The end of the world

[JustTheFacts]

How many times has the world been predicted to end according to Bible prophecy?

Why do some people continue to believe in these predictions despite them not coming true?

By focusing on the future, religious leaders can ignore the beast that prophecy says has been corrupting the Church since the beginning. I've sat in Churches numerous times listening to nonsensical theology that cannot be proven from scripture, and heard Christians mesmerized with shouts of "Amen" and "Come Lord Jesus" in response. Christians are taught to watch for the end times with the Antichrist, Rapture and Tribulation (ART) so that you don't focus on the beast and the Mother of All Prostitutes that are in the Church now! Think about it, if there is a "Mother of All Prostitutes" in the Church, there must be a nest of prostitutes present in it too.

People will die and find out the truth about Jesus--this is what they should focus on--preparing for their eternity rather than focusing on the end times. Besides, the end time is not what has been represented. Revelation claims that during the last days, there won't be much of a Church left--as it is located in a camp surrounded by Satan and his followers that number like the sand in the sea (Revelation 20:8-9). According to Daniel and Revelation we still have about 300 years to go until we get there, so we can stop watching and waiting for the end of times--at least for now.

 

[Frankj]

By focusing on the future, religious leaders can ignore the beast that prophecy says has been corrupting the Church since the beginning. I've sat in Churches numerous times listening to nonsensical theology that cannot be proven from scripture, and heard Christians mesmerized with shouts of "Amen" and "Come Lord Jesus" in response. Christians are taught to watch for the end times with the Antichrist, Rapture and Tribulation (ART) so that you don't focus on the beast and the Mother of All Prostitutes that are in the Church now! Think about it, if there is a "Mother of All Prostitutes" in the Church, there must be a nest of prostitutes present in it too.

People will die and find out the truth about Jesus--this is what they should focus on--preparing for their eternity rather than focusing on the end times. Besides, the end time is not what has been represented. Revelation claims that during the last days, there won't be much of a Church left--as it is located in a camp surrounded by Satan and his followers that number like the sand in the sea (Revelation 20:8-9). According to Daniel and Revelation we still have about 300 years to go until we get there, so we can stop watching and waiting for the end of times--at least for now.

I'm having trouble understanding that 300 years thing in relation to Revelation 20:8-9, especially in light of Revelation 20:7

Could you explain this in more depth to make it clear?

 

[JustTheFacts]

I'm having trouble understanding that 300 years thing in relation to Revelation 20:8-9, especially in light of Revelation 20:7

Could you explain this in more depth to make it clear?

The vision of the Ram and the Goat describe the entire New Covenant of Jesus. This visions corresponds and connects directly to Nebuchadnezzar's vision of the statue, and in Revelation the seven seals followed by the seven angels. In addition, the transformation of the woman starting in Revelation chapter twelve and continuing through Chapter sixteen of Revelation describe the full hour of the New Covenant.

In his vision, Daniel hears a conversation from holy ones about how long the New Covenant of Jesus with a corrupted Church will last:

13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who spoke, “How long will the vision about the continual burnt offering, and the disobedience that makes desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the army to be trodden under foot be?” 14 He said to me, “To two thousand and three hundred evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary will be cleansed.” (Daniel 8:13-14)

Daniel’s whole vision of the ram and goat addressed the continual burnt offering requirements of the Law and how Jesus’ sacrifice was prophesied to replace it.

The Kingdoms of Bronze and Iron are not fully dedicated to Jesus and their worship is tainted—they follow theology rather than the word of God so Jesus as the temple is desolate and “trodden under foot.” The temple of Jesus will not be cleansed until the arrival of the eternal Kingdom of God. The holy ones tell the world through Daniel that the sanctuary will be corrupted for 2,300 evenings and mornings. This cannot be a reference to days, so it must be a reference to years.

The last days will be 2,300 years after the Kingdom of God through Jesus first became corrupted by false teachers. From Revelation 12:14-16, it was revealed that the Church of Jesus Christ was taken over very quickly by false teachers. The disciples were protected for about 3-1/2 years after Jesus’ sacrifice and this correlates to approximately 33 AD. After this protection the persecution and executions of the disciples and followers of Jesus started. The spiritual battle for control of the word of God started and the temple of Jesus was ruled by false teachers.

The end of the New Covenant is therefore prophesied to occur 2,300 years after the disciple’s commissioning of the Church in approximately 33 AD.

This is the prophecy in a nutshell and all prophecy validates the same story. The Church became corrupted immediately after the disciples commissioned the start-up of it, and the corruption is still present today. John validated the corruption through 1 John 2:18-19, but you won't hear this interpretation of that verse. Jesus warned his eyewitnesses during the Olivet Discourse to watch out for being led astray, and they were--the disciples appointed a bunch of slick pretenders to take over the Church from them--the founders of the Catholic Church. All--not some-prophecy in Daniel and Revelation validate this.

 

[JustTheFacts]

Daniel 9:24-27 explain the details of Jesus mission and tell of the corruption of the Church throughout the entire New Covenant. Revelation 8:1 is one of the most important prophetic verses because it explains the transition from the Bronze to the Iron/Clay Kingdom and the return of Jesus.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I'm having trouble understanding that 300 years thing in relation to Revelation 20:8-9, especially in light of Revelation 20:7

Could you explain this in more depth to make it clear?

I realize I provided some background information but didn't address the connection to Revelation 20:8-9. The New Covenant will last one hour per God's timing. Jesus told the woman that his hour had not yet come--this was a reference to the One Hour of the New Covenant. The first six seals describe the Kingdom of Bronze--the reign of the Catholic Church, then the seventh seal describes the transition to the Iron/Clay Kingdom. The first four angels describe the Iron/Clay Kingdom that corresponds to the return of Jesus for 1,000 years, then the last three angels describe the last days and judgment--the final woe. The last three angels describe the final days battle like that addressed in Revelation 20:8-9.

What you have is the book of Revelation is split into two complete descriptions of the New Covenant of Jesus with different details. Chapters 1-11 of Revelation take readers through the Church at the beginning through the entire New Covenant and include a description of what God wanted the Church to be, then Chapter 12 starts from the beginning of the New Covenant to provide additional details of the Bronze and Iron/Clay Kingdoms. Ove the next 300 years the Church will continue to degrade and by the last days there will only be a few Christians left--the world will be full of Satan lovers and the end will come. This is not the ART theology spread throughout the Church.

 

[Frankj]

The vision of the Ram and the Goat describe the entire New Covenant of Jesus. This visions corresponds and connects directly to Nebuchadnezzar's vision of the statue, and in Revelation the seven seals followed by the seven angels. In addition, the transformation of the woman starting in Revelation chapter twelve and continuing through Chapter sixteen of Revelation describe the full hour of the New Covenant.

In his vision, Daniel hears a conversation from holy ones about how long the New Covenant of Jesus with a corrupted Church will last:

13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who spoke, “How long will the vision about the continual burnt offering, and the disobedience that makes desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the army to be trodden under foot be?” 14 He said to me, “To two thousand and three hundred evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary will be cleansed.” (Daniel 8:13-14)

Daniel’s whole vision of the ram and goat addressed the continual burnt offering requirements of the Law and how Jesus’ sacrifice was prophesied to replace it.

The Kingdoms of Bronze and Iron are not fully dedicated to Jesus and their worship is tainted—they follow theology rather than the word of God so Jesus as the temple is desolate and “trodden under foot.” The temple of Jesus will not be cleansed until the arrival of the eternal Kingdom of God. The holy ones tell the world through Daniel that the sanctuary will be corrupted for 2,300 evenings and mornings. This cannot be a reference to days, so it must be a reference to years.

The last days will be 2,300 years after the Kingdom of God through Jesus first became corrupted by false teachers. From Revelation 12:14-16, it was revealed that the Church of Jesus Christ was taken over very quickly by false teachers. The disciples were protected for about 3-1/2 years after Jesus’ sacrifice and this correlates to approximately 33 AD. After this protection the persecution and executions of the disciples and followers of Jesus started. The spiritual battle for control of the word of God started and the temple of Jesus was ruled by false teachers.

The end of the New Covenant is therefore prophesied to occur 2,300 years after the disciple’s commissioning of the Church in approximately 33 AD.

This is the prophecy in a nutshell and all prophecy validates the same story. The Church became corrupted immediately after the disciples commissioned the start-up of it, and the corruption is still present today. John validated the corruption through 1 John 2:18-19, but you won't hear this interpretation of that verse. Jesus warned his eyewitnesses during the Olivet Discourse to watch out for being led astray, and they were--the disciples appointed a bunch of slick pretenders to take over the Church from them--the founders of the Catholic Church. All--not some-prophecy in Daniel and Revelation validate this.

So what of the part about after a thousand years (generally called the millennium from what I understand, when Jesus rules) Satan being unleashed? Are you suggesting we are already 700 years into it?

I'm not fitting this all together so I can make sense of it.

 

[JustTheFacts]

Yes, we are 700 years into it. Revelation 8:1 describes the transition to the Iron/Clay Kingdom which describes the present day Church.

Returning to Revelation 8:1, the seventh seal, together with the 2,300 years of the New Covenant from Daniel 8:13-14, I find the following:

The Kingdom of Iron equals 1,000 years and this equals 26 minutes (1,000 years/2,300 year x 60 minutes = 26 minutes)
The Kingdom of Bronze is 1,300 years and this equals thirty-four minutes of God’ time (1,300 years/2,300 years x 60 minutes = 34 minutes)

This confirms that each portion of the hour of Jesus—the New Covenant, are “about half an hour” and this fulfills Revelation 8:1. This is great, but can I calculate when the Bronze and Iron/Clay transition occurred? Earlier I calculated that from Daniel 8:13-14 the last days will be in 2,333 AD. Considering that the Iron/Clay Kingdom is just before the last days, if I know the length of time of the last days, I can calculate the exact transition of the Bronze Kingdom to the Iron/Clay Kingdom. To determine the details about the last days, I need to return to chapter eight of Revelation to find out what happens during and after the Iron/Clay Kingdom.

The prayers coming from the Kingdom of God during the Iron/Clay Kingdom will be rejected by God:

2 Another angel came and stood over the altar, having a golden censer. Much incense was given to him, that he should add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 The smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand. 5 The angel took the censer, and he filled it with the fire of the altar, then threw it on the earth. Thunders, sounds, lightnings, and an earthquake followed. (Revelation 8:2-5)

Why were the prayers of God’s people prophesied to be rejected by God and returned in anger? The seven angels pouring out the wrath of God explain why (Revelation 8:6-10:8), ending with a little book. The announcements by the seven angels through trumpets describe the ongoing spiritual battle that will continue through the Iron/Clay Kingdom. The Gospel may be free and people will have a choice for worship of Jesus, but there will not be peace in the Kingdom of God called the Church.

 

[denise]

How many times has the world been predicted to end according to Bible prophecy?

Why do some people continue to believe in these predictions despite them not coming true?

Only the father knows none of us no

 

[Oseas3]

How many times has the world been predicted to end according to Bible prophecy?

Why do some people continue to believe in these predictions despite them not coming true?

Only the father knows none of us no

JESUS left very clear the signs of His coming, and of the END of the world (Devil's world, of course).
2Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The world of Devil, with its nations as a whole, and with all kind of its structures, I mean religious system, and politic system, and economic, military, social,and so on, they are already sufferring and will continue sufferring catastrofic and insufferable punishments in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. Now, even now, from now on, there will be only and only SEVERE and unbearable, inssusfferable punishments. Get ready, if you're not ready yet to face what's coming soon.

By the way, this current precedent period of sorrows -Matthew 24:3-8 have a list of events made by JESUS- and it is still running, and it is a period of transition to the beginning of the ETERNAL/EVERLASTING chastisement, understand? There will not be any gap between this period of sorrows and the begining of the ETERNAL chastisement, it is a suscessive and immediate event of massive punishment, understand?

In fact, the EVERLASTING punishment of all nations, it had a deadline to start, but have not to end, it's forever, understand? As we can understand by the Word of GOD, it is forever and ever, the Word is GOD, the Word is self-executing, the Word of GOD is from everlasting to the everlasting, for GOD is Omnipotent, and Omnipresent, and OMNISCIENT.

I must say that we are living in the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium, so the Eternal punishment is already started, it started FIRST by THE CURRENT PERIOD of period of sorrows-MATTHEW 24:3-8, so from now on it will NEVER end, but never.
Now, within this environment of punishments and pains, and the entire collapse of the Devil's world, the false messiah of the Jews, as you know, will manifest himself, as JESUS prophesied to the Jews, saying to them that an IMPOSTOR they will receive as their messiah-John 5:43-47, combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, and Revelation 13 :11-18, among other biblical references. Take a look.

Thus, in the midst of severe chastisement and great suffering in all nations due the WRATH of the Lamb, we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth, through the fifth Universal and satanic Kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom-Daniel 2:41-44:
1st - the ancient Gentile Beast of the Sea-Revelation 13:1-10;
2nd - the Beast of the earth (from Israel) who will still manifest himself as messiah-a false lamb, with two horns-Revelation 13:11-18.
Yes, I repeat, we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth, through the fifth Universal kingdom, a religious and satanic Kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom-Daniel 2:41-44: from then on will begin the period of the last week(of years), the 70th week Daniel 9:27, and each Beast will reign for 3.5 years-42 months-or 1260 days - and who will first rule the 5th and last kingdom of the Devil-Daniel 2:41-44, combined with Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2, is the MAN Beast of sea-Revelation 13:1-9;


Then Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5 will begin to LITERALLY be fulfilled as to the FIRST period of the last week, the first ruler of the 1st half of the last week is the old Gentile Beast of the sea. The worst of all punishments will happen in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week, with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1290 days-Daniel 12:v.11. GET READY
Well, Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the WICKED shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Daniel 12:10
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days-Dan.12:12. (Oh yes, blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335 - Hallelujaaah!!!, 45 days aftger the end of the period of 1290 days).

Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?
The current world as a whole are being chastised severely, strongly, but the worst is to still come, actually all the nations, all the world of Devil, with all kind of structures they all have, yeah, all the nations, are sufferring and will suffer catastrofic and severe punishment, mainly from now on.

Get ready

Matthew 25:6 &10-
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM.
10 -> and they that were(are) ready went (go) in with Him to the marriage(Revelation 19:8-9, take a look): and the door was(is) shut.

Luke 18:8- Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[JustTheFacts]

JESUS left very clear the signs of His coming, and of the END of the world (Devil's world, of course).
2Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The world of Devil, with its nations as a whole, and with all kind of its structures, I mean religious system, and politic system, and economic, military, social,and so on, they are already sufferring and will continue sufferring catastrofic and insufferable punishments in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. Now, even now, from now on, there will be only and only SEVERE and unbearable, inssusfferable punishments. Get ready, if you're not ready yet to face what's coming soon.

By the way, this current precedent period of sorrows -Matthew 24:3-8 have a list of events made by JESUS- and it is still running, and it is a period of transition to the beginning of the ETERNAL/EVERLASTING chastisement, understand? There will not be any gap between this period of sorrows and the begining of the ETERNAL chastisement, it is a suscessive and immediate event of massive punishment, understand?

In fact, the EVERLASTING punishment of all nations, it had a deadline to start, but have not to end, it's forever, understand? As we can understand by the Word of GOD, it is forever and ever, the Word is GOD, the Word is self-executing, the Word of GOD is from everlasting to the everlasting, for GOD is Omnipotent, and Omnipresent, and OMNISCIENT.

I must say that we are living in the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium, so the Eternal punishment is already started, it started FIRST by THE CURRENT PERIOD of period of sorrows-MATTHEW 24:3-8, so from now on it will NEVER end, but never.
Now, within this environment of punishments and pains, and the entire collapse of the Devil's world, the false messiah of the Jews, as you know, will manifest himself, as JESUS prophesied to the Jews, saying to them that an IMPOSTOR they will receive as their messiah-John 5:43-47, combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, and Revelation 13 :11-18, among other biblical references. Take a look.

Thus, in the midst of severe chastisement and great suffering in all nations due the WRATH of the Lamb, we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth, through the fifth Universal and satanic Kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom-Daniel 2:41-44:
1st - the ancient Gentile Beast of the Sea-Revelation 13:1-10;
2nd - the Beast of the earth (from Israel) who will still manifest himself as messiah-a false lamb, with two horns-Revelation 13:11-18.
Yes, I repeat, we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth, through the fifth Universal kingdom, a religious and satanic Kingdom, the Antichrist's kingdom-Daniel 2:41-44: from then on will begin the period of the last week(of years), the 70th week Daniel 9:27, and each Beast will reign for 3.5 years-42 months-or 1260 days - and who will first rule the 5th and last kingdom of the Devil-Daniel 2:41-44, combined with Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2, is the MAN Beast of sea-Revelation 13:1-9;


Then Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5 will begin to LITERALLY be fulfilled as to the FIRST period of the last week, the first ruler of the 1st half of the last week is the old Gentile Beast of the sea. The worst of all punishments will happen in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week, with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1290 days-Daniel 12:v.11. GET READY
Well, Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the WICKED shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Daniel 12:10
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days-Dan.12:12. (Oh yes, blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335 - Hallelujaaah!!!, 45 days aftger the end of the period of 1290 days).

Has eternal punishment begun? Will be?
The current world as a whole are being chastised severely, strongly, but the worst is to still come, actually all the nations, all the world of Devil, with all kind of structures they all have, yeah, all the nations, are sufferring and will suffer catastrofic and severe punishment, mainly from now on.

Get ready

Matthew 25:6 &10-
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM.
10 -> and they that were(are) ready went (go) in with Him to the marriage(Revelation 19:8-9, take a look): and the door was(is) shut.

Luke 18:8- Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Hi Denise, Did you see my post about the "seven" and the "woman?" It explains the seven of Daniel and it isn't what you've described. I've studied the theology you have presented and have been in discussion with numerous religious leaders to try to get them to explain to me how they come up with the seven of Daniel referring to some last seven year period of doom. John said the antichrists were already in the Church so what are Christians waiting for?

I ask religious leaders and Christians questions about this and get them frustrated and they bail on me. Can you please explain to me how the theology you've presented based on the seven of Daniel is found in the word of God? Furthermore can anyone explain to me why God provided us numerous details of the coming of Jesus, but then, again according to religious leader theology, God described nothing for the future of the Church until that seven year end of time period. It just doesn't seem like God would do that--in fact it seems ridiculous.

 

[SetFree]

By focusing on the future, religious leaders can ignore the beast that prophecy says has been corrupting the Church since the beginning. I've sat in Churches numerous times listening to nonsensical theology that cannot be proven from scripture, and heard Christians mesmerized with shouts of "Amen" and "Come Lord Jesus" in response. Christians are taught to watch for the end times with the Antichrist, Rapture and Tribulation (ART) so that you don't focus on the beast and the Mother of All Prostitutes that are in the Church now! Think about it, if there is a "Mother of All Prostitutes" in the Church, there must be a nest of prostitutes present in it too.

People will die and find out the truth about Jesus--this is what they should focus on--preparing for their eternity rather than focusing on the end times. Besides, the end time is not what has been represented. Revelation claims that during the last days, there won't be much of a Church left--as it is located in a camp surrounded by Satan and his followers that number like the sand in the sea (Revelation 20:8-9). According to Daniel and Revelation we still have about 300 years to go until we get there, so we can stop watching and waiting for the end of times--at least for now.

I have to respectfully disagree with the above.

Lord Jesus doesn't give useless essays meant to be cast in the wastebasket. He gave us His Olivet discourse SIGNS of the 'end' leading up to His future coming so we would 'watch' so as to not be deceived (Matthew 24; Mark 13). And the SIGNS He gave in His Olivet discourse are the Seals of Revelation 6. The very last SIGN He gave was that of His future coming, and it shows His coming will emphatically be AFTER the "great tribulation".

So in reality, those who listen to God in His Word instead of men's fantasies of what they think... The Bible says, will be prepared to go through the coming trials and "great tribulation", just because of Lord Jesus giving us the SIGNS of what to be watching and expect. And He did that for His that listen to Him, and not to man.

The majority of what you say in your post is indeed involving a lot of un-Biblical interpretations that exist in some Churches. One such Pop doctrine of men you mention is that idea of Mother of All Prostitutes, the MYSTERY, BABYLON THE HARLOT of Revelation 17. Some of men's doctrines misinterpret what the Rev.17 Harlot Mystery is about, claiming it is about the Antichrist sitting over the corrupt Church. That is not what the Harlot of Revelation is about. The very last verse of Rev.17 says the "woman", which is about that Harlot, is a "great city", and Rev.11:8 defined which "great city" that is, where our Lord was crucified, which means JERUSALEM. This Biblical fact is easy to understand for those who have actually studied all their Bible, because in Ezekiel 16 is where God gives a discourse about the city of Jerusalem, from the time when it belonged to the pagan Jebusites, down to when the children of Israel rebelled against Him to go into idol worship, and He then called Jerusalem a harlot. God there even gave very strong... descriptions of how a harlot plays lover to all those around her, applying that specifically to the city of JERUSALEM.

A proper Bible study about end time prophecy reveals a coming false-Messiah to JERUSALEM to play GOD, The Christ, working great signs and wonders that will deceive the whole world, except those whose names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Rev.13:4-8).

 

[JustTheFacts]

I have to respectfully disagree with the above.

Lord Jesus doesn't give useless essays meant to be cast in the wastebasket.

I agree. Every word of God is intentional and meaningful.

He gave us His Olivet discourse SIGNS of the 'end' leading up to His future coming so we would 'watch' so as to not be deceived (Matthew 24; Mark 13).

Actually Matthew's author Nicodemus was not present for this discourse so he copied it from Marks author James,. who was there. So you are saying God provided end of time details so we would watch out not to be deceived? That makes no sense. Jesus told us to believe and this is the present tense. That whole discourse was predicting the future of only the disciples.
Mark 13:5 "Be careful that no one leads YOU astray."
Mark 13:7 "When YOU hear of wars and rumors of wars"
Mark 13:9 "But watch YOURSELVES, for they will deliver YOU up to councils. YOU will be beaten in synagogues. YOU will stand before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony to them.

Mark 13:10 "10 The Good News must first be preached to all the nations."
BUT BEFORE ALL THIS HAPPENS THESE DISCIPLES WILL DOCUMENT THEIR TESTIMONY! IT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS CAN BE FULFILLED!

Mark 13:11 "When they lead YOU away and deliver YOU up, don’t be anxious beforehand, or premeditate what YOU will say,

and so on...

Mark 13:30 "Most certainly I say to YOU, THIS GENERATION will not pass away until all these things happen."

The whole discourse is about the disciples and what the false teachers will do to them and the CJC. But Jesus told the world to take heart because God would protect his words:

Mark 13:31 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."

And the SIGNS He gave in His Olivet discourse are the Seals of Revelation 6. The very last SIGN He gave was that of His future coming, and it shows His coming will emphatically be AFTER the "great tribulation".

The last seal is the transition for the reign of the Catholic Church to end in the fourteenth century. The Gospel is no longer under the control of the beast.

So in reality, those who listen to God in His Word instead of men's fantasies of what they think... The Bible says, will be prepared to go through the coming trials and "great tribulation", just because of Lord Jesus giving us the SIGNS of what to be watching and expect. And He did that for His that listen to Him, and not to man.

The great tribulation ended with the ending of the reign of the Catholic Church who controlled the CJC through intimidation, persecution and control of society and the word of God.

The majority of what you say in your post is indeed involving a lot of un-Biblical interpretations that exist in some Churches. One such Pop doctrine of men you mention is that idea of Mother of All Prostitutes, the MYSTERY, BABYLON THE HARLOT of Revelation 17. Some of men's doctrines misinterpret what the Rev.17 Harlot Mystery is about, claiming it is about the Antichrist sitting over the corrupt Church. That is not what the Harlot of Revelation is about. The very last verse of Rev.17 says the "woman", which is about that Harlot, is a "great city", and Rev.11:8 defined which "great city" that is, where our Lord was crucified, which means JERUSALEM. This Biblical fact is easy to understand for those who have actually studied all their Bible, because in Ezekiel 16 is where God gives a discourse about the city of Jerusalem, from the time when it belonged to the pagan Jebusites, down to when the children of Israel rebelled against Him to go into idol worship, and He then called Jerusalem a harlot. God there even gave very strong... descriptions of how a harlot plays lover to all those around her, applying that specifically to the city of JERUSALEM.

OK, then explain how the woman transforms through the years. You can't just take one reference of the woman and call it true because it fits a verse somewhere else. Feel free to explain to me how the woman applies to this theology from the first reference to a woman then the other references as she changes over time.

A proper Bible study about end time prophecy reveals a coming false-Messiah to JERUSALEM to play GOD, The Christ, working great signs and wonders that will deceive the whole world, except those whose names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Rev.13:4-8).

Why? Jesus replaced the place of worship--he said so himself. Jesus has replaced the temple. John said the antichrist was in the CJC as they were starting it. You have to ignore John's comment to get to your theology. Satan was in the world from the start of the Church and yes, Satan will deceive the whole world. Why are you waiting for the devil to make another appearance? Don't you see Satan all around you now?

 

[SetFree]

I agree. Every word of God is intentional and meaningful.

Actually Matthew's author Nicodemus was not present for this discourse so he copied it from Marks author James,. who was there. So you are saying God provided end of time details so we would watch out not to be deceived? That makes no sense.

I'm not going to argue with non-sensical attitudes.

If you don't care about the SIGNS Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse, recorded both in the Book of Matthew which is from Apostle Matthew, and in the Book of Mark, and even aligned with the Seals in Revelation 6, then you are on your own, and it sounds like you believe men more than those parts of God's written Word. Claiming it as nonsense that Jesus gave those SIGNS of the end so His servants would not be deceived is actually completely AGAINST His very warning, and I'm amazed to hear such a thing.

Mark 13:5
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, "Take heed lest any man deceive you:"
KJV

 

[SetFree]

FOR BRETHREN INTERESTD,

I will be glad to go through line upon line, all those SIGNS of the end leading up to Lord Jesus' future return, and linked with the Seals of Revelation 6 that He also gave His Church so as to be watching and not be deceived at the end of this world.

Oh, I've already done that study, HERE:

Christ's Olivet Discourse, For The End

If you have always heard Christ's Olivet discourse taught with a false bias, like Preterists and Historicists often do with saying it was past history, then you are in for a treat. That because this is a teaching keeping to the actual Scripture as written linked with Bible prophecy about the...

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[JustTheFacts]

FOR BRETHREN INTERESTD,

I will be glad to go through line upon line, all those SIGNS of the end leading up to Lord Jesus' future return, and linked with the Seals of Revelation 6 that He also gave His Church so as to be watching and not be deceived at the end of this world.

Oh, I've already done that study, HERE:

Christ's Olivet Discourse, For The End

If you have always heard Christ's Olivet discourse taught with a false bias, like Preterists and Historicists often do with saying it was past history, then you are in for a treat. That because this is a teaching keeping to the actual Scripture as written linked with Bible prophecy about the...

christianityhaven.com

I went to that post this morning and spent an hour disagreeing with your theology based on your assumptions. It wouldn't let me post anything or even copy it. In summary, your theology is full of holes and I see you didn't address my comments earlier in this post. It's clear that Jesus, in the Olivet Discourse is addressing that generation--his disciples. You have added a few words and used a very unique interpretation of the four living creatures of Revelation to have a beast as the first seal of Revelation. Nonsense, look at the general consensus rather than shop around for support of your theology. I don't do that.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I went to that post this morning and spent an hour disagreeing with your theology based on your assumptions. It wouldn't let me post anything or even copy it. In summary, your theology is full of holes and I see you didn't address my comments earlier in this post. It's clear that Jesus, in the Olivet Discourse is addressing that generation--his disciples. You have added a few words and used a very unique interpretation of the four living creatures of Revelation to have a beast as the first seal of Revelation. Nonsense, look at the general consensus rather than shop around for support of your theology. I don't do that.

Sorry, but I wasted enough time trying to address some of your theology this morning. We'll have to address it here. For starters, you've used the copied version of the account of the Olivet Discourse and there are certain words in the copy that weren't in the original written in the Gospel of Mark. You tend to make conclusions then run with them too. For example, take the sections:

5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places. 8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains. 9 “Then they will deliver you up to oppression and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake. (Matthew 24:6-9)

7 “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, don’t be troubled. For those must happen, but the end is not yet. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places. There will be famines and troubles. These things are the beginning of birth pains. 9 But watch yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils. You will be beaten in synagogues. You will stand before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony to them. (Mark 13:7-9)

How do you get from these verses to claim that this is a description of the end of time? Every generation experiences these things, but Jesus said "they are the beginning of birth pains." This is all about the time of the disciples. Then the powerful verse is next:

Mark 13:10 The Good News must first be preached to all the nations.

These four disciples are to first provide their testimony. It makes sense, but what you claim makes no sense.

After they provide their testimony, including documenting it because that is the only way it will be "preached to all the nations," comes the following:

Mark 13:11 When they lead you away and deliver you up, don’t be anxious beforehand, or premeditate what you will say, but say whatever will be given you in that hour. For it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

You ignore all the references indicating that Jesus is talking to four disciples, then you make assumptions as though it is the word of God. Keep trying....because you WANT the meaning you have concluded, rather than searching for the truth, otherwise you wouldn't have picked one of the very few interpretations of the living creatures as the beast. You have to ignore the living creatures bowing down at the throne and praising God to believe that interpretation, but it fits what you are trying to conclude so you use it.

Blessings....

 

[SetFree]

JustTheFacts is now added to my IGNORE LIST, because he certainly is NOT giving the 'facts' of Christian history nor from The Bible. Because of that I don't know really why he is here on a Christian forum.

Anyone can come to a Christian forum and claim... to be a Christian. Yet the real test of one being a real Christian is certainly not one with a disregard for Lord Jesus Christ The Savior's Own Words in Scripture (like His Olivet discourse).

Nor would a true Christian try to falsely push some textual criticism false claim that Apostle Matthew didn't write the Gospel of Matthew! Especially when the early Church fathers collaborated Apostle Matthew as the author.

 

[Oseas3]

FOR BRETHREN INTERESTD,

I will be glad to go through line upon line, all those SIGNS of the end leading up to Lord Jesus' future return, and linked with the Seals of Revelation 6 that He also gave His Church so as to be watching and not be deceived at the end of this world.

Matthew 24:

There are interesting events in the sermon of JESUS described in Matthew 24

1st EVENT-JESUS PROPHESIED: DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE - DEN OF THIEVES
1- When our Lord came out from the Temple, the disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the Temple. (Certainty they were exultant and excited and talked with the Lord of the greatness and beauty of the Temple)
2- And JESUS said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

See, the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy. What JESUS said above was LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD, around 40 years after His ascension. There should never again be built another similar man-made Temple, or the old Temple-the den of the thieves- never came to be rebuilt as it had been before.

Notice that concerning the destruction of the Temple", it has nothing to do with Mount Olives; Mount Olives has to do only with the destruction of the world of Devil in this current time, even now, from now on.

When the Temple -the den of thieves- was destroyed at 70AD, the nation of Israel also was simultaneously destroyed, Actually, Israel remained destroyed from 70 to 1948, 1878 years of severe punishments and curses -Deuteronomy 28:15-68- and the Temple -the den of thieves- there should never again be built another. The father of the Jews-John 8:44- will be cast down into the bottomless pit, that he should deceive the nations no more-Revelation 20:1-4.


- 2nd EVENT- DESTRUCTION OF THE DEVIL's WORLD & SIGNS OF JESUS's COMING
3 And JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives. The disciples came unto Him privately, saying: Tell us, when shall these things be?

1- What shall be the sign of thy coming?
2- And of the END of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and gave A LIST of signs unto them, saying the things that AT FIRST will happen:

(1) Take heed that no man deceive you;
(2) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (John 5:43-48); and shall deceive many;
(3) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet;

(4) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; (this will fulfil LITERALLY from now on: Revelation 6: 3-4:->3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword (a demonic MOUTH, to speak of atrocities and cause to kill one another throughout the world).

(5) and there shall be famines;
(6) and pestilences;
(7) and earthquakes, in divers places;
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

JESUS continued warning: All these are the beginning of sorrows . At first, all these things MUST come to pass, but the END is not yet.<--> In fact, the period of sorrows is a PRE-TRIBULATION PERIOD.

But when the END will be? It's easy to know by the Word of GOD:1Corinthians 15:24 reveals.

JESUS continued prophesying and warning His people -His Church- about the signs of His coming, and of the END of the world of Devil even from now on, even in this current time, saying what shall happen with His people in prolongation of this current period of sorrows:

(1) they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you;
(2) and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake;
(3) then shall many be offended;
(4) and shall betray one another;
(5) and shall hate one another.
(6) many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
(7) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

THE PROMISE OF OUR LORD JESUS - MATTHEW 24: 13-14
13-He that shall endure unto the END of the world(1Corinthians 15:24-26), the same shall be saved;
14 The gospel of the Kingdom of GOD(Revelation 11:15) shall be PREACHED in all the WORLD for a witness unto all NATIONS, then shall the END come(1Corinthians 15:24, take a look).


THE WARNING OF JESUS IS FOR ALL
15 So, when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place-in JERUSALEM- the holy city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.-(The terrible event of the great tribulation will happen because Michael will stand up, Michael shall cause the great tribulation in whole Earth: Example: Genesis 19:12-14 combined with Daniel 12:1-3),

Genesis 19:12-14
12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13 For WE WILL DESTROY THIS PLACE (NOW, EVEN IN THIS CURRENT TIME, WILL BE DESTROYED THE WORLD OF DEVIL AS A WHOLE, UNDERSTAND?-REVELATION 11;18) because the cry of them (NOW OF ALL THE NATIONS) waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it. AND EXCEPT THESE DAYS (THESE CURRENT DAYS) should be shortened, there should NO FLESH be saved: but FOR THE ELECT'S SAKE (EXCLUSIVELY) these days shall be shortened.

TO ALL
The NEXT and LAST POPE, yeah, the NEXT and LAST POPE must be elected soon, and ALSO must be MANIFESTED THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH-John 5:43-47, the MAN of sin- 2Thes. 2: 1-4 & 8-12, he yet did not manifeted himself because the SACRIFICE OF JESUS still remains until this time and it will be taken out of the way, and then shall that Wicked be revealed-2Thes.2:8, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. (He is at door)

Then, if any man shall say unto you(Pastors, an Bishops, and Evangelists, and others false preachers of the Word of GOD) , yeah, when they say or preach unto you, Lo, here is Christ-John 5:43-47-, or there, BELIEVE NOT, there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets(false preachers of the Word of GOD), and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, THEY SHALL DECEIVE THE VERY ELECTED. -> (PERILOUS TIMES-Be careful or else get ready)

Our Lord warned : Behold, I have told you before. Matthew 24:25 combined with Revelation 16:15, take a look

Be careful or else get ready

 

[JustTheFacts]

Matthew 24:

There are interesting events in the sermon of JESUS described in Matthew 24

1st EVENT-JESUS PROPHESIED: DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE - DEN OF THIEVES
1- When our Lord came out from the Temple, the disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the Temple. (Certainty they were exultant and excited and talked with the Lord of the greatness and beauty of the Temple)
2- And JESUS said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

See, the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy. What JESUS said above was LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD, around 40 years after His ascension. There should never again be built another similar man-made Temple, or the old Temple-the den of the thieves- never came to be rebuilt as it had been before.

Notice that concerning the destruction of the Temple", it has nothing to do with Mount Olives; Mount Olives has to do only with the destruction of the world of Devil in this current time, even now, from now on.

When the Temple -the den of thieves- was destroyed at 70AD, the nation of Israel also was simultaneously destroyed, Actually, Israel remained destroyed from 70 to 1948, 1878 years of severe punishments and curses -Deuteronomy 28:15-68- and the Temple -the den of thieves- there should never again be built another. The father of the Jews-John 8:44- will be cast down into the bottomless pit, that he should deceive the nations no more-Revelation 20:1-4.

But what about the version in Mark--the original that states "these things," meaning more than one thing (Mark 13:4)? In addition, what was Jesus response to the temple destruction? THE EFFECTS OF FALSE TEACHERS! Surely this means the destruction of him as the temple replacement too.

- 2nd EVENT- DESTRUCTION OF THE DEVIL's WORLD & SIGNS OF JESUS's COMING
3 And JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives. The disciples came unto Him privately, saying: Tell us, when shall these things be?

1- What shall be the sign of thy coming?
2- And of the END of the world?

But this event was copied from Mark's author and that wasn't in his version so it was added later by false teachers. Do you think the false teachers wanted you to focus on the end of the world rather than searching them out? People committing a fraud always do what they can to keep it hidden.

But when the END will be? It's easy to know by the Word of GOD:1Corinthians 15:24 reveals.

But these are the words of Paul that you are referring to and mixing these up with the words of Jesus.

JESUS continued prophesying and warning His people -His Church- about the signs of His coming, and of the END of the world of Devil even from now on, even in this current time, saying what shall happen with His people in prolongation of this current period of sorrows:

(1) they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you;
(2) and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake;
(3) then shall many be offended;
(4) and shall betray one another;
(5) and shall hate one another.
(6) many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
(7) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

These are things the disciples will face.

THE PROMISE OF OUR LORD JESUS - MATTHEW 24: 13-14
13-He that shall endure unto the END of the world(1Corinthians 15:24-26), the same shall be saved;
14 The gospel of the Kingdom of GOD(Revelation 11:15) shall be PREACHED in all the WORLD for a witness unto all NATIONS, then shall the END come(1Corinthians 15:24, take a look).

Yes, this is a command for James, John, Peter, and Andrew to provide their testimony that will spread the words of Jesus throughout the world. A command to write the Gospels!

​

THE WARNING OF JESUS IS FOR ALL
15 So, when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place-in JERUSALEM- the holy city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.-(The terrible event of the great tribulation will happen because Michael will stand up, Michael shall cause the great tribulation in whole Earth: Example: Genesis 19:12-14 combined with Daniel 12:1-3),

Jesus is the abomination of desolation. Jesus replaced the temple as he stated and the Jews boycotted it.

 

[SetFree]

Matthew 24:

There are interesting events in the sermon of JESUS described in Matthew 24

1st EVENT-JESUS PROPHESIED: DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE - DEN OF THIEVES
1- When our Lord came out from the Temple, the disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the Temple. (Certainty they were exultant and excited and talked with the Lord of the greatness and beauty of the Temple)
2- And JESUS said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

....

That above of course is the popular notion, yet today's unbelieving Jews already have the materials ready to build their new 3rd temple in Jerusalem, even the articles for temple worship already made.

Dual Prophecies -- there is such a thing as dual prophecy written in God's Word. The "vile person" role of Daniel 11 is one such example. The difference is that in an earlier fulfillment not all parameters of the prophecy were fulfilled as written. Many interpret Antiochus Epiphanes as having fulfilled the "vile person" prophecy, having taken Jerusalem with an army, going inside the temple then and sacrificing swine on the alter and spreading its broth around inside the temple, thus spiritually desolating it, and then setting up an altar with an idol to Zeus worship, and demanding that all bow to it (per Jewish historian Josephus). Yet the "vile person" prophecy shows he will come to power not using literal military battle , but by peace and flatteries. So there's certain parameters of the "vile person" prophecy Antiochus did not fulfill. It thus means to look for another in 'final' fulfillment.

Likewise with the not one stone atop another. If the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem build their 3rd temple at the end, which they will, because it is 'required' to fulfill the placing of the "abomination of desolation" idol by the Antichrist at the end, then many will begin to see how Lord Jesus was not just pointing to 70 A.D., but to a 'final' destruction on the "day of the Lord" when He will return.

And by the question Christ's disciples with Him on the Mount of Olives asked right after He gave the Sign about not one stone atop another, we can see they understood He was pointing to the end of this present world...

Matt 24:2-3
2 And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
KJV

See Zechariah 14 about that area that will be flattened on the day Jesus returns.

- 2nd EVENT- DESTRUCTION OF THE DEVIL's WORLD & SIGNS OF JESUS's COMING
3 And JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives. The disciples came unto Him privately, saying: Tell us, when shall these things be?

1- What shall be the sign of thy coming?
2- And of the END of the world?
....

(5) and there shall be famines;
(6) and pestilences;
(7) and earthquakes, in divers places;
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

JESUS continued warning: All these are the beginning of sorrows . At first, all these things MUST come to pass, but the END is not yet.<--> In fact, the period of sorrows is a PRE-TRIBULATION PERIOD.

Yeah, and your point is what many brethren miss, or don't have a clue about at all, heeding what men's traditions preach instead, especially the Pre-trib Rapture theory crowd. (sorry pre-tribbers, I'm not actually picking on you, just want you to wake up and get into God's Word for yourself, because I know your preachers aren't covering these Signs like how they are written.)

When Jesus said that, but the END is not yet, He was pointing to the "great tribulation" time as that "end". Many brethren are deceived of what kind... of time the "great tribulation" will be. They instead join the events just before it, those "beginning of sorrows" events, as being the time of "great tribulation". They have failed to understand Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 that the "great tribulation" time is going to be a time of "Peace and safety" (though fake), but what the whole deceived world will believe. What does that point to regarding the coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem?

It suggests this:
1. the "beginning of sorrows" is to serve as a 'contrast' to when the false-Messiah arrives to heal the "deadly wound". It's the old political trick of many rulers who seek to steal power over the people, create chaos, and then present a solution.
2. The appearing of the coming false-Messiah, working great signs and wonders, will be the solution, chicken in every pot IF you only bow in worship to him in place of God. Thus the "end", i.e., the time of
"great tribulation", for the deceived, will be one of "Peace and safety" like Apostle Paul taught.
3. this suggests the actual tribulation concept will in one way be upon Christ's elect, a spiritual/physical tribulation for those of us who will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ.
4. for the deceived and wicked, the actual tribulation idea will be their falling into the trap of false worship ("strong delusion") by that coming false-Messiah, thinking he is God or The Christ having come, or returned. Theirs will be a spiritual tribulation into false worship.

But when the END will be? It's easy to know by the Word of GOD:1Corinthians 15:24 reveals.

JESUS continued prophesying and warning His people -His Church- about the signs of His coming, and of the END of the world of Devil even from now on, even in this current time, saying what shall happen with His people in prolongation of this current period of sorrows:

(1) they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you;
(2) and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake;
(3) then shall many be offended;
(4) and shall betray one another;
(5) and shall hate one another.
(6) many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
(7) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

....

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

That beast is about Satan himself. He "was" back in the old world, meaning God originally created him perfect in his ways as he was highly exalted at God's Throne. Then he coveted God's Throne for himself, and drew a third of the angels into rebellion with him. He "is not", because God ended that old world when Lucifer originally rebelled, and for this present world time Satan has not been re-established upon a throne on earth trying to be GOD, not yet, but he will at the end of this world for the time of "great tribulation".

Therefore, this is NOT about a pope as the Antichrist/false-Messiah.

Satan himself, in person, is coming to earth with his angels, and you read about it in Rev.12:7 forward. When it says there will be no place found for him and his angels in Heaven after that war with Archangel Michael, it means Satan with his fallen angels will be literally... cast OUT OF THE HEAVENLY DIMENSION, down to this earth in OUR EARTHLY DIMENSION. And per God's parable about him in Ezekiel 28, God said He made him the 'full pattern', which means the full pattern of beauty of the IMAGE OF MAN, from GOD's Own Image of Man. He'll probably look like a rendering of Jesus that many have hanging on their living room walls.

Thus the false preaching that the final Antichrist is going to be about a flesh pope, or some flesh man, or that the word 'man' can only mean someone born in the flesh, is just one huge LIE by Satan's children. If you are looking for some flesh man as the final Antichrist, you certainly will be deceived, and not actually understanding what the coming "strong delusion" is going to be about.