God gave the feasts to Israel not to Christians under the new covenant.

[MoreCoffee]

I embrace the new covenant... The new covenant is the old covenant with the light of Yeshua shining upon it. ... It is not the letter of the law without mercy but the spirit of the law with Yeshua's expertise.

No, not merely with expertise from Jesus but rather it is the new covenant in his blood which was shed for the forgiveness of the sins of many. The new covenant is new. It is not a revised old covenant. It is not a reinvigorated old covenant. It is a new covenant with a new priesthood and better sacrifices. Its sacrifice is God himself. It is God's shed blood that saves the faithful from their sins. Observing feasts will not contribute to the salvation of the faithful nor will failure to observe detract from their salvation. The feasts were signs pointing to Christ. Christ has come and the signs are no longer part of the covenant that God made with the faithful.

 

[visionary]

For those of the first century, the feasts, Passover, First Fruits, Pentecost was all about salvation. So will it be for the fall feasts with the second coming.

 

[psalms 91]

The vine IS Christ and we are his branches. It's good language isn't it. I am the vine and you are the branches. Saint Paul speaks of the body of Christ of which we are the members (limbs and parts). But we are not grafted into the vine. John chapter fifteen doesn't mention grafting. Perhaps you're thinking of the Olive tree mentioned by saint Paul in Romans chapter eleven?

All I know is we were grafted in and if you claim Abraham as your ancestor and the promises then you are grafted in but if not then dont claim any of it

 

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For those of the first century, the feasts, Passover, First Fruits, Pentecost was all about salvation. So will it be for the fall feasts with the second coming.

No, it will not be so at the return of the Lord to judge the living and the dead.

 

[psalms 91]

Ah cant admit that the fall feasts will be fulfilled because then he would have to admit that there is a Jewish element to all of this. As I said earlier let them be blinded and right in their own eyes.

 

[MoreCoffee]

All I know is we were grafted in and if you claim Abraham as your ancestor and the promises then you are grafted in but if not then don't claim any of it

The faithful claim only Christ and they claim him as their Lord and their God. Abraham is in the Lord's ancestry. Through Christ the faithful are Abraham's seed because he is the seed promised to Abraham. The seed through which the nations will be blessed. Do you really think you can observe the feasts? Are you really going to offer to God your obedience as satisfaction for your sins?

 

[psalms 91]

The faithful claim only Christ and they claim him as their Lord and their God. Abraham is in the Lord's ancestry. Through Christ the faithful are Abraham's seed because he is the seed promised to Abraham. The seed through which the nations will be blessed. Do you really think you can observe the feasts? Are you really going to offer to God your obedience as satisfaction for your sins?

No but I will honor Him with what He says He wants. You are once again mixing the two, just because I follow God and call them Gods feasts rather than restricting them to the Jewish does not take away from Christ at all

 

[MoreCoffee]

No but I will honor Him with what He says He wants. You are once again mixing the two, just because I follow God and call them Gods feasts rather than restricting them to the Jewish does not take away from Christ at all

Is it honouring the Lord when you offer obedience to the old laws about sacrificial animals that are clean and avoid animals that are sacrificially unclean as if you needed to offer sacrifices to the Lord? Do you not think that the Lord, having sacrificed himself, is offended when the old laws of sacrifice are revived as if he had done nothing?

 

[psalms 91]

Is it honouring the Lord when you offer obedience to the old laws about sacrificial animals that are clean and avoid animals that are sacrificially unclean as if you needed to offer sacrifices to the Lord? Do you not think that the Lord, having sacrificed himself, is offended when the old laws of sacrifice are revived as if he had done nothing?

What does that have to do with keeping the feasts that God said we should keep forever?

 

[visionary]

No, it will not be so at the return of the Lord to judge the living and the dead.

Yom Kippur is for judgment.

 

[pinacled]

Is it honouring the Lord when you offer obedience to the old laws about sacrificial animals that are clean and avoid animals that are sacrificially unclean as if you needed to offer sacrifices to the Lord? Do you not think that the Lord, having sacrificed himself, is offended when the old laws of sacrifice are revived as if he had done nothing?

I know of a bride adorned. And she has no thoughts of divorce.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is it honouring the Lord when you offer obedience to the old laws about sacrificial animals that are clean and avoid animals that are sacrificially unclean as if you needed to offer sacrifices to the Lord? Do you not think that the Lord, having sacrificed himself, is offended when the old laws of sacrifice are revived as if he had done nothing?

What does that have to do with keeping the feasts that God said we should keep forever?

God didn't say "we" were to keep the feats. God said earthly Israel was to keep the feasts. Those earthly feasts were connected to animal sacrifices offered by the descendants of Aaron in the tabernacle and after the temple was built in the temple. Such sacrifices are not possible without the temple and without the tabernacle. You want to keep the feasts but that is not possible. You can no more eat the passover lamb than you can offer the blood of the atonement on the mercy seat of the ark of the old covenant. Feasts are not kept by pretending to keep them with fake foods and faked holiness on special days. The feasts need animal blood sacrifices and you cannot offer one. Hebrews chapter ten explains the dilemma faced by those who want to keep the feasts.

 

[psalms 91]

God didn't say "we" were to keep the feats. God said earthly Israel was to keep the feasts. Those earthly feasts were connected to animal sacrifices offered by the descendants of Aaron in the tabernacle and after the temple was built in the temple. Such sacrifices are not possible without the temple and without the tabernacle. You want to keep the feasts but that is not possible. You can no more eat the passover lamb than you can offer the blood of the atonement on the mercy seat of the ark of the old covenant. Feasts are not kept by pretending to keep them with fake foods and faked holiness on special days. The feasts need animal blood sacrifices and you cannot offer one. Hebrews chapter ten explains the dilemma faced by those who want to keep the feasts.

Sigh, believe what you will, you have been shown what God wants and continue to call them Israels feasts when they are for all mankind just as Jesus was

 

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Sigh, believe what you will, you have been shown what God wants and continue to call them Israels feasts when they are for all mankind just as Jesus was

Can you keep the feasts without offering sacrifices for some of them, passover, day of atonement at a minimum? How are you going to sacrifice a lamb or a goat or a bull in the temple?

 

[psalms 91]

Can you keep the feats without offering sacrifices for some of them, passover, day of atonement at a minimum? How are you going to sacrifice a lamb or a goat or a bull in the temple?

Of course you cant and God knew that when He said it

 

[visionary]

For some it is so confusing to see the NT in OT... and understand the symbolism.

 

[Stravinsk]

Can you keep the feats without offering sacrifices for some of them, passover, day of atonement at a minimum? How are you going to sacrifice a lamb or a goat or a bull in the temple?

"Do this in remembrance of me". I have a sneaking suspicion that Messianics celebrate the feast of unleavened and count Messiah as the sacrifice instead of what we call "Easter". It came to mind this past few weeks. Alas, no messianic congregations in my area. I looked into it at one point.

 

[visionary]

Yep... Yeshua is the Passover Lamb... and the First Fruits

Sorry not Easter.. different day

 

[MoreCoffee]

Of course you cant and God knew that when He said it

Then you can't be keeping the feasts can you? Even if the day is set aside and treated in a special way the day cannot be a feast and be kept holy when no sacrifice is offered. Isn't that the core difficulty in rabbinic Judaism, their religion has feast days but cannot keep the feasts because there is no temple in which to make sacrifices according to the law. The holy scriptures call some of the feasts 'eternal' signs between the people and their God yet it is clear that since the destruction of the temple and loss of the ark of the covenant the feasts have not been kept.

 

[MoreCoffee]

"Do this in remembrance of me". ...

Yes, "do this" refers to the one and only holy feast of the Lord in which the faithful remember and participate in his holy supper and in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world by whose blood the new covenant is established. "This" is no old covenant feast, no bitter herbs are served at it.