gospel practically consist of the Decalogue, or Ten Commandments, of the Old Law, interpreted in the sense of the New. http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4463

Are you arguing that Catholics worship on Saturday instead of Sunday now? Surely you know very well that the Catholic Church sets aside Sunday as the day for worship and commemoration of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ thus every Sunday throughout the year is a feast day because it is a celebration of the resurrection of the Lord? Obviously - given that the ten commandments stipulate a seventh day observance for the Sabbath - you cannot be attempting to claim that the Catholic Church teaches the doctrine that you are advocating.