Why was Mary necessary?

[Alithis]

Mary no, what some try to turn her into yes

they dont "try " lol they blatantly elevate her .. look at this thread in its persistent attempt to maintain the elevated status "they" have given her ,

as i always say .if you wish to see if something is an idol in a person's life ,then shake the shelf they keep it on and watch them come running to protect it ... this thread has been a perfect example they have run to protect their idol ..

but the lord Knows the true state of the heart in these matters .he is not fooled

 

[Alithis]

Not one post written by those who acknowledge Blessed Mary as the mother of God has set up an idol of her in thought, word, or deed.

good then lets clarify your personal stance -

you Deny that she is a co-mediator

you Deny that she is the queen of heaven

you deny that she is a perpetual virgin

and you deny that she was born sinless

because if you dont deny these things that elevate her beyond her station and thus idolize her - then your post is an outright lie

 

[Lamb]

good then lets clarify your personal stance -

you Deny that she is a co-mediator

you Deny that she is the queen of heaven

you deny that she is a perpetual virgin

and you deny that she was born sinless

because if you dont deny these things that elevate her beyond her station and thus idolize her - then your post is an outright lie

I deny those things and still call her Mary, Mother of God. She's Mary. She's Jesus' mother. He is God. That's how it goes.

 

[Alithis]

I deny those things and still call her Mary, Mother of God. She's Mary. She's Jesus' mother. He is God. That's how it goes.

Is he ..as man ..the father son and holy spirit..? no. He is only son.thus she is not the mother of thr eternal God. It is dishonest to not make this distinction clear and dishonest to allow others to think its the case by not making the distinction . we will be held accountable .
I wonder what the lord jesus called himself in his flesh form... Hmm only one thing.. Son of man . interesting. Scripture doesnt call the flesh man God.. It calls the word God . but then the word..became flesh. And the flesh is fully a man .and this is what mary was mother to .
But you know that.
You also know the title is never given by God.
It is added by man .

 

[MoreCoffee]

good then lets clarify your personal stance -

you Deny that she is a co-mediator

you Deny that she is the queen of heaven

you deny that she is a perpetual virgin

and you deny that she was born sinless

because if you dont deny these things that elevate her beyond her station and thus idolize her - then your post is an outright lie

Blessed Mary is queen in heaven because she is the mother of the King of heaven, our Lord Jesus Christ, and she is ever virgin and she is a saint who did not sin. Like Enoch who pleased God so much that God took him and Job who was perfect according to the scriptures. Do you know their stories?

 

[psalms 91]

But yet you say she isnt elevated? You claim she does not take away from Jesus?

 

[MoreCoffee]

But yet you say she isnt elevated? You claim she does not take away from Jesus?

Blessed Mary is elevated as many of the faithful are elevated by their Lord and God.

 

[psalms 91]

Noone is without sin save one and as mary had other children she was definitely not a virgin after Christ either. I agree that she was blessed above all women but to place her where you are trying to is not right

 

[MoreCoffee]

Noone is without sin save one and as mary had other children she was definitely not a virgin after Christ either. I agree that she was blessed above all women but to place her where you are trying to is not right

Meh.

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[Josiah]

Noone is without sin save one and as mary had other children she was definitely not a virgin after Christ either. I agree that she was blessed above all women but to place her where you are trying to is not right

Scripture does not remotely indicate that Mary had other children..... It doesn't state she did not, but equally, nor does it state that she did. I find it interesting how some modern American "Evangelicals" will rebuke Catholics for stating what Scripture doesn't specifically state - and in the same sentence, insist on something that Scripture doesn't specifically state. "Pot calling kettle black?"

If you state that she is blessed above all women (and you do), then you are placing her EXACTLY where Scripture and historic Christianity has placed her. Quite a different place than as I've witnessed in very modern "Evangelicalism."





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[psalms 91]

In Acts it talks of James who many believe was the brother of Jesus so yes there seems to be evidence to the fact that Jesus had siblings

 

[Josiah]

In Acts it talks of James who many believe was the brother of Jesus so yes there seems to be evidence to the fact that Jesus had siblings

Friend, there is no verse that says Mary HAD other children.... just equally as there is no verse that says Mary had NO other children. You rebuke Catholics for dogmatically insisting that Mary had no other children (because there's no verse, "Mary hath no other children") but in the same sentence, you insist that Mary HAD other children but can't find the verse "Mary hath other children." Pot calling kettle black? Self shooting self in foot?

"Brother" was a very, very loose term..... You and I are "brothers" in the sense in which the Bible uses the term. And of course, since step brothers were also simply called "brothers" (there being no word for "step brother"), James could have been a child of Joseph - we cannot prove from the term that Mary was the parent of James. You may ASSUME such - but then someone else can ASSUME something else. Point is: The Bible simply doesn't say. And so just as you rebuke the Catholic for dogmatically insisting on something the Bible doesn't say, you then rebuke yourself for dogmatically insisting on something the Bible doesn't say. You ASSUME one thing..... Catholics ASSUME something else - you are both ASSUMING and thus can't rebuke the other for ASSUMING.




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[Alithis]

But yet you say she isnt elevated? You claim she does not take away from Jesus?

and so we see it is as we have always maintained -- idolatry and blasphemy ..the term queen of heaven is in the scriptures and God make his disgust at that ttle plainly known .
the idolatry of the rcc is declared openly by these . and they refuse to repent of it .

 

[Alithis]

In Acts it talks of James who many believe was the brother of Jesus so yes there seems to be evidence to the fact that Jesus had siblings

yup it is plain and unambiguous that mary and joseph went on to have more children- they are just determined to idolize her .

 

[Josiah]

yup it is plain and unambiguous that mary and joseph went on to have more children .

You ASSUME that (but it's okay for you to ASSUME... you rebuke Catholics for ASSUMING Mary had no other children but you defend YOU equally assuming that she did). Hum. Pot calling kettle black?

 

[Alithis]

Noone is without sin save one and as mary had other children she was definitely not a virgin after Christ either. I agree that she was blessed above all women but to place her where you are trying to is not right

and lets nit forget..blessed means happy..not elevated to a office and title god has already declared
to be a wicked title.

 

[Lamb]

Who here has elevated her?

 

[MoreCoffee]

and so we see it is as we have always maintained -- idolatry and blasphemy ..the term queen of heaven is in the scriptures and God make his disgust at that ttle plainly known .
the idolatry of the rcc is declared openly by these . and they refuse to repent of it .

It's all in your mind. I say "Blessed Mary is queen of heaven because she is mother of the King of heaven" and you reply "blasphemy & idolatry". It's all in your mind mate.

 

[Alithis]

scripture declares what god thinks of the term queen of heaven .. there is no queen of heaven .God does not share his glory .he does not contradict himself .
romes mary and the mary of the bible are two utterly different beings .. one is a jewish virgin engaged to joseph and made HAPPY (blessed) by the lord . The other is some bizarre semi deity who is a perpetual virgin born without sin (all in opposition to the word of god ) whose followers have a perverse reverence of and impose titles of praise and glory upon her blaspheming the most high who is without beginning and without end and thus can have no mother . and over the centuries have put to death those who refuse to acknowledge her ..saying they are doing the lords will to murder people .

 

[Alithis]

Who here has elevated her?

when man gave her a title above her station.. man elevated her . but thats what man does for his false goddess that he renamed mary .

if nothing else, the perverse dedication to her, thoroughly convinces me rome is filled with lies above all other man made institutions.. i will never submit to her false teachings