No condemnation ...

[Alithis]

Everywhere. The GWT is for unbelievers only.

minor correction there .. minor yet MASSIVE .. it is not for the unbeliever .. but for those disobedient of the gospel -and that can fully encapsulate the believer .

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think you need to re-read Ex 20:8 and look real closely for this law you speak of.

What that got to do with works?

 

[Pedrito]

May I be so bold as to submit some Scripture by way of clarification?

Hebrews 6:4-6

4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of [the] Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted [the] good Word of God and [the] powers of the world to come,
6 and who have fallen away; it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put [Him] to an open shame.

Hebrews 10:26-29

26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He who despised Moses' law died without mercy on [the word of] two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the [one] who has trampled the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

2 Peter 2:20-22

20 For if [they] have escaped the pollutions of the world through the full knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled, they have been overcome by these, [their] last things are worse [than] the first.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have fully known the way of righteousness, than fully knowing [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 But [the] word of the true proverb has happened to them: [The] dog turning to [his] own vomit; and, [The] washed sow to wallowing in the mire.

1 John 5:16,17

16 If anyone sees his brother sin a sin not to death, he shall ask, and He shall give him life for those that do not sin to death. There is a sin to death, I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not to death.

Jude 1:12,13

12 These are sunken rocks in your love feasts, feasting together with you; feeding themselves without fear; waterless clouds being carried about by winds; fruitless autumn trees, having died twice, having been plucked up by the roots;
13 wild waves of the sea foaming up their shames; wandering stars for whom blackness of darkness has been kept forever.

Hebrews 10:38,39

38 Now, the Just shall live by faith. But if he draws back, My soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of those] withdrawing to destruction, but of those who believe to [the] preserving of [the] soul.

 

[Pedrito]

And while I'm about it, Numbers 15:32-36:

32 And while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation.
34 And they put him under guard because it had not been clearly said what should be done to him.
35 And the LORD said to Moses, The man shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died, even as the LORD commanded Moses.

Apparently he wasn't being paid by anyone.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And while I'm about it, Numbers 15:32-36:


Apparently he wasn't being paid by anyone.

No, and they killed him all the same.

 

[psalms 91]

Im lost now

 

[MoreCoffee]

Im lost now

The man gathering sticks on the sabbath was executed.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes they were, now about Jesus are you saying He broke the Law or was it the manmade restrictions whioch He broke

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes they were, now about Jesus are you saying He broke the Law or was it the man-made restrictions which He broke

The man that was executed was back in Moses time, when Israel was encamped at the foot of Sinai.

Jesus upset the Pharisees by not being such a strict observer of the minute details of the law. He told a man to carry his bed on the Sabbath and that upset the Pharisees and scribes.

 

[psalms 91]

But since He was sinless He did nothing wrong, the Law wasnt the problem, it was the fence laws that the Pharasees built around the Law that was

 

[MoreCoffee]

But since He was sinless He did nothing wrong, the Law wasn't the problem, it was the fence laws that the Pharisees built around the Law that was

The Lord interpreted the commandments (the ten and all the others too) through Love for God and love for one's neighbour and thus he fulfilled all of the Law and the Prophets without becoming like the scribes and the Pharisees who both adhered to minute details outwardly and were inwardly ravening wolves ready to consume their neighbour. Thus telling the man to carry his bed - because it was both a useful thing for the healed man to do and because it was a public sign that he had been healed - was good and according to the commandments while at the same time contrary to the way that the scribes and Pharisees interpreted the Law and the Prophets. Thus the Lord was perfect in all his way before God while being a Law breaker according to the scribes and Pharisees.

 

[psalms 91]

The Lord interpreted the commandments (the ten and all the others too) through Love for God and love for one's neighbour and thus he fulfilled all of the Law and the Prophets without becoming like the scribes and the Pharisees who both adhered to minute details outwardly while inwardly being ravening wolves ready to consume their neighbour. Thus telling the man to carry his bed - because it was both a useful thing for the healed man to do and because it was a public sign that he had been healed - was good and according to the commandments while at the same time contrary to the way that the scribes and Pharisees interpreted the Law and the Prophets. Thus the Lord was perfect in all his way before God while being a Law breaker according to the scribes and Pharisees.

Yup exactly right