Was the blood moon experience a disappointment?

[visionary]

I defined them as God did, they are for "sign and seasons".. signs [rare coincidences of feasts and eclipses at the same time].. seasons.. we are in the fall season of earth's history. We are in the end times. The universe clock is now ticking. The curtain will come up and the prophecies will be fulfilled in rapid order.

 

[tango]

I defined them as God did, they are for "sign and seasons".. signs [rare coincidences of feasts and eclipses at the same time].. seasons.. we are in the fall season of earth's history. We are in the end times. The universe clock is now ticking. The curtain will come up and the prophecies will be fulfilled in rapid order.

The trouble with something as vague as "signs and seasons" is that I could say the same about my birthdays. But I can be more specific than any of the commentaries about the blood moons, simply because on my 41st birthday we were exactly one year closer to The End than we were on my 40th birthday.

For a sign to be useful it has to point to something. A sign that just says "watch out, something bad is here, but maybe not just yet" isn't much of a sign.

 

[Alithis]

I defined them as God did, they are for "sign and seasons".. signs [rare coincidences of feasts and eclipses at the same time].. seasons.. we are in the fall season of earth's history. We are in the end times. The universe clock is now ticking. The curtain will come up and the prophecies will be fulfilled in rapid order.

whaaat? God said they are for signs and seasons ? not only for seasons .. your kidding right ...

 

[MoreCoffee]

I defined them as God did, they are for "sign and seasons".. signs [rare coincidences of feasts and eclipses at the same time].. seasons.. we are in the fall season of earth's history. We are in the end times. The universe clock is now ticking. The curtain will come up and the prophecies will be fulfilled in rapid order.

That sounds almost like astrology. Are you sure that the words "And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so." (Genesis 1:14-15) are intended to teach that the sun, moon, and stars are to serve as signs pointing to future events? The NIV (quoted above) makes it sound like they are to serve as signs pointing to the changes in seasons and days and years with no hint of astrology or foretelling future momentous events.

 

[visionary]

And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be

1.) for signs and
2.) for seasons and
3.) for days and
4.) for years, and
5,) let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth."

 

[visionary]

"signs" is othoth, a plural of the word oth, which comes from the root meaning "to come". So even in the word itself is a sign of something or some One to come.

Jeremiah 10:2 "And be not dismayed at the signs of the heavens, for the heathen are dismayed at them."

The word "seasons" does not denote merely what we call the four seasons of the year, but cycles of time. It is appointed time (from the verb to point out, appoint). It occurs three more times in Genesis, each time in connection with the promised Seed.

Genesis 17:21, "At this set time in the next year";
Genesis 18:14, "At the time appointed I will return"; and
Genesis 21:2, "At the set time of which God had spoken."

Genesis 1:14 is therefore, "They (the sun, moon, and stars) shall be for signs (things to come) and for cycles (appointed times)."

When you read more deeply into the very words used there is a distinct declaration from God, that the heavens contain not only a Revelation concerning things to come in the "Signs," but also concerning appointed times in the wondrous movements of the sun, and moon, and stars.

Job talked about the Mazzaroth which is different than astrology which scripture speaks against. The Mazzaroth - an old Hebrew word translated as the 'Twelve Signs'. The signs in heaven tell of the glory of God, shew his handywork, and sheweth knowledge.

Ps 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun"

The signs in the heavens are not anyone's personal character analysis or their future prediction as astrology interprets it.

Is 47:12 "Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them..."

 

[visionary]

There are references to these constellations in the book of Job, along with an explanation of why they appear as they do in the heavens. Job 26 tells us that the “crooked serpent” is one of God’s leading characters in this drama of the ages and that these constellations — these “pillars of heaven” — make up the “parts” of God’s “ways”:

“The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

“By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

“Lo, these are parts of his ways … (Job 26:11,13-14).

The Mazzaroth is one of God's rarely read "books" on the story of redemption. Most don't even know what the "pillars of heaven" are. They are like sign posts that tell you how far into the story of redemption we are. These are "parts of His Ways"... He is the Truth, the Light, and the WAY. .. The Mazzaroth is just one of them. The Feast Eclipses are another tick in the time clock of heaven telling us it is time for the end time events to come to a close. We are in the end days. The old world has not long to go before His return.

 

[visionary]

Ever do a study on the "ages"?

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world [some translations use "ages"]?

"ages" refers to the 1260 cycle of the Mazzaroth. You have heard of the "age of Aquarius"? The Southern Cross has not even been seen in Jerusalem area since Yeshua because we have moved on to the next constellation house, makes the timing interesting. When Yeshua said that about the sign of they coming, they were at the end of Pisces, the age they were living in. We are now entering into the age of Aquarius and I believe it is the end of age that Yeshua prophesied about. Aquarius is living water, which Yeshua is. Yeshua said that in the time of the end there will be a sign in the sky, Matt 24:30 “the sign of the Son of man in heaven” I have to ask... what "sign" would that be?

 

[visionary]

I am thinking that “The star of Bethlehem” will appear once again in the constellation of Virgo just 5 days before “The Feast of the Trumpets” soon ..either in 2015, 2016 or 2017 [guessing at this point]. This is an undeveloped concept. This came rising from the study of Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman [Virgo] clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

This is also because of the cluster of celestial events. Here is some of the astronomical activity, between the years 2014-2017, which I believe is extremely significant to us today.

2014

A Total Lunar Eclipse (The Moon Will Turn To Blood) will occur on April 15th, the 1st High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread.

A Total Lunar Eclipse (The Moon Will Turn To Blood) will occur October 8th, the 1st High Sabbath of Sukkot.

2015

A Total Solar Eclipse (The Sun Will Turn Dark) will occur on March 20th, the 1st day of Aviv. This is the first day of the year on Yahweh’s moadim (set-apart feast) calendar.

A Partial Lunar Eclipse (The Moon Will Turn To Blood) will occur on April 4th, the 1st High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread

A Partial Solar Eclipse (The Sun Will Turn Dark) will occur on September 13th, the day of Yom Teruah (The Feast of the Trumpets).

A Total Lunar Eclipse (The Moon Will Turn To Blood) will occur on September 28th, the 1st High Sabbath of Sukkot.

2016

A Total Solar Eclipse(The Sun Will Turn Dark) will occur on March 9th which is the 1st of Aviv. This is the first day of the year on Yahweh’s moadim (set-apart feast) calendar.

A Pernumbral Lunar Eclipse will occur on March 23rd on the 1st High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. Also, Mercury (the Savior planet) will go into super conjunction with the Sun at this same time.

An Annual Solar Eclipse (The Sun Will Turn Dark) will happen on September 1st, which is Yom Teruah (The Feast of the Trumpets) on Yahweh’s moadim (set-apart feast) calendar.


A Pernumbral Lunar Eclipse will occur on September 16th on the 1st High Sabbath of Sukkot.

 

[visionary]

Job 38:33 “Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?”

God asks you a question just like He asked Job back then... after all these centuries, do you think we know more or less about the "ordinances of heaven"?

 

[visionary]

Ps 147:4 “He telleth the number of the stars; He calleth them all by their names.”

God never does anything without purpose. God gave man the right to name the animals. But God didn't allow man to name the stars. He named them. He has a purpose in their names. I believe it has to do with the "story of redemption" written in the stars. In Genesis 15, the story is given of Abraham and the covenant made by God with him.

Genesis 15:5: “And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward the heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, so shall thy seed be.”

Now I have to ask you, why did God point to the heavens for Abraham to look at? What is up there? What does it mean to "tell the stars"? Here is a hint.

Psalm 147:4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

Is 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

 

[visionary]

I am going to tell you a story... and you tell me how this verse fits in.....Judges 5:20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.

Here is the story...

Judges 4:2 And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles. .....

God sets up the events....

7 And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand.

God tells who and how it will happen...

9 And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.

And sure enough that is what happened. ...

13 And Sisera gathered together all his chariots, even nine hundred chariots of iron, and all the people that were with him, from Harosheth of the Gentiles unto the river of Kishon.

I am going to ask you how did Deborah know this

14 And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the LORD hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the LORD gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him. 15 And the LORD discomfited Sisera, and all his chariots, and all his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sisera lighted down off his chariot, and fled away on his feet. 16 But Barak pursued after the chariots, and after the host, unto Harosheth of the Gentiles: and all the host of Sisera fell upon the edge of the sword; and there was not a man left. 17 Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite.

And just as Deborah said, it was at the hands of a woman...

18 And Jael went out to meet Sisera, and said unto him, Turn in, my lord, turn in to me; fear not. And when he had turned in unto her into the tent, she covered him with a mantle. ....:22 And, behold, as Barak pursued Sisera, Jael came out to meet him, and said unto him, Come, and I will shew thee the man whom thou seekest. And when he came into her tent, behold, Sisera lay dead, and the nail was in his temples.

And there it is... Talk of the heavens and stars regarding this battle....Go figure.

Judges 5:20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be

1.) for signs and
2.) for seasons and
3.) for days and
4.) for years, and
5,) let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth."

You appear to be relying on the KJV rather than on what the text says in its original language. Surely the NIV offers an accurate translation into English yet you've ignored it's wording.
Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky

1. to separate the day from the night,
2. and let them serve as signs
   • to mark seasons
   • and days
   • and years,
3. and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.

And it was so. (Genesis 1:14-15)

 

[visionary]

You appear to be relying on the KJV rather than on what the text says in its original language. Surely the NIV offers an accurate translation into English yet you've ignored it's wording.
Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky

1. to separate the day from the night,
2. and let them serve as signs
   • to mark seasons
   • and days
   • and years,
3. and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.

And it was so. (Genesis 1:14-15)

NIV more accurate??? .... Gen 1:14
¶
And God H430 said, H559 Let there be lights H3974 in the firmament H7549 of the heaven H8064 to divide H914 the day H3117 from the night; H3915 and let them be for signs, H226 and for seasons, H4150 and for days, H3117 and years: H8141

אוֹת
Transliteration
'owth
Pronunciation
ōth (Key)
Part of Speech
feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Probably from אוֹת (H225) (in the sense of appearing)


H226 is used in the following manner: sign(s) (60x), token(s) (14x), ensign(s) (2x), miracles (2x), mark (1x).

sign, signal
a distinguishing mark
banner
remembrance
miraculous sign
omen
warning
token, ensign, standard, miracle, proof

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אוֹת ʼôwth, oth; probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:—mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.

 

[MoreCoffee]

NIV more accurate??? ....

Yes, the NIV is more accurate in conveying what is said in the Hebrew text using the English language and less like English words strewn across the page in the same order as the Hebrew words but with little attention to their meaning in English.

If the NIV offends you then there are many other English bibles that use the same wording.
¶ Then God said,

“Let there be lights across [Lit. lights in the expanse of] the sky

1. to distinguish day from night,
2. to act as signs
   • for seasons,
   • days, and
   • years,
3. to serve as lights in [Lit. lights in the expanse of] the sky, and to shine on the earth!”

​

And that is what happened: [Lit. And so it was] (Genesis 1:14-15 The Holy Bible: International Standard Version)

 

[tango]

The problem remains with the claim that the blood moons are a sign, and that is the simple question, "a sign of what?"

Here are a few examples of Scriptural prophecies (emphasis is mine):

Isa 49:23 Kings shall be your foster fathers, And their queens your nursing mothers; They shall bow down to you with their faces to the earth, And lick up the dust of your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD, For they shall not be ashamed who wait for Me."

Eze 20:38 I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

Zec 2:9 For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for their servants. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.

You can see the recurring theme here. An event is predicted, paired with "then you will know that...". So the sign is clear, and the conclusion is clear. But the blood moon theories say little more than "it's a sign, it's a sign" with no indication as to what it points to. And general talk of the world going south doesn't cut it because that could be used to "confirm" the "sign" that me getting older is the cause of the woes, and a vague correlation can be used to demonstrate that global warming is caused by a decline in piracy on the high seas, and so on.

If we're going to claim that something is a sign, let's hope it's a sign more useful than this one (and this is a genuine sign, I've seen it for myself)

 

[visionary]

Yes, the NIV is more accurate in conveying what is said in the Hebrew text using the English language and less like English words strewn across the page in the same order as the Hebrew words but with little attention to their meaning in English.

If the NIV offends you then there are many other English bibles that use the same wording.
¶ Then God said,

“Let there be lights across [Lit. lights in the expanse of] the sky

1. to distinguish day from night,
2. to act as signs
   • for seasons,
   • days, and
   • years,
3. to serve as lights in [Lit. lights in the expanse of] the sky, and to shine on the earth!”

​

And that is what happened: [Lit. And so it was] (Genesis 1:14-15 The Holy Bible: International Standard Version)

And one step better is to go to the lexicon and check out the meaning of the Hebrew word... like this...
H226 is used in the following manner: sign(s) (60x), token(s) (14x), ensign(s) (2x), miracles (2x), mark (1x).

sign, signal
a distinguishing mark
banner
remembrance
miraculous sign
omen
warning
token, ensign, standard, miracle, proof

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אוֹת ʼôwth, oth; probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:—mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And one step better is to go to the lexicon and check out the meaning of the Hebrew word... like this...
H226 is used in the following manner: sign(s) (60x), token(s) (14x), ensign(s) (2x), miracles (2x), mark (1x).

sign, signal
a distinguishing mark
banner
remembrance
miraculous sign
omen
warning
token, ensign, standard, miracle, proof

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אוֹת ʼôwth, oth; probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:—mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.

The trouble with going to a lexicon is that if you are not fluent in the language you'll probably get all sorts of incorrect ideas about what a word means in a specific context. But if you are fluent in ancient Hebrew then okay ... are you fluent in it?

 

[visionary]

The trouble with going to a lexicon is that if you are not fluent in the language you'll probably get all sorts of incorrect ideas about what a word means in a specific context. But if you are fluent in ancient Hebrew then okay ... are you fluent in it?

You do know why there is a lexicon available for everyone. It is because it doesn't take rock scientist to figure out the jist of what the word means...

sign, signal
a distinguishing mark
banner
remembrance
miraculous sign
omen
warning
token, ensign, standard, miracle, proof

Take your pick

 

[MoreCoffee]

Are you fluent in ancient Hebrew? visionary