No condemnation ...

[Josiah]

That verse speaks of the justification we have because of the cross and Jesus'death but you ask whether we still have condemnation and the answer is when we die as believers no. While on earth though we have the Holy Spirit who uses the Law as a mirror curb and guide and the Law accuses us of our wrong doings because we need to know when we stray. God who is faithful will keep pointing us back to Him and the cross as He brings us to repentance.

Yup.


Thanks!

 

[visionary]

Punishment will equal meted out according to crime/sin.

Luke 12:47 And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. And from everyone who has been given much shall much be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Seems that Romans 8:1-2 makes a statement about those in Christ Jesus but makes no statement about who is in Christ Jesus or if they are always so or if they can cease being so.

 

[Alithis]

Can a Christian find him/her self condemned by God for wickedness?

No.

oh that wonderful .. so you can be a chrsitian and practicing homsexual and a pedophile and a murderer and lets throw in adultery just for the sake of the point ... ?

we are forgiven for all sin and then set free from it .. so we can carry on and go back to doing it again?

i think you need to elaborate on the answer just as the question need to be more clearly defined ..

 

[Alithis]

I commend the passages I've cited and quoted in my posts to all who read the thread; they can see for themselves how the scriptures urge the faithful not to do wickedness and abandon God's calling for fear of the judgement to come.

that sounds wonderful.. so you wil stop doing the things like calling the pope holy father ,praying to mary . making idols and burning incense to them and a bunch of other stuff.. you personally may not do it but many rcc adherents do..i have witnessed it so with my own eyes . you never condemn, it which means you approve ... yet you say the scriptures says the faithful are NOT to do wickedness .. bit of a forked tongue there ..

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't see any reason to disrespect the pope nor do I think that calling a man 'father' or 'pope' or referring to a man as holy is a bad thing. After all saint Paul calls all Christians "holy ones" in his letters so calling the pope "holy father" seems in keeping with scriptural example.

 

[Alithis]

I don't see any reason to disrespect the pope nor do I think that calling a man 'father' or 'pope' or referring to a man as holy is a bad thing. After all saint Paul calls all Christians "holy ones" in his letters so calling the pope "holy father" seems in keeping with scriptural example.

aaha sneaky side step.. i didn't say anything about calling a man "holy " i said .. calling a man "holy Father " ... -wow that dishonest streak runs thick in every essence of the rcc .

the lord jesus when praying to the most high God His father in heaven .. the same lord Jesus who said "call no man Father" .. prayed this "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, ... i have seen and heard people on the streets calling out to the pope and calling him Holy father and he did not give glory to God by renouncing the title .. to refer to him as holy father is blasphemy it is giving him the same title the lord JEsus gave to his father in heaven .

if you had a love for the truth -and i think in part you do .. you will also denounce this blasphemy .. you know in your heart you cannot continue to folow rome and the lord Jesus .its decision time for you . has been for some time now. stop defending what your own conscience knows to be a lie . i dont challenge you to convert to some other denomination, i dont even tell the unsaved to join a denomination.. but follow the lord Jesus and him alone and be obedient to him in every area of our lives to prove our love fro him becaseu he first loved us . the lord Jesus never ever said a church can save you .. because it cannot ..
the lord jesus said to take up our cross and follow HIM ..never man never rome never any denomination

 

[pinacled]

oh that wonderful .. so you can be a chrsitian and practicing homsexual and a pedophile and a murderer and lets throw in adultery just for the sake of the point ... ?

we are forgiven for all sin and then set free from it .. so we can carry on and go back to doing it again?

i think you need to elaborate on the answer just as the question need to be more clearly defined ..

Have you ever met a murderer?

 

[visionary]

The offer of salvation is a free gift. The obedience to the law is a reflection of the Holy Spirit operating in the soul on to perfection. The very definition of righteousness comes from obedience to the law of God.

 

[Alithis]

Have you ever met a murderer?

well i was over generalizing a point . but i haven't personally that i know of met a person who put thier hate into action in regard to another man . but im intrigued.. why do you ask ?

 

[Alithis]

The offer of salvation is a free gift. The obedience to the law is a reflection of the Holy Spirit operating in the soul on to perfection. The very definition of righteousness comes from obedience to the law of God.

i agree .. so if we walk in the love of god and obey the holy spirit .. can we at any point while doing so, violate god's perfect law of life ?

 

[psalms 91]

i agree .. so if we walk in the love of god and obey the holy spirit .. can we at any point while doing so, violate god's perfect law of life ?

We are still human and still have free choice and we all sin so the answer is yes we can

 

[MoreCoffee]

i agree .. so if we walk in the love of god and obey the holy spirit .. can we at any point while doing so, violate god's perfect law of life ?

We are still human and still have free choice and we all sin so the answer is yes we can

Bill, your answer is good.

One ought to ask if one feels so secure in godliness and forgiveness that falling is impossible. The holy scriptures warn "Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall." (1 Corinthians 10:12)

 

[visionary]

i agree .. so if we walk in the love of god and obey the holy spirit .. can we at any point while doing so, violate god's perfect law of life ?

He winks at our missteps, because we are His children. But wilfull disobedience will get punished. Many declare that they love God and obey the Holy Spirit yet defy God's own Will.

 

[MoreCoffee]

He winks at our missteps, because we are His children. But wilfull disobedience will get punished. Many declare that they love God and obey the Holy Spirit yet defy God's own Will.

Winks? Not any more. The holy scriptures say "And God indeed having winked at the times of this ignorance, now declares to men that all should everywhere repent." (Acts 17:30)

 

[visionary]

i agree .. so if we walk in the love of god and obey the holy spirit .. can we at any point while doing so, violate god's perfect law of life ?

Unless you have the Law of God in your heart, you will not know if you are violating it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Unless you have the Law of God in your heart, you will not know if you are violating it.

Unless one has Christ in heart and mind one will not care about the Law or anything else that has beneficial eternal value.

 

[visionary]

Unless one has Christ in heart and mind one will not care about the Law or anything else that has beneficial eternal value.

Wow!!!! Yeshua was so mindful of the law, He declared not one dot or tittle will change... and you don't care.

 

[Alithis]

We are still human and still have free choice and we all sin so the answer is yes we can

bro you didn't read the Question properly .

if we walk in the love of god and obey the holy spirit .. can we at any point while doing so[/B], violate god's perfect law of life ?

The answer is NO ..it is impossible for the holy Spirit to sin or to lead us into sin, or cause us to sin, or make us sin. only our own will can do that if we refuse to obey the holy Spirit (the living nature of christ jesus) within us and obey the old nature of the flesh .

the old nature has no power over us .it is dead in the death of the lord jesus ..it has only as much power over us as we choose to give it .and our choice is what was returned to us when the lord Jesus set us free by his blood shed on that cross and by his resurrection .

we have been set free from sin.. and since we are free it has no power over us to make us serve it or do it .. none zip zilch nada ... if it still had power over us A- christ failed (thats impossible ) or B we are not yet free thus not yet being saved .(this is totally possible ). Makes one tremble in regard to the topic .

we were not set free to go back to serving that which we are set free from.. why do people think you can accidentally commit basic unambiguous sin.. and then think it is ok to do so ? you cant accidentally commit an act you completely know to be sin . if you have been born again -you have to choose to do so by choosing to obey the old nature of the flesh and ignore the holy Spirit .

 

[MoreCoffee]

Wow!!!! Yeshua was so mindful of the law, He declared not one dot or tittle will change... and you don't care.

I cannot help but think you misread my post. So here it is again so that it can be read without misunderstanding.

Unless you have the Law of God in your heart, you will not know if you are violating it.

Unless one has Christ in heart and mind one will not care about the Law or anything else that has beneficial eternal value.

The Pharisees were scrupulous about the Law and the Tradition of the Elders yet the Lord Jesus Christ said of them "So then: Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you close the kingdom of heaven before men. For you yourselves do not enter, and those who are entering, you would not permit to enter. Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you consume the houses of widows, praying long prayers. Because of this, you shall receive the greater judgment. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you travel around by sea and by land, in order to make one convert. And when he has been converted, you make him twice the son of Hell that you are yourselves. Woe to you, blind guides, who say: "Whoever will have sworn by the temple, it is nothing. But whoever will have sworn by the gold of the temple is obligated." You are foolish and blind! For which is greater: the gold, or the temple that sanctifies the gold? And you say: "Whoever will have sworn by the altar, it is nothing. But whoever will have sworn by the gift that is on the altar is obligated." How blind you are! For which is greater: the gift, or the altar that sanctifies the gift? Therefore, whoever swears by the altar, swears by it, and by all that is on it. And whoever will have sworn by the temple, swears by it, and by him who dwells in it. And whoever swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God, and by him who sits upon it. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you collect tithes on mint and dill and cumin, but you have abandoned the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, while not omitting the others. You blind guides, straining out a gnat, while swallowing a camel! Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you clean what is outside the cup and the dish, but on the inside you are full of avarice and impurity. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the dish, and then what is outside becomes clean. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed sepulchres, which outwardly appear brilliant to men, yet truly, inside, they are filled with the bones of the dead and with all filth. So also, you certainly appear to men outwardly to be just. But inwardly you are filled with hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites, who build the sepulchres of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the just. And then you say, "If we had been there in the days of our fathers, we would not have joined with them in the blood of the prophets." And so you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of those who killed the prophets. Complete, then, the measure of your fathers. You serpents, you brood of vipers! How will you escape from the judgment of Hell? For this reason, behold, I send to you prophets and wise men, and scribes. And some of these you will put to death and crucify; and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall all the blood of the just, which has been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you killed between the temple and the altar. Amen I say to you, all these things shall fall upon this generation." (Matthew 23:13-36)