Was the blood moon experience a disappointment?

[visionary]

Yes, but what signs exactly. That verse does not say.

blood moon, sun going dark, like the sun and moon eclipses. So what makes these particular sun and moon eclipses special? IT is because they fall on the Feasts of the Lord. This connection makes them rare and special. Now add to that the fact that they fall on the first and last feasts of the year. Each year for three years... That is a two witness ministry for the 3 1/2 years... I threw in the half because 2017 will, I believe, Be the final year of earth's history. There are many reason for that conclusion which I will not get into on this thread. We will stay focused in on the very idea that "eclipses tied to the Feasts of the Lord" mean anything.

I say they start the end time clock ticking. What was and has been up to now are just rumors... examples... What is coming is the whirlwind.

 

[psalms 91]

blood moon, sun going dark, like the sun and moon eclipses. So what makes these particular sun and moon eclipses special? IT is because they fall on the Feasts of the Lord. This connection makes them rare and special. Now add to that the fact that they fall on the first and last feasts of the year. Each year for three years... That is a two witness ministry for the 3 1/2 years... I threw in the half because 2017 will, I believe, Be the final year of earth's history. There are many reason for that conclusion which I will not get into on this thread. We will stay focused in on the very idea that "eclipses tied to the Feasts of the Lord" mean anything.

I say they start the end time clock ticking. What was and has been up to now are just rumors... examples... What is coming is the whirlwind.

Please expound on 2017 being the end. If you are not xcomfortable posting it please pm me

 

[MoreCoffee]

blood moon, sun going dark, like the sun and moon eclipses. So what makes these particular sun and moon eclipses special? IT is because they fall on the Feasts of the Lord. This connection makes them rare and special.

Where does holy scripture say that a solar and lunar eclipse that falls on a Jewish feast day is special?

Now add to that the fact that they fall on the first and last feasts of the year. Each year for three years... That is a two witness ministry for the 3 1/2 years... I threw in the half because 2017 will, I believe, Be the final year of earth's history. There are many reason for that conclusion which I will not get into on this thread. We will stay focused in on the very idea that "eclipses tied to the Feasts of the Lord" mean anything.

I say they start the end time clock ticking. What was and has been up to now are just rumors... examples... What is coming is the whirlwind.

If 2017 passes and the Earth continues would you abandon this kind of approach to blood moons and eclipses or not?

 

[psalms 91]

Where does it say that 9-11 was a sign unto the nation but it was

 

[tango]

blood moon, sun going dark, like the sun and moon eclipses. So what makes these particular sun and moon eclipses special? IT is because they fall on the Feasts of the Lord. This connection makes them rare and special. Now add to that the fact that they fall on the first and last feasts of the year. Each year for three years... That is a two witness ministry for the 3 1/2 years... I threw in the half because 2017 will, I believe, Be the final year of earth's history. There are many reason for that conclusion which I will not get into on this thread. We will stay focused in on the very idea that "eclipses tied to the Feasts of the Lord" mean anything.

I say they start the end time clock ticking. What was and has been up to now are just rumors... examples... What is coming is the whirlwind.

On what basis do you think these blood moons are significant?

The fact it has been however many years since the last one is all well and good but why is that significant? I think linking two blood moons to the two witnesses of Rev 11 is tenuous at best unless you can indicate how two historic blood moons can prophesy for three and a half years and their bodies can lie in the street.

The problem I see here is two totally dissociated concepts. On the one hand we have indications of signs in the heavens and warnings of dire times ahead. On the other we have a few blood moons. The claim that the two are linked is the bit that is lacking evidence. Why would God present us with something that kinda-sorta-might be a sign but didn't seem to point to anything in particular? Had there been some unquestionably significant event on the day of the blood moons you'd have a stronger case but as it stands it seems the case is little more than "blood moon on Jewish feast, therefore it must be significant" and the fact that it appears to have been utterly insignificant is ignored because apparently it must be significant.

I'd be interested to see how you conclude that it will all end in 2017, given the two witnesses are supposed to prophesy for three and a half years and they don't seem to have been identified yet. I think if there were people alive who consumed their enemies with fire from their mouths we'd know about it by now.

 

[tango]

Where does it say that 9-11 was a sign unto the nation but it was

How was it a sign unto the nation? It was a terrorist attack, just like 7 July 2005 was in London. Was 2001 more of a "sign unto the nation" than the previous attempt to bring down the Twin Towers in (I think) 1994? IIRC back then the attempt was to set off a suitcase nuke in the underground parking area, causing one tower to collapse onto the other and rain debris all over lower Manhatten.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Jehovah's witnesses say that 1914 was a sign of the end times. At least they had the first "great war" that encompassed a great deal of the whole world as a sign to all nations. The collapse of the twin towers and the damage to the Pentagon building in the attacks of 11th-September-2001 hit the world news and provided an excuse for legislators to pass laws invasive of personal privacy and restrictive of personal liberties but aside from that the attacks of that day were not a world wide "sign". Lunar eclipses are not very rare and if an eclipse of the moon occurs on a Jewish holy day of some kind and is visible in Israel on that holy day how is that a sign if it is not specifically said to be a sign in the holy scriptures?

 

[psalms 91]

How was it a sign unto the nation? It was a terrorist attack, just like 7 July 2005 was in London. Was 2001 more of a "sign unto the nation" than the previous attempt to bring down the Twin Towers in (I think) 1994? IIRC back then the attempt was to set off a suitcase nuke in the underground parking area, causing one tower to collapse onto the other and rain debris all over lower Manhatten.

The timing for one, the words spoken by our leaders at the tinme and directly after, they were almost word for word with Isianh 9:10 where the leaders of Israel proclaimed in defiance of God that we will rebuild and be stronger than before. Read a book called the Harbinger and you will get more than an idea about this

 

[tango]

The timing for one, the words spoken by our leaders at the tinme and directly after, they were almost word for word with Isianh 9:10 where the leaders of Israel proclaimed in defiance of God that we will rebuild and be stronger than before. Read a book called the Harbinger and you will get more than an idea about this

I did read the book and honestly thought it was garbage. It's easy to make retrospective predictions, especially when it's hard to know what else the leaders of the day were expected to say.

 

[psalms 91]

I did read the book and honestly thought it was garbage. It's easy to make retrospective predictions, especially when it's hard to know what else the leaders of the day were expected to say.

I thought it was spot on and with scripural support. I dont lknow about you but there is nothing new under the sun seems so true

 

[tango]

I thought it was spot on and with scripural support. I dont lknow about you but there is nothing new under the sun seems so true

It seemed to lean so heavily on one verse and as far as I could tell joined up a few dots after the fact. It's not difficult to join up dots after the fact - just look at The Bible Code and the assorted things that followed it (IIRC someone managed to pull a "prophecy" about the deaths of Diana and Dodi out of the text of Moby Dick using similar methods).

Had The Harbinger given something specific about the future that could be used to demonstrate that there was something in it I'd have been more interested. As it stood it seemed like, if it had any truth in it, God was showing us what he had already done rather than what he was going to do. Looking at Scripture I see God giving warnings of what will come rather than hitting people with an event and then throwing a few signs around to show they had been hit. By then they probably figured out they had been hit. The only alternative I could see was that the book was an awfully long-winded way of saying people should repent, but we don't need a book with lots of tales about seals and mystical characters to say that people need to repent.

 

[psalms 91]

It seemed to lean so heavily on one verse and as far as I could tell joined up a few dots after the fact. It's not difficult to join up dots after the fact - just look at The Bible Code and the assorted things that followed it (IIRC someone managed to pull a "prophecy" about the deaths of Diana and Dodi out of the text of Moby Dick using similar methods).

Had The Harbinger given something specific about the future that could be used to demonstrate that there was something in it I'd have been more interested. As it stood it seemed like, if it had any truth in it, God was showing us what he had already done rather than what he was going to do. Looking at Scripture I see God giving warnings of what will come rather than hitting people with an event and then throwing a few signs around to show they had been hit. By then they probably figured out they had been hit. The only alternative I could see was that the book was an awfully long-winded way of saying people should repent, but we don't need a book with lots of tales about seals and mystical characters to say that people need to repent.

The message was that if we continue down this road then judgement will continue to fall and bring this country down.

 

[tango]

The message was that if we continue down this road then judgement will continue to fall and bring this country down.

I got that, which essentially means that the book was nothing more than a very long-winded story to say that God's people should repent. The message is also somewhat lost because America doesn't have the same status that Israel had in OT times, so there's no reason to assume that the people living in the US who are not Christians should have any additional interest in repenting. Where God's people fall into sin we can expect warnings and consequences; where non-Christians are concerned we have to wonder why nonbelievers from the US are any more significant than nonbelievers from any other nation. If the US faces such dire judgment why doesn't, say, Norway?

 

[psalms 91]

I got that, which essentially means that the book was nothing more than a very long-winded story to say that God's people should repent. The message is also somewhat lost because America doesn't have the same status that Israel had in OT times, so there's no reason to assume that the people living in the US who are not Christians should have any additional interest in repenting. Where God's people fall into sin we can expect warnings and consequences; where non-Christians are concerned we have to wonder why nonbelievers from the US are any more significant than nonbelievers from any other nation. If the US faces such dire judgment why doesn't, say, Norway?

Maybe because as much as some want to deny it we are as ancient Israel as we were founded as a Godly nation and enjoyed the blessings and prosperity of God until we started moving away from God. Anyone who cnat see this country in decline now is blind just as ancient Israel was. We have not repented so it continues until we do fall

 

[tango]

Maybe because as much as some want to deny it we are as ancient Israel as we were founded as a Godly nation and enjoyed the blessings and prosperity of God until we started moving away from God. Anyone who cnat see this country in decline now is blind just as ancient Israel was. We have not repented so it continues until we do fall

Whatever the founding basis was (and there's some dispute over that statement) what difference do you think that makes? God chose Israel and unless you can show that God chose America that parallel doesn't apply.

If moving away from God is the cause for decline why do you suppose countries like Norway and Sweden haven't imploded by now? Norway's sovereign wealth fund grew so large it had to be split in two. If "moving away from God" on a national scale results in judgment why hasn't Norway been completely destroyed by now?

 

[psalms 91]

Whatever the founding basis was (and there's some dispute over that statement) what difference do you think that makes? God chose Israel and unless you can show that God chose America that parallel doesn't apply.

If moving away from God is the cause for decline why do you suppose countries like Norway and Sweden haven't imploded by now? Norway's sovereign wealth fund grew so large it had to be split in two. If "moving away from God" on a national scale results in judgment why hasn't Norway been completely destroyed by now?

Because those countruies were not founded upon God to begin with and if you dont think thta America wasnt founded by God and upon God then you are one of the ones trying to rewrite history. I dont even try discussing this as I know most really are blind and think everything is OK. It doesnt matter to me what anyone else believes as I will just continue to try toprepare so as not to get caught up in whatever God will do to this nation. Personally I believe we have moved to far down the road to pull this country back/

 

[tango]

Because those countruies were not founded upon God to begin with and if you dont think thta America wasnt founded by God and upon God then you are one of the ones trying to rewrite history. I dont even try discussing this as I know most really are blind and think everything is OK. It doesnt matter to me what anyone else believes as I will just continue to try toprepare so as not to get caught up in whatever God will do to this nation. Personally I believe we have moved to far down the road to pull this country back/

How was this country founded by God more than any other country? There's really no point making assertions unless you're willing to discuss them - if all you're going to do is say "this is true, end of" and not discuss there's no point posting at all.

Perhaps I'm misreading something somewhere along the lines, but I struggle to see how "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" represents a Christian country - if Congress is not allowed to respect or prohibit religion how does that turn into "America was founded by God"?

Looking to prepare for whatever is coming further down the line is nothing to do with whether or not the country was founded by God. And if you're talking about "pull(ing) this country back", what do you want to pull it back to?

 

[psalms 91]

Back to God to what it was right after 9=11 that we have so convienitely moved away from once again. A reverance for God, laws that reflect that reverance, that is what I want to see us back to. As far as discussing the other I have done that to boredom and and have seen all the arguments for why we werre not a christian nation. I have no desiure to rehash that garbage.

 

[tango]

Back to God to what it was right after 9=11 that we have so convienitely moved away from once again. A reverance for God, laws that reflect that reverance, that is what I want to see us back to. As far as discussing the other I have done that to boredom and and have seen all the arguments for why we werre not a christian nation. I have no desiure to rehash that garbage.

The church may have sought to move back to God after 9-11 but what about those who didn't believe in God?

The last thing I want is laws that impose Christian standards on people who do not believe. When God allows us to choose to bless his name or curse him, why would we want laws that take away the choice that God himself gave us? And when we see the huge variety in interpretation of Scripture, whose interpretation of Scripture gets enshrined in law? And just for good measure, in a country that is essentially governed by those who are elected by the people what do you think would happen if/when the majority of the country is not only non-Christian but an adherent of another faith? At present Islam seems like the obvious candidate to take over but it could just as easily be atheism. Do you really want laws mandating another faith's practises? If you break the separation of church and state that's what you'll get sooner or later.

The idea of a "Christian nation" is frankly silly. A lump of land can't have a faith and to imply that everybody in a nation has a choice made for them thanks to an accident of birth is really rather daft. John 3:16 doesn't say that "whosoever was born on this hallowed land shall not perish".

If you're bored of rehashing the issue of the foundations of America perhaps you could point to a link that discusses it? From what I can see of the First Amendment it's about separating church and state so people can worship, or not worship, as they please. So if I want to worship Jesus, Vishnu, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Kim Kardashian I get to do as I please and the state won't stand in my way.

 

[psalms 91]

The church may have sought to move back to God after 9-11 but what about those who didn't believe in God?

The last thing I want is laws that impose Christian standards on people who do not believe. When God allows us to choose to bless his name or curse him, why would we want laws that take away the choice that God himself gave us? And when we see the huge variety in interpretation of Scripture, whose interpretation of Scripture gets enshrined in law? And just for good measure, in a country that is essentially governed by those who are elected by the people what do you think would happen if/when the majority of the country is not only non-Christian but an adherent of another faith? At present Islam seems like the obvious candidate to take over but it could just as easily be atheism. Do you really want laws mandating another faith's practises? If you break the separation of church and state that's what you'll get sooner or later.

The idea of a "Christian nation" is frankly silly. A lump of land can't have a faith and to imply that everybody in a nation has a choice made for them thanks to an accident of birth is really rather daft. John 3:16 doesn't say that "whosoever was born on this hallowed land shall not perish".

If you're bored of rehashing the issue of the foundations of America perhaps you could point to a link that discusses it? From what I can see of the First Amendment it's about separating church and state so people can worship, or not worship, as they please. So if I want to worship Jesus, Vishnu, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Kim Kardashian I get to do as I please and the state won't stand in my way.

Yup same old same old and it doesnt change the fact of what this nation was. In the 1800's or early 1900's this would have been unthinkable and it was indeed a christian nation whether people like it or not right after 9-11 people were praying and turning back to God but that did not last long so we proceed down the road of judgement. It is disheartning to see christians who deny our dependance on God as a nation and oppose moving us back to a nation turning to God