God gave the feasts to Israel not to Christians under the new covenant.

[Stravinsk]

Yes, "do this" refers to the one and only holy feast of the Lord in which the faithful remember and participation in his holy supper and in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world by whose blood the new covenant is established. "This" is no old covenant feast, no bitter herbs are served at it.

Do your eyes twitch and flash off the page when the text says they were celebrating passover or that it was at the same time as the feast of unleavened? It's the same feast.

 

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Do your eyes twitch and flash off the page when the text says they were celebrating passover or that it was at the same time as the feast of unleavened? It's the same feast.

No. And the faithful are not celebrating the feasts of the old covenant. Where in the new covenant scriptures is there a command to keep passover and any of the other feasts of the old covenant?

 

[Stravinsk]

No. And the faithful are not celebrating the feasts of the old covenant. Where in the new covenant scriptures is there a command to keep passover and any of the other feasts of the old covenant?

I'm not aware of any, just like I am not aware of anything in the teachings of Yeshua that it would cease.

Then we have the Zechariah passage, which is part of the Cannon that Yeshua confirmed - which indicates what you call an "old covenant" feast being celebrated in the future.

There is also, of course, the example of Yeshua.

 

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I'm not aware of any, just like I am not aware of anything in the teachings of Yeshua that it would cease.

Then we have the Zechariah passage, which is part of the Cannon that Yeshua confirmed - which indicates what you call an "old covenant" feast being celebrated in the future.

There is also, of course, the example of Yeshua.

How do you celebrate the passover when you sacrifice no lamb and eat no lamb with bitter herbs?

 

[Stravinsk]

How do you celebrate the passover when you sacrifice no lamb and eat no lamb with bitter herbs?

Well, the sacrifice is already taken care of. Hence "do this in remembrance of me". Were the disciples eating lamb? From memory they were eating bread and drinking wine which Yeshua was His body and blood. You know, Yeshua - the lamb of God.

Anyway, this is all a clue that the prohibition against eating animals sacrificed to idols is still in effect, despite Saul/Paul saying it doesn't matter and is just a matter of conscience.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, the sacrifice is already taken care of. Hence "do this in remembrance of me". Were the disciples eating lamb? From memory they were eating bread and drinking wine which Yeshua was His body and blood. You know, Yeshua - the lamb of God.

Anyway, this is all a clue that the prohibition against eating animals sacrificed to idols is still in effect, despite Saul/Paul saying it doesn't matter and is just a matter of conscience.

Okay, You're not keeping the feast.

 

[Stravinsk]

Okay, You're not keeping the feast.

So then, by that logic, neither were Yeshua and the disciples. It's gotta be tough for you, holding all these contradictory views at the same time.

 

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So then, by that logic, neither were Yeshua and the disciples. It's gotta be tough for you, holding all these contradictory views at the same time.

The point is that no one today keeps the feasts because they cannot make the sacrifices they cannot enlist a priest of the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings that Jehovah commanded and you do no honour to anybody by accusing the Lord Jesus Christ in an attempt to cover the deceit in the claim that people today are keeping the feasts according to the commandments of Jehovah.

Take a look at what is commanded for observing the feasts.

Passover:

Now Jehovah spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.'" (Exodus 12:1-6)​

No one does this. No one takes a lamb and kills it. It's just a pretence when people say that they keep this feast according to the commandments.
First Fruits:

And Jehovah said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest; and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, that you may find acceptance; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:9-12)​

No one does this. No one seeks out a priest of the tribe of Levi and the house of Aaron to wave the first fruits of their farm's harvest before Jehovah in his tabernacle. No one sacrifices a lamb. It's all a fake when people claim to be keeping this feast.
Pentecost:

"And you shall count from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven full weeks shall they be, counting fifty days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a cereal offering of new grain to Jehovah. You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to Jehovah. And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one young bull, and two rams; they shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their cereal offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire, a pleasing odour to Jehovah. And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits as a wave offering before Jehovah, with the two lambs; they shall be holy to Jehovah for the priest. And you shall make proclamation on the same day; you shall hold a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work: it is a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. "And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field to its very border, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest; you shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am Jehovah your God." (Leviticus 23:15-22)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the seven lambs, one bull, two rams, a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Pentecost. It's all a pretence.
Trumpets:

"On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, a pleasing odour to Jehovah: one young bull, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their cereal offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you; besides the burnt offering of the new moon, and its cereal offering, and the continual burnt offering and its cereal offering, and their drink offering, according to the ordinance for them, a pleasing odour, an offering by fire to Jehovah. (Numbers 29:1-6)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the one bull, one ram, seven male lambs, and a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Trumpets. It's all a pretence. Sheer mummery. Flim flam. Smoke and mirrors.

The same is true of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. No one keeps them. No one makes the offerings required. No one enlists a priest from the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings. It is all pretend. A sham. none of it is according to the commands of Jehovah none of it accords with the feasts as commanded by Jehovah. It is fake. It is false. It is a deception.

 

[Stravinsk]

Same response as in the thread you just made.

Your own argument, by definition, must deny that Yeshua and His disciples celebrated the passover, for starters. If you refuse to allow for symbolism, that's what you get.

 

[MoreCoffee]

... Your own argument, by definition, must deny that Yeshua and His disciples celebrated the passover, for starters. If you refuse to allow for symbolism, that's what you get.

No I make no such denial and you produce no evidence to back you accusation against the Lord. Your claim will be ignored until you produce credible verifiable evidence to back it.

 

[psalms 91]

The point is that no one today keeps the feasts because they cannot make the sacrifices they cannot enlist a priest of the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings that Jehovah commanded and you do not honour to anybody by accusing the Lord Jesus Christ in an attempt to cover the deceit in the claim that people today are keeping the feasts according to the commandments of Jehovah.

Take a look at what is commanded for observing the feasts.

Passover:

Now Jehovah spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.'" (Exodus 12:1-6)​

No one does this. No one takes a lamb and kills it. It's just a pretence when people say that they keep this feast according to the commandments.
First Fruits:

And Jehovah said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest; and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, that you may find acceptance; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:9-12)​

No one does this. No one seeks out a priest of the tribe of Levi and the house of Aaron to wave the first fruits of their farm's harvest before Jehovah in his tabernacle. No one sacrifices a lamb. It's all a fake when people claim to be keeping this feast.
Pentecost:

"And you shall count from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven full weeks shall they be, counting fifty days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a cereal offering of new grain to Jehovah. You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to Jehovah. And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one young bull, and two rams; they shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their cereal offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire, a pleasing odour to Jehovah. And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits as a wave offering before Jehovah, with the two lambs; they shall be holy to Jehovah for the priest. And you shall make proclamation on the same day; you shall hold a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work: it is a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. "And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field to its very border, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest; you shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am Jehovah your God." (Leviticus 23:15-22)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the seven lambs, one bull, two rams, a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Pentecost. It's all a pretence.
Trumpets:

"On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, a pleasing odour to Jehovah: one young bull, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their cereal offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you; besides the burnt offering of the new moon, and its cereal offering, and the continual burnt offering and its cereal offering, and their drink offering, according to the ordinance for them, a pleasing odour, an offering by fire to Jehovah. (Numbers 29:1-6)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the one bull, one ram, seven male lambs, and a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Trumpets. It's all a pretence. Sheer mummery. Flim flam. Smoke and mirrors.

The same is true of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. No one keeps them. No one makes the offerings required. No one enlists a priest from the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings. It is all pretend. A sham. none of it is according to the commands of Jehovah none of it accords with the feasts as commanded by Jehovah. It is fake. It is false. It is a deception.

Have you looked at Israel lately?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Have you looked at Israel lately?

On television, yes I have seen Israel in recent days. There is still no temple in Israel, still no tribe of Levi, and still no priests in the line of Aaron. And most significant of all Rabbinic Judaism still rejects Jesus as the Christ whom God sent to save his people from their sins.

I noticed that you made no effort to deal with the passages of holy scripture that I presented. You've given no explanation about why the sacrifices for the feasts can be dispensed with yet the days are still obligations. Not a word from the holy scriptures to justify the negligence of the commandments of God about sacrifices while still expecting that Christians ought to keep the days. Why? Is it because there is no justification for neglecting the sacrifices if you expect obedience to the commandments about the feasts?

 

[psalms 91]

I am not a rabbi, if you are really interested and not just arguing then I suggest you go to a website by rabbis there are many out there because I know that Jews still celebrate the feasts especially Orhodox Jews. You will find your answer there if you are interested

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am not a rabbi, if you are really interested and not just arguing then I suggest you go to a website by rabbis there are many out there because I know that Jews still celebrate the feasts especially Orthodox Jews. You will find your answer there if you are interested

But why would I, a Christian, need to go to a Rabbinic Jewish rabbi to receive instruction about Christianity? I would not be tempted to go to an Islamic Imam for instruction about Christianity. I'd go to a priest or a theologian and weigh their words against the holy scriptures and the teaching of the church over the centuries if I desired instruction about Christianity. In fact I do that very thing when I read books about my faith tradition written by people who are priests and/or theologians and whose works are tested and true.

 

[psalms 91]

But why would I, a Christian, need to go to a Rabbinic Jewish rabbi to receive instruction about Christianity? I would not be tempted to go to an Islamic Imam for instruction about Christianity. I'd go to a priest or a theologian and weigh their words against the holy scriptures and the teaching of the church over the centuries if I desired instruction about Christianity. In fact I do that very thing when I read books about my faith tradition written by people who are priests and/or theologians and whose works are tested and true.

If you wish to know about feasts and temples you should go to the source, dont think many preachers or priests would have those answers beyond what you present which says nothing at all about how they do it now

 

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If you wish to know about feasts and temples you should go to the source, dont think many preachers or priests would have those answers beyond what you present which says nothing at all about how they do it now

Isn't the holy scripture the primary source. Rabbis attached to Rabbinic Judaism are not better informed than scholars from any background including Islamic.

 

[psalms 91]

Isn't the holy scripture the primary source. Rabbis attached to Rabbinic Judaism are not better informed than scholars from any background including Islamic.

I would say that they are concenring what Jews practice, wouldnt you? Or are you just trying to ignore the obvious again

 

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I would say that they are concerning what Jews practice, wouldn't you? Or are you just trying to ignore the obvious again

the same books are available to christian and other scholars as are available to rabbis. The same universities teach both Rabbis and Christian theologians in ancient languages and in old testament theology and exegesis. Often the same professors teach both. Many Jews convert to Christianity including Rabbis and they bring their scholarship with them and are, in some cases, appointed as professors in seminaries and universities. So I do not think that Rabbis are uniquely qualified to tell Christians what the old testament teaches. In fact for Christians rabbinic Jewish perspectives on the old testament are inadequate because they disregard the Lord Jesus Christ and do not interpret the old testament in the light of Christ.

 

[psalms 91]

the same books are available to christian and other scholars as are available to rabbis. The same universities teach both Rabbis and Christian theologians in ancient languages and in old testament theology and exegesis. Often the same professors teach both. Many Jews convert to Christianity including Rabbis and they bring their scholarship with them and are, in some cases, appointed as professors in seminaries and universities. So I do not think that Rabbis are uniquely qualified to tell Christians what the old testament teaches. In fact for Christians rabbinic Jewish perspectives on the old testament are inadequate because they disregard the Lord Jesus Christ and do not interpret the old testament in the light of Christ.

Then use those sourcews if you actually have any oir are just putting forth an argument, I am done with this as it is pointless, you just want to be obstinate so I will let you to it. If you are truly interested you will research it and if not then you will know thta I am right about your motives for this

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then use those sources if you actually have any

I have access to the sources that are available on the Internet and I do make use of them when I need to.

or are just putting forth an argument,

I am putting forth an argument insofar as I have presented a case for how the feasts were commanded (in the holy scriptures) to be kept by the faithful in ancient Israel and how it is not possible to keep those feasts according to Jehovah God's commandments without Levites to serve in the temple and priests who are descendants of Aaron because keeping the feasts according to the holy scriptures means offering the right sacrifices in the temple.

I am done with this as it is pointless,

Okay, that is fine but when you abandon the discussion you must have a reason. I've presented salient material from the holy scriptures that indicate that animal sacrifices are commanded by Jehovah for the feasts and that the sacrifices are to be made by priests on behalf of the faithful in ancient Israel. I await a reply that deals with what the holy scriptures say about the keeping of the feasts. What Jewish rabbis say today is not especially relevant unless they say something that deals directly with what Jehovah commanded to be done by those who keep the feasts.

you just want to be obstinate so I will leave you to it.

I want to be faithful to my Lord, Jesus Christ, and to the holy scriptures. I do not usually think of that as obstinate but I can see how it may seem so to those who do not want to follow what the holy scriptures teach on these matters.

If you are truly interested you will research it and if not then you will know that I am right about your motives for this