Why was Mary necessary?

[Lamb]

when man gave her a title above her station.. man elevated her . but thats what man does for his false goddess that he renamed mary .

if nothing else, the perverse dedication to her, thoroughly convinces me rome is filled with lies above all other man made institutions.. i will never submit to her false teachings

Is Mary the Mother of Jesus? Is Jesus God? So simple isn't it yet you have elevated something so that now Jesus is not always God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is Mary the Mother of Jesus? Is Jesus God? So simple isn't it yet you have elevated something so that now Jesus is not always God.

In their haste to prove that Blessed Mary is not the mother of God they have stripped the Lord's humanity away from his divinity and restored a heresy of the fourth century as their doctrine. Such is the fruit of irrational dislike for the phrase "mother of God".

 

[Josiah]

In their haste to prove that Blessed Mary is not the mother of God they have stripped the Lord's humanity away from his divinity and restored a heresy of the fourth century as their doctrine. Such is the fruit of irrational dislike for the phrase "mother of God".

EXACTLY! Claiming that Titus 2:13 and Matthew 1:18 are "false, wrong and blasphemy" they have instead echoed, promoted and advocated one of the most destructive heresies in the 2000 year history of Christianity. HOPING to attack Mary, they instead attacked Christ.

 

[Alithis]

In their haste to prove that Blessed Mary is not the mother of God they have stripped the Lord's humanity away from his divinity and restored a heresy of the fourth century as their doctrine. Such is the fruit of irrational dislike for the phrase "mother of God".

Jesus is stlll lord..as scripture states .with nothing stripped away .
so the implied accusation is false.

no surprise there..

 

[Alithis]

when we match thing up with the entire scriptures we get an over all picture.
it is this over all clarity which exposes errors based on patchwork where one takes a single peice of scrupture mixes it with a carnal minded assumption cones up with a hybrid conclusion the imposes it over the top of the word of god in order to aid in the furthrence of a purposly taught lie. like praying to mary..
people only erroniously do so by asking her to ask god or jesus..because they are falsly taught she can do so.

but in the entire scripture this false premise does not exist.no where does god say..you should pray to my mother.no where does he say "my mother" no where does he speak of a queen of heaven but to condemn the title. no where does he say make stauesof mary,shrines to her,burn insence to her,carry a imsge of her, heil her,chant repitions of incantation to her.
These sinful practices which are practiced by utter millions on earth all believe thier athourity to be based in on single title... mother of God..the very thing that is impossible for her to be..
the word of God is not greater then the father who spoke the word ..the word is equal in authority to the speaker.but ultimatly the word is subject to the speaker of the word.
just as Jesus at the end of all things is then himself brought into subjection to the father.
Jesus chose to be born into the world as a flesh and blood man ..and it is this flesh and bloid man mary mothered.this word made flesh who himself is subject to God.
hence she was not,is not, nor ever can be the mother of God.
and svrrytime you perpetuate ghe falsehood you take part in the idolatry and sin that the masses practice based on that one man given false title..

 

[Alithis]

it is also of interest that even the lord Jesus does not ask the father anything on our behalf.
so if he he who can, deoesnt ,why bother asking mary who certainly cant.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Jesus is stlll lord..as scripture states .with nothing stripped away .
so the implied accusation is false.

no surprise there..

Is Jesus still a human being now?

 

[Josiah]

when we match thing up with the entire scriptures we get an over all picture.
it is this over all clarity which exposes errors based on patchwork where one takes a single peice of scrupture mixes it with a carnal minded assumption cones up with a hybrid conclusion the imposes it over the top of the word of god in order to aid in the furthrence of a purposly taught lie. like praying to mary..
people only erroniously do so by asking her to ask god or jesus..because they are falsly taught she can do so.

but in the entire scripture this false premise does not exist.no where does god say..you should pray to my mother.no where does he say "my mother" no where does he speak of a queen of heaven but to condemn the title. no where does he say make stauesof mary,shrines to her,burn insence to her,carry a imsge of her, heil her,chant repitions of incantation to her.
These sinful practices which are practiced by utter millions on earth all believe thier athourity to be based in on single title... mother of God..the very thing that is impossible for her to be..
the word of God is not greater then the father who spoke the word ..the word is equal in authority to the speaker.but ultimatly the word is subject to the speaker of the word.
just as Jesus at the end of all things is then himself brought into subjection to the father.
Jesus chose to be born into the world as a flesh and blood man ..and it is this flesh and bloid man mary mothered.this word made flesh who himself is subject to God.
hence she was not,is not, nor ever can be the mother of God.
and svrrytime you perpetuate ghe falsehood you take part in the idolatry and sin that the masses practice based on that one man given false title..

Read Titus 2:13. What - specifically, verbatim - is JESUS (the one to whom Mary is the "MOTHER") called? Is this verse "false, wrong and blasphemy" or is Nestorius (whom you have echoed, parroted, promoted) "false, wrong and blasphemous?"




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[Josiah]

Jesus is stlll lord..as scripture states .with nothing stripped away .
so the implied accusation is false.

no surprise there..

When you strip His divinity away, you take MUCH away from Jesus. And our salvation. Which is why the Nestorianism you have promoted, echoed, parroted was repudiated as heresy.

 

[MoreCoffee]

When you strip His divinity away, you take MUCH away from Jesus. And our salvation. Which is why the Nestorianism you have promoted, echoed, parroted was repudiated as heresy.

The problem is more that they strip away the Lord's humanity and in so doing they abrogate the atonement and destroy God's purpose in the salvation of his people from their sins. Because if the Lord in heaven is not also man in heaven then what hope is there that any man shall ever enter heaven if their Lord did not and cannot?

 

[pinacled]

I was reading from the book. Song of songs. Or is it song of Solomon?. There are a certain number of songs if I remember correctly.
Though the one verse that caught my attention was one that mentioned a woman with a line of red upon her lips. How she wished to be kissed and embaced reminded me of a bride adorned and waiting at the alter.
I see this bride in essence, is faithfull her Father will prepare her groom.
As she patiently awaits the release of her beloved. So many wail to hold back from calling the one called in the name of the Lord.
In the law there is a year for release. And this the same year our Lord was pushed aside to favor a murderer.

 

[Alithis]

The problem is more that they strip away the Lord's humanity and in so doing they abrogate the atonement and destroy God's purpose in the salvation of his people from their sins. Because if the Lord in heaven is not also man in heaven then what hope is there that any man shall ever enter heaven if their Lord did not and cannot?

except the accusation is false . from you both i assume . you need to cease that line of accusation i the knowledge that we wil be held accountable for every idle world we speak .do not add false accusation to the list merely becaseu we won't accept your idolization of mary.
no one has srtiped any thing away from the Lord JEsus -he is LORD and he is the word of God he came forth from the father and is subject to the father . if the lord jesus himself ,being equal in authority to the father is still also Subject to the father then mary is not the mother of GOD -she is the mother of the son ONLY . and this distinction has been made claer and even rome has it i thier writings that this is the distinction but it never promotes the distinction only the error and allows the term to be openly and wrongly applied .thus it is best that it not be used or applied at all as it only leads to error and the promotion of SIN .

but it appears on the surface of it that in your desire to keep mary in an elevated and thus idolized sate that you care nothing for the furtherance of truth in the hearts of others . you do not care that based on this MAN give title people all over the world build shrines to her and burn incense to her in cts of blatant WORSHIP and devotion they make images of her and statues of her and parade them down the streets in praise and worship of HER not of the lord JESus
and they do all this because people like you lot tell them she is the mother of God .. GOd never told them ..you do ,rome does ..and you care nothing that YOUR propagation of the title is causing MANY to SIN and you wil be held accountable for it before Gold if you do not repent of doing so .

you should be very concerned that YOUR words cause the sin of the many . the fact that you care nothing for that, displays to me that not only are you far from truth you are at enmity with God by causing many to continue in sin and perish .

 

[Josiah]

no one has srtiped any thing away from the Lord JEsus

You have echoed (verbatim!) the horrible heretic Nestorius (on the EXACT same point!) by stripping Jesus of His divinity.... you insist that the Jesus born of Mary is not GOD (in direct contradiction of Titus 2:13 and other verses and of the First, Third and Fifth Ecumenical Councils), insisting that only a HUMAN came from the womb of Mary, thus denying His divinity AND denying the INSEPARABLE quality of His two natures - parroting, promoting and defending Nestorianism against Scripture and three of the seven Ecumenical Councils.... choosing to defend one of the worse, most destructive, most horrible heresies in the 2000 years of Christianity (which you have parroted verbatim) AND destroying Christ and our salvation. And when you've been (repeatedly) been told this, you've indicated that you don't care.



Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah



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[TurtleHare]

How many times did Jesus refer to himself as We or Us? Don't lie now and don't try to deceive.

Do your research and you shall find that Jesus is always God. He was God in the manger and God at the cross so when people are cutting and snipping away trying to make him into 2 beings since they don't understand his two natures they are making a bad mistake.

 

[Alithis]

How many times did Jesus refer to himself as We or Us? Don't lie now and don't try to deceive.

Do your research and you shall find that Jesus is always God. He was God in the manger and God at the cross so when people are cutting and snipping away trying to make him into 2 beings since they don't understand his two natures they are making a bad mistake.

you falsely accuse others and refuse to address the issue that the title is dailey causing millions of people to sin in idolatry -and you do not care one iota . by not condemning the activity of idolizing mary you condone it ..
your like those who built tombs for the prophets showing you approved of thier murders .

shes called that shes called that you all cry out. elevate he elevate her - and you assist many into hell .

 

[Alithis]

in the name of Jesus ,the lord of lords and king of kings, the living word of God become Flesh ,slain for the sin of the world and risen again to life everlasting in victory
I declare that HE is lord and in his name .. the name of the Lord JESUS the MESSIAH that mary is not the mother of the Almighty GOD .but the vessel which he graciously chose to bare forth the manifestation of him ,as flesh .
And I will not cease to make this distinction clear, so that people are not fooled into the error of idolatry by the elevation of her via name and title that is neither God given nor Truth .

having declared this ,You may rest Easy that GOD is my judge not you .and my conscience before him remains clear on this matter and i am not at enmity to him but reconciled by the blood of of the Lamb of God who is my saviour and my LORD .and he alone do i love and praise and i wil not give my adoration to another -especially not this false goddess rome had renamed mary .who is so utterly different to the mary the sciptures speak of .

 

[Lamb]

Please, if you're going to ignore someone, don't try to humiliate him publicly with your posts. It's not loving to your neighbor.

 

[TurtleHare]

you falsely accuse others and refuse to address the issue that the title is dailey causing millions of people to sin in idolatry sand you do not care one iota . by not condemning the activity of idolizing mary you condone it ..
your like those who built tombs for the prophets showing you approved of thier murders .

shes called that shes called that you all cry out elevate he elevate her - and you assist many into hell .

What deception on your part! My post was entirely about Jesus. Repent!

 

[Romanos]

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[Josiah]

Josiah i can only imagine the likelihood your tirade of accusations of heresy .because i see the timing of your posts but all i see is
"This message is hidden because Josiah is on your ignore list."
in the name of Jesus ,the lord of lords and king of kings, the living word of God become Flesh ,slain for the sin of the world and risen again to life everlasting in victory
I declare that HE is lord and in his name .. the name of the Lord JESUS the MESSIAH that mary is not the mother of the Almighty GOD .but the vessel which he graciously chose to bare forth the manifestation of him ,as flesh .
And I will not cease to make this distinction clear, so that people are not fooled into the error of idolatry by the elevation of her via name and title that is neither God given nor Truth .

having declared this ,You may rest Easy that GOD is my judge not you .and my conscience before him remains clear on this matter and i am not at enmity to him but reconciled by the blood of of the Lamb of God who is my saviour and my LORD .and he alone do i love and praise and i wil not give my adoration to another -especially not this false goddess rome had renamed mary .who is so utterly different to the mary the sciptures speak of .

You've already indicated that you don't read the posts of many.... and that you don't care that you are echoing, promoting, defending one of the worse heresies in the history of Christianity and that you are contradicting Titus 2:13. You don't care. You don't read. You've already noted that.

And yes, AGAIN, you echo the heretic Nestorius. You have been given many links so that you could (for yourself) note your verbatim echoing of this heresy, and be corrected. But you don't read. Because you don't care.

IMO, Christians SHOULD care about truth.... SHOULD care if they are (however innocently) advocating universally/historically denounced heresy, resurrecting one of the most destructive heresies in Christian history. Christians SHOULD be willing to be corrected. Your rubric that you YOURSELF uniquely can't be wrong and what you YOURSELF alone says equals Truth is a dangerous rubric, one that locks you into error. That alone would be tragic, but that you dirty a public website with this is dangerous - very dangerous - heresy, well....and for that single reason, I have been and will continue to be persist in not leaving your heresy uncorrected. Such horrible heresy CANNOT be left to stand uncorrected, unrenounced, capable of trapping others in his horrible heresy, opening Christianity again to the destruction this heresy does. And I have been stunned by "Evangelicals" who have come to your aid in promoting and defending this heresy (I've NEVER witnessed that - EVER, ANYWHERE) rather than also quickly and boldly renouncing Nestorianism.



I know.... you won't read this. Because don't care.



- Josiah



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