are you a lurker or stalker and what's the diff?

[TurtleHare]

I can't say what would happen. Plus, it would be internal anyway. However, the thread and account in question happened before the software change, and we cannot track down who started the account. I was very interested in finding out because if true, I wanted it dealt with.

Out of curiosity what kind of action happens internally to bad staff?

 

[Josiah]

Oh, Christian Forums.....



Oh, I've dealt with SO much wrong, gross injustice, hate from senior staffers at CF over the 10 years or so, the tens of thousands of posts I had there..... And (perhaps because of my youth at the time), I had a LOT of pain as a result of the gross mistreatment.


1. After 3 staffers twisted my arm to come on staff (over 10 years ago), I applied. Then the whole staff had to vote for applicants. I was accepted, 23 to 0. Even though, I was "known" (in those days) as one who was struggling with Catholicism (I was still officially Catholic I think at that point) and with Mormonism (which I was studying at that point) and had a reputation for saying what was in my heart... for frankness and honesty. 23 to Zero. Because I got associated with some powerbrokers (unfortunately), I rocketed and within a few weeks was one of the few supervisors and participating in a lot of decisions, STRONGLY passionate about keeping CF an open, respectful community of bridges.... encouraging discussion. All new staffers had an official mentor, and mine was very active, strongly encouraging me, supporting me, telling me constantly what a great staffer I was and how helpful I was. Being stupid, I often worked TWENTY hours a week or more just on staffing stuff, often doing things others didn't want to do. Training, cleaning up, dealing with staffers who didn't play well together, etc. Then..... one day out of the blue..... I got fired. NOT by my Admin (who was FURIOUS that he had been circumvented and all protocol violated) but directly by the Executive Committee - the letter coming from MY MENTOR (who 2 weeks earlier said I was one of the best staffers at CF and if I had any problems, let him know). Reasons? He gave none.... said he didn't need any.... and told me to "take it like a man." I protested the COMPLETE, total violation of all protocol and demanded to at least know WHY. I was finally given 3 reasons..... one of which was an outright lie (which I noted as such), one was an issue I appealed AND WON, the other was simply a misunderstanding on my part for which I had PUBLICLY apologized and PUBLICALLY been forgiven for. It didn't matter. My mentor's reply for the Exec Committee, "you're not taking this like a man..... shut up, stop making waves or I'll issue a permanent ban on you." BTW, the firing was issued as a PERMANENT ban on me ever being on staff there, which is why I never could return to staff. BTW, years later, another member of that Exec Committee told me that I was "a sacrificial lamb" and was "________" because I was considered "disposable" and that my firing "satisfied some." He noted MANY higher than me got fired over the years also for doing nothing other than being among the best staffers at CF who "happen to be on the losing side of the war" at that moment. He told me, too, my mentor was "not happy" being told to fire me. But since then.... in the years since then..... those high up have been on my case.


2. Another of the MANY, MANY, MANY examples I could give. One day.... out of the blue..... an Advisor (one I had once helped out a lot when she was brand new) wrote me a PM informing me that while my record was clean (no warnings, no infractions), she was nonetheless issuing me a FSB (which didn't exist at that point) for one year. She stated she would not tell me why, and I was forbidden to ask why. And I was forbidden to tell any staffers or the owner about this and if I appealed it, she would permanently ban me. I had to keep this a secret for one year.... THEN she'd discuss all this and tell me why. Again..... I had NO warnings or infractions on my record. So, for one year - I essentially left CF. When the year was up, I wrote her, asking her to do as she pledged: to tell me WHY she issued that secret FSB and treated me as she did, and to "discuss" this. But she refused. She made the ban permanent and said she would NOT discuss it, she would NOT tell me why, I could NOT appeal it, I had to keep it a secret. I did not agree to that (theorizing she'd probably just permanently me - but she did not). That ban is still in place..... and there is still the insistence that as an Admin, she is above the rules, that there's no need to follow protocol, that her power is unmitigated, and I have to take it and shut up (at least I didn't get the "take it like a man" spell).


3. Just one more of the MANY, MANY examples I have. An Advisor (and one who had been a friend) STRESSED to me that now at CF, anything posted that one COULD CHOOSE to be offended by was now cause for an immediate ban - even if there was no violation of the rules. A couple of days later, he PUBLICLY (in a post).... BY NAME (specifically "CaliforniaJosiah")..... stated I was mentally ill. That's what he publically posted, I was "mentally ill" (he even labeled me with a specific mental illness). PUBICLY. BY NAME. But.... I soon learned..... it was all okay. HE could do this.... but if any poster said something NOT violating the rules.... but a reader CHOOSES to feel offended by it.... that poster gets an automatic two day ban. Just not Advisors. Over and over and over, for 10+ years, it has been STRESSED as an on-going montra, that senior staffers are all--powerful, can do whatever they want - even it seems PUBLICLY and BY NAME accuse posters of being "mentally ill." THAT gets no immediate two day ban because.....


I could go on and on and on and on...... SO many examples over the years. I have some stronger than the above that I can't share. There is a 'tude in the upper staff (well, among some) that is ugly and abusive. And the part that keeps pestering me is that generally, these are good people, people who once were considered friends, people with whom I've often worked and who often agree with me. There are issues at the top that are a mystery to me.... that seem to pollute good people. I've witnessed this in institutions.... but never more than at CF. I think it has greatly harmed CF and its ministry, and I know there are MANY, MANY, MANY good people who - one way or the other - have been booted out of CF. Sad to see.


I occasionally peak over there (lots of respected friends there)... but I confess.... EACH TIME, there is this sick, hurt feeling that returns to my heart. No hyperboli..... it hurts when I'm there. And that's why I'll never return. I've just been HURT so often, so badly.... not by posters, not my mods, but by Advisors and Admins - often by people I THOUGHT were friends, by people I respected. Over and over. The Judas kiss. And this I say with great personal embarrassment.... I kept coming back for more. I've learned my lesson.



- Josiah




.

 

[Hammster]

Out of curiosity what kind of action happens internally to bad staff?

It depends. It could just be counseling. It could be a formal Letter of Correction. It could be termination.

 

[Hammster]

Oh, Christian Forums.....



Oh, I've dealt with SO much wrong, gross injustice, hate from senior staffers at CF over the 10 years or so, the tens of thousands of posts I had there..... And (perhaps because of my youth at the time), I had a LOT of pain as a result of the gross mistreatment.


1. After 3 staffers twisted my arm to come on staff (over 10 years ago), I applied. Then the whole staff had to vote for applicants. I was accepted, 23 to 0. Even though, I was "known" (in those days) as one who was struggling with Catholicism (I was still officially Catholic I think at that point) and with Mormonism (which I was studying at that point) and had a reputation for saying what was in my heart... for frankness and honesty. 23 to Zero. Because I got associated with some powerbrokers (unfortunately), I rocketed and within a few weeks was one of the few supervisors and participating in a lot of decisions, STRONGLY passionate about keeping CF an open, respectful community of bridges.... encouraging discussion. All new staffers had an official mentor, and mine was very active, strongly encouraging me, supporting me, telling me constantly what a great staffer I was and how helpful I was. Being stupid, I often worked TWENTY hours a week or more just on staffing stuff, often doing things others didn't want to do. Training, cleaning up, dealing with staffers who didn't play well together, etc. Then..... one day out of the blue..... I got fired. NOT by my Admin (who was FURIOUS that he had been circumvented and all protocol violated) but directly by the Executive Committee - the letter coming from MY MENTOR (who 2 weeks earlier said I was one of the best staffers at CF and if I had any problems, let him know). Reasons? He gave none.... said he didn't need any.... and told me to "take it like a man." I protested the COMPLETE, total violation of all protocol and demanded to at least know WHY. I was finally given 3 reasons..... one of which was an outright lie (which I noted as such), one was an issue I appealed AND WON, the other was simply a misunderstanding on my part for which I had PUBLICLY apologized and PUBLICALLY been forgiven for. It didn't matter. My mentor's reply for the Exec Committee, "you're not taking this like a man..... shut up, stop making waves or I'll issue a permanent ban on you." BTW, the firing was issued as a PERMANENT ban on me ever being on staff there, which is why I never could return to staff. BTW, years later, another member of that Exec Committee told me that I was "a sacrificial lamb" and was "________" because I was considered "disposable" and that my firing "satisfied some." He noted MANY higher than me got fired over the years also for doing nothing other than being among the best staffers at CF who "happen to be on the losing side of the war" at that moment. He told me, too, my mentor was "not happy" being told to fire me. But since then.... in the years since then..... those high up have been on my case.


2. Another of the MANY, MANY, MANY examples I could give. One day.... out of the blue..... an Advisor (one I had once helped out a lot when she was brand new) wrote me a PM informing me that while my record was clean (no warnings, no infractions), she was nonetheless issuing me a FSB (which didn't exist at that point) for one year. She stated she would not tell me why, and I was forbidden to ask why. And I was forbidden to tell any staffers or the owner about this and if I appealed it, she would permanently ban me. I had to keep this a secret for one year.... THEN she'd discuss all this and tell me why. Again..... I had NO warnings or infractions on my record. So, for one year - I essentially left CF. When the year was up, I wrote her, asking her to do as she pledged: to tell me WHY she issued that secret FSB and treated me as she did, and to "discuss" this. But she refused. She made the ban permanent and said she would NOT discuss it, she would NOT tell me why, I could NOT appeal it, I had to keep it a secret. I did not agree to that (theorizing she'd probably just permanently me - but she did not). That ban is still in place..... and there is still the insistence that as an Admin, she is above the rules, that there's no need to follow protocol, that her power is unmitigated, and I have to take it and shut up (at least I didn't get the "take it like a man" spell).


I could go on and on and on and on...... There is a 'tude in the upper staff that is ugly and abusive. And the part that keeps pestering me is that generally, these are good people, people who once were considered friends, people with whom I've often worked and who often agree with me. There are issues at the top that are a mystery to me.... that seem to pollute good people. I've witnessed this in institutions.... but never more than at CF. I think it has greatly harmed CF and its ministry, and I know there are MANY, MANY, MANY good people who - one way or the other - have been booted out of CF. Sad to see.

I occasionally peak over there (lots of respected friends there)... but I confess.... EACH TIME, there is this sick, hurt feeling that returns to my heart. No hyperboli..... it hurts when I'm there. And that's why I'll never return. I've just been HURT so often, so badly.... not by posters, not my mods, but by Advisors and Admins - often by people I THOUGHT were friends, by people I respected. Over and over.



- Josiah




.

While I'm sure this is true, everything concerning staff has changed. So this really amounts to nothing more than "back in my day".

 

[Josiah]

Oh, Christian Forums.....



Oh, I've dealt with SO much wrong, gross injustice, hate from senior staffers at CF over the 10 years or so, the tens of thousands of posts I had there..... And (perhaps because of my youth at the time), I had a LOT of pain as a result of the gross mistreatment.


1. After 3 staffers twisted my arm to come on staff (over 10 years ago), I applied. Then the whole staff had to vote for applicants. I was accepted, 23 to 0. Even though, I was "known" (in those days) as one who was struggling with Catholicism (I was still officially Catholic I think at that point) and with Mormonism (which I was studying at that point) and had a reputation for saying what was in my heart... for frankness and honesty. 23 to Zero. Because I got associated with some powerbrokers (unfortunately), I rocketed and within a few weeks was one of the few supervisors and participating in a lot of decisions, STRONGLY passionate about keeping CF an open, respectful community of bridges.... encouraging discussion. All new staffers had an official mentor, and mine was very active, strongly encouraging me, supporting me, telling me constantly what a great staffer I was and how helpful I was. Being stupid, I often worked TWENTY hours a week or more just on staffing stuff, often doing things others didn't want to do. Training, cleaning up, dealing with staffers who didn't play well together, etc. Then..... one day out of the blue..... I got fired. NOT by my Admin (who was FURIOUS that he had been circumvented and all protocol violated) but directly by the Executive Committee - the letter coming from MY MENTOR (who 2 weeks earlier said I was one of the best staffers at CF and if I had any problems, let him know). Reasons? He gave none.... said he didn't need any.... and told me to "take it like a man." I protested the COMPLETE, total violation of all protocol and demanded to at least know WHY. I was finally given 3 reasons..... one of which was an outright lie (which I noted as such), one was an issue I appealed AND WON, the other was simply a misunderstanding on my part for which I had PUBLICLY apologized and PUBLICALLY been forgiven for. It didn't matter. My mentor's reply for the Exec Committee, "you're not taking this like a man..... shut up, stop making waves or I'll issue a permanent ban on you." BTW, the firing was issued as a PERMANENT ban on me ever being on staff there, which is why I never could return to staff. BTW, years later, another member of that Exec Committee told me that I was "a sacrificial lamb" and was "________" because I was considered "disposable" and that my firing "satisfied some." He noted MANY higher than me got fired over the years also for doing nothing other than being among the best staffers at CF who "happen to be on the losing side of the war" at that moment. He told me, too, my mentor was "not happy" being told to fire me. But since then.... in the years since then..... those high up have been on my case.


2. Another of the MANY, MANY, MANY examples I could give. One day.... out of the blue..... an Advisor (one I had once helped out a lot when she was brand new) wrote me a PM
informing me that while my record was clean (no warnings, no infractions), she was nonetheless issuing me a FSB (which didn't exist at that point) for one year. She stated she would not tell me why, and I was forbidden to ask why. And I was forbidden to tell any staffers or the owner about this and if I appealed it, she would permanently ban me. I had to keep this a secret for one year.... THEN she'd discuss all this and tell me why. Again..... I had NO warnings or infractions on my record. So, for one year - I essentially left CF. When the year was up, I wrote her, asking her to do as she pledged: to tell me WHY she issued that secret FSB and treated me as she did, and to "discuss" this. But she refused. She made the ban permanent and said she would NOT discuss it, she would NOT tell me why, I could NOT appeal it, I had to keep it a secret. I did not agree to that (theorizing she'd probably just permanently me - but she did not). That ban is still in place..... and there is still the insistence that as an Admin, she is above the rules, that there's no need to follow protocol, that her power is unmitigated, and I have to take it and shut up (at least I didn't get the "take it like a man" spell).


3. Just one more of the MANY, MANY examples I have. An Advisor (and one who had been a friend) STRESSED to me that now at CF, anything posted that one COULD CHOOSE to be offended by was now cause for an immediate ban - even if there was no violation of the rules. A couple of days later, he PUBLICLY (in a post).... BY NAME (specifically "CaliforniaJosiah")..... stated I was mentally ill. That's what he publically posted, I was "mentally ill" (he even labeled me with a specific mental illness). PUBICLY. BY NAME. But.... I soon learned..... it was all okay. HE could do this.... but if any poster said something NOT violating the rules.... but a reader CHOOSES to feel offended by it.... that poster gets an automatic two day ban. Just not Advisors. Over and over and over, for 10+ years, it has been STRESSED as an on-going montra, that senior staffers are all--powerful, can do whatever they want - even it seems PUBLICLY and BY NAME accuse posters of being "mentally ill." THAT gets no immediate two day ban because.....


I could go on and on and on and on...... SO many examples over the years. I have some stronger than the above that I can't share. There is a 'tude in the upper staff (well, among some) that is ugly and abusive. And the part that keeps pestering me is that generally, these are good people, people who once were considered friends, people with whom I've often worked and who often agree with me. There are issues at the top that are a mystery to me.... that seem to pollute good people. I've witnessed this in institutions.... but never more than at CF. I think it has greatly harmed CF and its ministry, and I know there are MANY, MANY, MANY good people who - one way or the other - have been booted out of CF. Sad to see.


I occasionally peak over there (lots of respected friends there)... but I confess.... EACH TIME, there is this sick, hurt feeling that returns to my heart. No hyperboli..... it hurts when I'm there. And that's why I'll never return. I've just been HURT so often, so badly.... not by posters, not my mods, but by Advisors and Admins - often by people I THOUGHT were friends, by people I respected. Over and over. The Judas kiss. And this I say with great personal embarrassment.... I kept coming back for more. I've learned my lesson.



- Josiah




.

While I'm sure this is true, everything concerning staff has changed. So this really amounts to nothing more than "back in my day".

The last example I gave was just a few weeks ago.... Another less than 2 years ago....


I know you are now on upper staff. But then nearly all who perpetuated the injustice, hate and pain there were on my "friends" list, most people who had made quite a point of appreciating and affirming me one minute and then..... I think it's often known as "the Judas' Kiss". Part of why the pain comes back so strong when I peek over there..... Even as I posted this here..... my tummy gets upset all over again. Nowhere have I been treated so horribly... but then I'm still pretty young, lol. I AM working at putting it behind me....


Lord, have mercy.




.

 

[psalms 91]

I dont peak anymore, I dont miss it, I do miss the days of Erwin except for the last year or so. He was being torn apart in so many directions that nothing really got dne right

 

[Hammster]

The last example I gave was just a few weeks ago.... Another less than 2 years ago....


I know you are now on upper staff. But then nearly all who perpetuated the injustice, hate and pain there were on my "friends" list, all people who had made quite a point of appreciating and affirming me one minute and then..... I think it's often known as "the Judas' Kiss". Part of why the pain comes back so strong when I peek over there..... Even as I posted this here..... my tummy gets upset all over again. Nowhere have I been treated so horribly... but then I'm still pretty young, lol. I AM working at putting it behind me....


Lord, have mercy.




.

Which last example? The FSB?

 

[Josiah]

... snip.....

3. Just one more of the MANY, MANY examples I have. An Advisor (and one who had been a friend) STRESSED to me that now at CF, anything posted that one COULD CHOOSE to be offended by was now cause for an immediate ban - even if there was no violation of the rules. A couple of days later, he PUBLICLY (in a post).... BY NAME (specifically "CaliforniaJosiah")..... stated I was mentally ill. That's what he publically posted, I was "mentally ill" (he even labeled me with a specific mental illness). PUBICLY. BY NAME. But.... I soon learned..... it was all okay. HE could do this.... but if any poster said something NOT violating the rules.... but a reader CHOOSES to feel offended by it.... that poster gets an automatic two day ban. Just not Advisors. Over and over and over, for 10+ years, it has been STRESSED as an on-going montra, that senior staffers are all--powerful, can do whatever they want - even it seems PUBLICLY and BY NAME accuse posters of being "mentally ill." THAT gets no immediate two day ban because.....


I could go on and on and on and on...... SO many examples over the years. I have some stronger than the above that I can't share. There is a 'tude in the upper staff (well, among some) that is ugly and abusive. And the part that keeps pestering me is that generally, these are good people, people who once were considered friends, people with whom I've often worked and who often agree with me. There are issues at the top that are a mystery to me.... that seem to pollute good people. I've witnessed this in institutions.... but never more than at CF. I think it has greatly harmed CF and its ministry, and I know there are MANY, MANY, MANY good people who - one way or the other - have been booted out of CF. Sad to see.


I occasionally peak over there (lots of respected friends there)... but I confess.... EACH TIME, there is this sick, hurt feeling that returns to my heart. No hyperboli..... it hurts when I'm there. And that's why I'll never return. I've just been HURT so often, so badly.... not by posters, not my mods, but by Advisors and Admins - often by people I THOUGHT were friends, by people I respected. Over and over. The Judas kiss. And this I say with great personal embarrassment.... I kept coming back for more. I've learned my lesson.

Look, you and I have been "friends" for years. And I know you are among the upper staff now. And I appreciate what I think you are trying to do here. But.... like HUNDREDS of others of posters who have been pushed out of CF over the years (some of whom are here at CH now).... there has been SO much injustice, persecution, wrong.... and there is just so much hurt.... I mean, friend, NOW, writing to you, my tunny is flip flopping, there is that old ache in my heart..... The Judas' Kiss..... the gross mistreatment and injustice.... my embarrassment in how I kept going back for more.... the stabs in the back..... friend... respectfully.... it just hurts.

It is impossible for me to count the MANY, MANY great people and staffers I recall.... some were really helpful to me.... some helped my exit from Catholicism and some helped me find Reformation Protestantism.... and now they are gone (well, 99.9% of them), pushed out (or just fired or banned).... on very rare occasion I run into one, but nearly all were so burned at CF that they aren't active on the net anywhere anymore. Then some CF staffer will post over there, "Where is everyone?" Makes me laugh.... through the tears.

For the past 12 years or so, CF has ALWAYS.... PERPETUALLY.... claimed that it was reforming, "things are different now!" Why, even when Erwin owned things, these "Reforms" seemed like a monthly thing - but nothing changed, in fact in those days, it just go a lot worse each time. I've long, long ago lost count of the times some staffer has told me, "Hey, it's all different now... we've been reformed!" And (here's what really embarrasses me, cuz I'm really NOT a stupid guy) I'll very, very, very carefully "return" in sorts only to be hurt again.... When will I learn? When will I learn? Theres' something in the DNA there..... I've not been in the "inner circle" there for a LONG time (and I wasn't in such long enough at the time) to figure this out, but ....

Friend, all this just hurts too much. I'm done with this discussion; I can't continue.





.

 

[Hammster]

... snip.....





Look, you and I have been "friends" for years. And I know you are among the upper staff now. And I appreciate what I think you are trying to do here. But.... like HUNDREDS of others of posters who have been pushed out of CF over the years (some of whom are here at CH now).... there has been SO much injustice, persecution, wrong.... and there is just so much hurt.... I mean, friend, NOW, writing to you, my tunny is flip flopping, there is that old ache in my heart..... The Judas' Kiss..... the gross mistreatment and injustice.... my embarrassment in how I kept going back for more.... the stabs in the back..... friend... respectfully.... it just hurts.

It is impossible for me to count the MANY, MANY great people and staffers I recall.... some were really helpful to me.... some helped my exit from Catholicism and some helped me find Reformation Protestantism.... and now they are gone (well, 99.9% of them), pushed out (or just fired or banned).... on very rare occasion I run into one, but nearly all were so burned at CF that they aren't active on the net anywhere anymore. Then some CF staffer will post over there, "Where is everyone?" Makes me laugh.... through the tears.

For the past 12 years or so, CF has ALWAYS.... PERPETUALLY.... claimed that it was reforming. Why, even when Erwin owned things, these "Reforms" seemed like a monthly thing - but nothing changed, in fact in those days, it just go a lot worse each time. I've long, long ago lost count of the times some staffer has told me, "Hey, it's all different now... we've been reformed!" And (here's what really embarrasses me, cuz I'm really NOT a stupid guy) I'll very, very, very carefully "return" in sorts only to be hurt again.... When will I learn? When will I learn? Theres' something in the DNA there..... I've not been in the "inner circle" there for a LONG time (and I wasn't in such long enough at the time) to figure this out, but ....

Friend, all this just hurts too much. I've done.



.

My concern is that usually if someone has abused their authority once, they have done it before and will do it again. That's not cool. So I'd appreciate it if you could send me a PM with who said what. I might not be able to do anything. But I'd sure like to try.

 

[Lamb]

I'm not sure what to say about this all. Perhaps some of this should be continued privately?

Back to stalking! Who wants to go stalking with me this weekend? We can float around to other peoples' Facebook pages. Show of hands? LOL

 

[Alithis]

I'm not sure what to say about this all. Perhaps some of this should be continued privately?

Back to stalking! Who wants to go stalking with me this weekend? We can float around to other peoples' Facebook pages. Show of hands? LOL

:crazy:

 

[Alithis]

in regard to this thread..
after a thorough and deep analysis (as if !)

i have managed to summarize its topical content that those visiting the forum may read in order to be more fully informed on the matters raised therein .

it goe,s like this -= HE SAID, THAT YOU SAID, THAT I SAID ,THAT YOU SAID, THAT SHE SAID, THAT I SAID ,THAT THEY SAID ,THAT WE SAID ,WHAT SHE SAID .WHEN REALLY, I SAID ,WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT WHAT HE SAID, THAT SHE SAID THAT THEY DID WHEN I DID WHAT SHE SAID YOU SAID HE DID ...

THERE - i hope this has clarified the situation to every ones satisfaction

 

[TurtleHare]

It depends. It could just be counseling. It could be a formal Letter of Correction. It could be termination.

I was hoping for a good old-fashioned lynching. :smirk:

 

[psalms 91]

personally I would think it would involve the authorites

 

[Hammster]

personally I would think it would involve the authorites

For a staff issue? Wow. That's harsh.

 

[TurtleHare]

I love how my solution must not have appeared too harsh to receive a response hehe

I have learned from my thread that it's not the stalkers or lurkers we should be afraid of but from rogue staff members who abuse their power and those are the true threats in our lives.

 

[Hammster]

I love how my solution must not have appeared too harsh to receive a response hehe

I have learned from my thread that it's not the stalkers or lurkers we should be afraid of but from rogue staff members who abuse their power and those are the true threats in our lives.

Not really. While there have been abuses, mostly they are exaggerated by frequent violators of the rules. You'll see that if the place gets big enough.

 

[psalms 91]

For a staff issue? Wow. That's harsh.

For a death threat I dont think so, if it had been me I would have insisted on it.

 

[Rens]

hahah Then I'm going to go through your old Facebook posts today

Just kidding. I gotta go to work. Tomorrow maybe? Kidding again!

Lol I did that with a new collegue I liked. I wanted to know if he was a christian because I had a crush on him. So he had all this fantastic christian stuff on his Facebook, great music and preachings and I read everything, also some personal stuff was on it and then liked a post from a year back and sent him a message. No response. Oooooh. Removed that like later. Then months later he responded. He had never seen the message. Talked for a few days and then I drunk texted him, well half a glass gave me enough courage since I never drink, that I liked him hahahahahahaha. I'd call it stalking, not lurking. Oh my and now I still have to work with him and act as if nothing is the matter. He was friendly. He said it didn't matter LOL.

 

[Stravinsk]

The suspected person is probably scared enough. I gave her a chance to apologize in private, and she didn't take it(MSC, talking to another Admin there, waiting for her). She must know I post here, and even if she used a sock, she could pm me with some sort of token on her FB to show it was her.

I understand staff puts up with a lot - and I've certainly had my moments over at the other place with things I've said in MSC area. I don't know what prompted her to do that, but it was unwise - because I do know who she is in life and what she does for a living. Call that "stalking", but when someone makes a threat like that, especially in the way it was made, it gives me extra incentive to find out who.

By contrast, someone (another person) once said I was threatening her in public because in the heat of the moment I said something to effect of "taking things to the Next-Step". Sounds threatening, right? Enough to have some whiteknights going on and on and on and OOOOOONNNNN about it for years now. And I've been living with the consequences of that for a long time. But do you know that there is an account on the other board called "NextStep" ? An account visited by said person who I am supposed to have threatened with this statement? I suspected a sock, and that was my threat - more socks - nothing more. I made good on that, I think....lol.

And of course this is webarchived as well. Not angry over it anymore - but the truth's gotta come out some time, right? rivateeye: