Infant Baptism

[Full O Beans]

Washing in the water of the word...the word of truth, Jesus Christ.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Washing in the water of the word...the word of truth, Jesus Christ.

ῥήματι is not "logos" the word .... ῥήματι means say.

 

[Full O Beans]

ῥήματι is not "logos" the word .... ῥήματι means say.

I believe the word is the Greek, "rhema", used in that passage.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I believe the word is the Greek, "rhema", used in that passage.

It's ῥήματι hremati it isn't logos the word. The bride of Christ is washed in water and spoken words which is what baptism is.

 

[Full O Beans]

It's ῥήματι hremati it isn't logos the word. The bride of Christ is washed in water and spoken words which is what baptism is.

The water of the word, the rhema of God, the Truth that cleanses and sets us free.

Baptism is the symbol of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection and by being immersed in water, we are making a public confession of our new identity in Christ.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The water of the word, the rhema of God, the Truth that cleanses and sets us free.

Baptism is the symbol of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection and by being immersed in water, we are making a public confession of our new identity in Christ.

Baptism is not a symbol. Baptism actually does wash away sins. The holy scriptures say so (Acts 22:16).

 

[Full O Beans]

Baptism is not a symbol. Baptism actually does wash away sins. The holy scriptures say so (Acts 22:16).

Baptismal water does nothing physically or spiritually, just as the scriptures say....not as for the washing away of dirt from the body but as one comes to it saved, with a clear conscience, already cleansed of sin, one identifies with the Lord Jesus Christ, making a public confession of his faith.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I can't take you word for it over the express word of holy scripture which says baptism washes away sins.

 

[Lamb]

Baptism washes away sins as MoreCoffee has said and that is because God's Word is in baptism, Jesus told the disciples to baptize, we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in baptism and put on the righteousness of Christ. All these things are God's doing in baptism. We receive baptism (be baptized). We can't do anything in baptism. It's purely gift talk.

 

[Lamb]

. Do you force salvation on people?

If your child was in a coma and decision was needed to save his/her life or wait for him/her to wake up and make the decision...which would you do?

God gives faith in baptism by His Word. His Word is preached before the baptism and the baby is baptized into the triune God's name. There is no need to deny a child God's benefits that are connected to the cross, to the forgiveness won there, to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit as Acts 2:38 states and Acts 2:39 insists for parents that it IS FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

 

[Full O Beans]

If your child was in a coma and decision was needed to save his/her life or wait for him/her to wake up and make the decision...which would you do?

God gives faith in baptism by His Word. His Word is preached before the baptism and the baby is baptized into the triune God's name. There is no need to deny a child God's benefits that are connected to the cross, to the forgiveness won there, to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit as Acts 2:38 states and Acts 2:39 insists for parents that it IS FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

No, everyone is given a measure of faith. A person chooses to activate it when he hears the word of truth about Jesus Christ. Then---that person is able to be taught about baptism and is able to choose to obey about it.

Baptism in water is not an act of the will by OTHERS on a person!

Acts 2:38 and 39 do not instruct us to baptize our children. That salvation is a promise for our children is a promise that we have a legacy of faith to pass on to our children. It is still theirs to choose or reject

 

[TurtleHare]

A person chooses to activate faith? That's not in my bible. God is always the one at work by His Word to be it us to faith and it's not up to us but God who activates it so to give man some power that isn't in scripture is going off someplace that shouldn't be gone to. Where is God in all that for you??

 

[Josiah]

True enough...

BUT where does the Bible specifically state that you may baptize or teach MARRIED people! Where, WHERE does it STATE that???!!!!!!! It does NOT! And can you DOCUMENT and PROVE from the written words of God in the Bible that there were MARRIED people baptized in the Bible, CAN YOU FIND EVEN ONE EXAMPLE OF A MARRIED PERSON BEING BAPTIZED IN THE BIBLE! No, you cannot. Don't lie, you CANNOT. So, it is wrong and false and unbiblical and blasphemy and stupid to baptize married people! NOTHING in the Bible says to do that! NOTHING in the Bible shows Jesus or the Apostles doing that! It therefore MUST be denied and forbidden! You MUST withhold it from any and not permit this to happen!

Come on! Pay attention to the BIBLE!



- Josiah (being terribly sarcastic - most unusual for him but nothin' else works, lol). :wink:



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[Full O Beans]

A person chooses to activate faith? That's not in my bible. God is always the one at work by His Word to be it us to faith and it's not up to us but God who activates it so to give man some power that isn't in scripture is going off someplace that shouldn't be gone to. Where is God in all that for you??

Yes, God works on us and in us by His Spirit, and He says He has given to every man a measure of faith to believe the truth about Jesus. It is up to mankind to respond to the truth he hears---either to accept the message of personal salvation or to reject it.

God asks us to choose this day whom we will serve! He says today is the day of salvation! A baby has no understanding of spiritual things. That is why we are charged by God to teach them. Baptizing them is religion run amok, doing what one thinks is right, rather than what God says.


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[Josiah]

This thread is not about whether God is rendered impotent by those under the age of X.

It's about the new, rare tradition invented by Mr. Thomas Muenzer in the 16th Century that we must withhold baptism from any under the age of X - thus protesting the old, universal practice (going back at least to 69 AD at the very latest) of not so withholding it.

We've been told - for 62 pages now - that there is a verse that states this prohibition, this mandate that we withhold baptism to any under the age of X - but so far, none have been willing to quote the verse, just persistently stating such a verse exists. Instead, some have offered a wide diversity of verses that don't mention any age at all, nor ANY prohibitions whatsoever. While still others simply refuse to discuss the issue of the thread at all - they insist this new invention of Mr. Muenzer is correct but then change the subject to DIFFERENT matters since the seem either unwilling or unable to support this new tradition of a prohibition for those under the age of X.

Again, this thread is NOT about whether those under the age of X render God impotent, unable, incapable. It's about this new, rare tradition that we are forbidden to baptize any under the age of X (paedobaptism).



Thank you.


- Josiah




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[Full O Beans]

We are not to withhold baptism from anyone who believes. Babies just do not believe.

Nowhere in scripture is anyone saved by proxy, nor can they be baptized by proxy. The faith of a parent or guardian of a baby is not transferable. Each person on the face of the earth is given a choice to receive or reject salvation. We are given a wonderful charge by our God---His trust is in us---to teach our little ones the way of salvation. Once a child is old enough to grasp the fact that he is a sinner and nothing without Jesus, and accepts the way of salvation by his own faith, we are then instructed to teach him about baptism and other doctrines of our faith (biblical, of course!) and allow him to choose to obey God in the waters of baptism, which is his public confession of faith in Christ.


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[MoreCoffee]

Persistent repeating of error does not change it into orthodoxy.,

 

[Full O Beans]

Persistent repeating of error does not change it into orthodoxy.,

It seems to be that it does, in the case of the RCC and others who follow suit.

 

[psalms 91]

Very definitely

 

[TurtleHare]

. The faith of a parent or guardian of a baby is not transferable. ]

You wrote in another post "He says He has given to every man a measure of faith to believe the truth about Jesus"

I wish you'd make up your mind what you believe because you sure do make a mess of it.