two Sabbaths that week..

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If Yeshua has not mentioned Jonah claiming it was a sign... what evidence was there that there is a connection between His death and resurrection are prophetic?

 

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If Yeshua has not mentioned Jonah claiming it was a sign... what evidence was there that there is a connection between His death and resurrection are prophetic?

Jonah did not die in the whale's belly, did he? Despite his prayer referencing 'sheol' he was not in fact in the world of the dead but in a whale's belly.

 

[visionary]

Jonah did not die in the whale's belly, did he? Despite his prayer referencing 'sheol' he was not in fact in the world of the dead but in a whale's belly.

Then why does Yeshua use it to reference to His own death and resurrection?

 

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Then why does Yeshua use it to reference to His own death and resurrection?

Because it is a simile that is why he said "just as Jonah ...". He uses the story of Jonah as a simile for his own death and resurrection.

 

[visionary]

If Jonah died not, then Yeshua using him as an example of death and resurrection three days and nights later doesn't fit. It says he cried from “Out of the belly of Sheol” not just the whales belly.

 

[visionary]

(Jonah 2:3-6 KJV) (3) For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. (4) Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. (5) The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. (6) I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Verse 5 above emphatically states that the waves surrounded him and even took his life (i.e., soul) as he was in the abyss of the sea. Verse 6 clearly states that Jonah went down to Sheol at the “bottoms of the mountains” and the bars of the earth closed around him forever. JONAH WAS DEAD!

 

[visionary]

(Jonah 2:1-2 KJV) (1) Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, (2) And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

It is very important to note that verse 1 has Jonah praying to God from the belly of the fish. This is after the three days that Jonah spent in Sheol, and Jonah has been resurrected in the fish’s belly. In Jonah’s prayer after three days, he relates in verse 2 how he cried out to God from the belly of Sheol (translated “hell”) because of his affliction, and God heard his prayer. Jonah states in the last part of verse 2:6 above “yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God”. This is an explicit statement that God brought Jonah back to life from “corruption”. The Hebrew word for “corruption” means the grave or the pit. God brought Jonah back from death.

 

[visionary]

The following passage of Scripture in Jonah is highly significant, for it shows that Jonah repented of his disobedience just before he fell unconscious and died:

(Jonah 2:7-10 NASB) (7) "While I was fainting away, I remembered the LORD; And my prayer came to Thee, Into Thy holy temple. (8) "Those who regard vain idols Forsake their faithfulness, (9) But I will sacrifice to Thee With the voice of thanksgiving. That which I have vowed I will pay. Salvation is from the LORD."

If it were not for Jonah’s prayer in Jonah 2:2-9, we would not know for sure that Jonah had died in the sea and descended into Sheol at the foot of the mountains. We would also not know that Jonah repented of his unfaithfulness just before he died. God heard Jonah’s cries up from Sheol and brought him up from the grave in the fish’s belly. At the end of Jonah’s prayer from inside the fish, God causes the fish to vomit Jonah up upon dry land.

 

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If Jonah died not, then Yeshua using him as an example of death and resurrection three days and nights later doesn't fit. It says he cried from “Out of the belly of Sheol” not just the whales belly.

You believe that Jonah was raised from the dead and lived however long after his resurrection?

 

[visionary]

You believe that Jonah was raised from the dead and lived however long after his resurrection?

Yes.. just like Lazarus.

 

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Yes.. just like Lazarus.

Interesting, and you believe this because of the passage in Matthew?

 

[visionary]

Interesting, and you believe this because of the passage in Matthew?

and I am not suppose to?? ... Lazarus is not the only one resurrected in scripture... there are a couple OT examples too.

 

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and I am not suppose to?? ... Lazarus is not the only one resurrected in scripture... there are a couple OT examples too.

The story of Jonah makes no claim about a resurrection or about Jonah actually dying. One does not usually prayer a prayer about one's death while dying or do you contend that the prayer is a post resurrection prayer?

 

[visionary]

You must not have read my posts... I laid out the prayers before and after..

 

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You must not have read my posts... I laid out the prayers before and after..

Humour me. The story of Jonah makes no claim about a resurrection or about Jonah actually dying. One does not usually prayer a prayer about one's death while dying or do you contend that the prayer is a post resurrection prayer?

 

[visionary]

Are you saying that if you are slowly being strangled by weeds to death, you would not be praying to God?

 

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Are you saying that if you are slowly being strangled by weeds to death, you would not be praying to God?

I am saying one does not normally write a prayer while dying, suicide notes are allegedly common but a dying written prayer?

Are you fluent in ancient Hebrew?

If you are not, and your answers imply that you are not, then your relying on the KJV's obscurity for your proof about signs and in this thread you're relying once again on poetic prayer language for proof of your stated theory about a Wednesday Crucifixion and seventy two hours in the tomb. Your posts rely a great deal on obscurity in the KJV do they not?

 

[visionary]

I am saying one does not normally write a prayer while dying, suicide notes are allegedly common but a dying written prayer?

Are you fluent in ancient Hebrew?

If you are not, and your answers imply that you are not, then your relying on the KJV's obscurity for your proof about signs and in this thread you're relying once again on poetic prayer language for proof of your stated theory about a Wednesday Crucifixion and seventy two hours in the tomb. Your posts rely a great deal on obscurity in the KJV do they not?

No I am relying on the Lexicon to give me clarification in this instance.

Jonah didn't write about his experiences at the time of the experience either.

 

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No I am relying on the Lexicon to give me clarification in this instance.

Jonah didn't write about his experiences at the time of the experience either.

I do not think you have the skills needed to use a lexicon to arrive at an accurate understanding of the words in the passages.

 

[visionary]

I do not think you have the skills needed to use a lexicon to arrive at an accurate understanding of the words in the passages.

I think you didn't like the lexicon answer.