Is any error cpable of separating one from God?

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I should not be surprised that you would deny carnal christians, I will stick to the truth which is easy enough to verify by walking in any church and seeing how many are spiritual

How can you SEE who is spiritual?

 

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How can you SEE who is spiritual?

We are fruit inspectors.

 

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Saint Paul never heard of a "Carnal Christian" the concept is very modern and very wrong.

No, it isn't new, or wrong. Paul warns us against carnality very clearly.

 

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No, it isn't new, or wrong. Paul warns us against carnality very clearly.

Yes, saint Paul warns against worldliness and its consequences but he never heard of a Carnal-Christian, the very idea is anathema to the teaching of Christ.

 

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Yes, saint Paul warns against worldliness and its consequences but he never heard of a Carnal-Christian, the very idea is anathema to the teaching of Christ.

Yeah he knew of it and saw it right before his eyes. Carnality is worldliness, persistent immaturity, and the evidence of an unchanged heart.

1 Corinthians 3:1-4
As a matter of fact, my friends, I could not talk to you as I talk to people who have the Spirit; I had to talk to you as though you belonged to this world, as children in the Christian faith. 2 I had to feed you milk, not solid food, because you were not ready for it. And even now you are not ready for it, 3 because you still live as the people of this world live. When there is jealousy among you and you quarrel with one another, doesn't this prove that you belong to this world, living by its standards? 4 When one of you says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos”—aren't you acting like worldly people?

 

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Yeah he knew of it and saw it right before his eyes. Carnality is worldliness, persistent immaturity, and the evidence of an unchanged heart.

1 Corinthians 3:1-4
As a matter of fact, my friends, I could not talk to you as I talk to people who have the Spirit; I had to talk to you as though you belonged to this world, as children in the Christian faith. 2 I had to feed you milk, not solid food, because you were not ready for it. And even now you are not ready for it, 3 because you still live as the people of this world live. When there is jealousy among you and you quarrel with one another, doesn't this prove that you belong to this world, living by its standards? 4 When one of you says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos”—aren't you acting like worldly people?

Carnality and persistent worldliness is enmity with God as the holy scriptures say:

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, indeed it cannot; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:1-8)​

 

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Carnality and persistent worldliness is enmity with God as the holy scriptures say.

Exactly what I am saying. So, what's the problem? You do know that Paul was scolding the people, don't you?

 

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Exactly what I am saying. So, what's the problem? You do know that Paul was scolding the people, don't you?

a "Carnal person" is not a Christian

 

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a "Carnal person" is not a Christian

Yes, Christians can be, and far too many are carnal. We are instructed by God to be diligent about that. It is said by many, and true that we as Christians are in the world but we are not of the world.

Paul was speaking to Christians about their being carnal rather than mature, spiritually-minded people.

 

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Yes, Christians can be, and far too many are carnal. We are instructed by God to be diligent about that.

Romans 8 says they cannot be. It is explicit. The carnal mind is opposed to Cod and is not subject to God's law nor can it be.

 

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Romans 8 says they cannot be. It is explicit. The carnal mind is opposed to Cod and is not subject to God's law nor can it be.

Many Christians out of ignorance and spiritual laziness allow the world and its ways of thinking, speaking and behaving to creep in and to influence them to act in the same ways. They need instruction, discipling and correction. It doesn't always mean they are not believers.

 

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Many Christians out of ignorance and spiritual laziness allow the world and its ways of thinking, speaking and behaving to creep in and to influence them to act in the same ways. They need instruction, discipling and correction. It doesn't always mean they are not believers.

Romans 8 says otherwise.

 

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Romans 8 says otherwise.

Nothing in any book of the Bible says otherwise.

Some people are false converts and still need to experience salvation, while others are born again and have failed to be diligent in their walk, and have compromised. It doesn't mean they are not saved. It means they need correction and to confess their slackness to God and to return to the ways of righteousness.

Re-read Romans 8:1!

 

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Nothing in any book of the Bible says otherwise. ...

Romans 8 says otherwise.

With the arrival of Jesus, the Messiah, that fateful dilemma is resolved. Those who enter into Christ's being-here-for-us no longer have to live under a continuous, low-lying black cloud. A new power is in operation. The Spirit of life in Christ, like a strong wind, has magnificently cleared the air, freeing you from a fated lifetime of brutal tyranny at the hands of sin and death. God went for the jugular when he sent his own Son. He didn't deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant. In his Son, Jesus, he personally took on the human condition, entered the disordered mess of struggling humanity in order to set it right once and for all. The law code, weakened as it always was by fractured human nature, could never have done that. The law always ended up being used as a Band-Aid on sin instead of a deep healing of it. And now what the law code asked for but we couldn't deliver is accomplished as we, instead of redoubling our own efforts, simply embrace what the Spirit is doing in us. Those who think they can do it on their own end up obsessed with measuring their own moral muscle but never get around to exercising it in real life. Those who trust God's action in them find that God's Spirit is in them--living and breathing God! Obsession with self in these matters is a dead end; attention to God leads us out into the open, into a spacious, free life. Focusing on the self is the opposite of focusing on God. Anyone completely absorbed in self ignores God, ends up thinking more about self than God. That person ignores who God is and what he is doing. And God isn't pleased at being ignored.
(Romans 8:1-8)

 

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Romans 8 says otherwise.

With the arrival of Jesus, the Messiah, that fateful dilemma is resolved. Those who enter into Christ's being-here-for-us no longer have to live under a continuous, low-lying black cloud. A new power is in operation. The Spirit of life in Christ, like a strong wind, has magnificently cleared the air, freeing you from a fated lifetime of brutal tyranny at the hands of sin and death. God went for the jugular when he sent his own Son. He didn't deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant. In his Son, Jesus, he personally took on the human condition, entered the disordered mess of struggling humanity in order to set it right once and for all. The law code, weakened as it always was by fractured human nature, could never have done that. The law always ended up being used as a Band-Aid on sin instead of a deep healing of it. And now what the law code asked for but we couldn't deliver is accomplished as we, instead of redoubling our own efforts, simply embrace what the Spirit is doing in us. Those who think they can do it on their own end up obsessed with measuring their own moral muscle but never get around to exercising it in real life. Those who trust God's action in them find that God's Spirit is in them--living and breathing God! Obsession with self in these matters is a dead end; attention to God leads us out into the open, into a spacious, free life. Focusing on the self is the opposite of focusing on God. Anyone completely absorbed in self ignores God, ends up thinking more about self than God. That person ignores who God is and what he is doing. And God isn't pleased at being ignored.
(Romans 8:1-8)

What version is that?

 

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What version is that?

An interesting one

 

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An interesting one

Please state the version. It isn't scripture.

 

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Please state the version. It isn't scripture.

If you reckon it isn't scripture then why worry?

 

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If you reckon it isn't scripture then why worry?

There is no cause to worry when scripture is pitted against a loose paraphrase or commentary.

It is disingenuous to pose it as scripture or to quote something without naming the source.

 

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It is a well known and much loved translation.

EDIT PS: It is THE MESSAGE a translation that has many of the features of a loose functional equivalence.