unrepentant sin is unforgiven sin (moved from Off Topic)

[Alithis]

Law/Gospel

Very important to know the distinction and that the bible is filled with paradoxes. That's where people get messed up in their theology and lead people astray.

What does the Law say Alithis? What does the Gospel say? And to whom are they applied to and when. All important things to consider when going through scripture.

the Gospel says repent be baptised and you will recieve the Holy Ghost.
God says he will give us a new heart and write his law on it .
tovrepent of sin is to turn away change your mind and not do it ..to turn to jesus and obey him .
what sin does the lord jesus command you to do? none. so when we sin ee are disobeying him.
if we do not stop disobeying him ..we prove we are not following him but following sin.
its all very simple.

 

[Alithis]

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

That is NOT past tense.

if it is present tense then explain this.. for it is present..

"the one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.*8*The one who does what is sinful is of the devil,*because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God*appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.*9*No one who is born of God will continue to sin,*because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.*10*This is how we know who the children of God*are and who the children of the devil*are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love*their brother and sister."


it is also not a single verse.it is part of a whole letter.

carry
Carry on reading the letter and you will find he is speaking of being saved that before hand we all have sin and then once saved and born again of the spirit all things are new. then he goes on to say those in god cannot continue in sin and if we do..that is evidence that we are not yet
born of God...read it all. the original letter has no verses dividing it.

Jesus did not set us free from sin so that we can continue doing sin.

 

[Alithis]

repentance is turning and ceasing ..it is not turning and asking forgiveness then returning and doing it again .

 

[Lamb]

Yet, if we do mess up and return to God, God does forgive us because He died on the cross for our sins.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, that is the good news as well

 

[Hammster]

you need to take care with your accusations for you accuse from a perspective of not recognizing what the lord Jesus has done on the cross .he causes us to enter into that same fellowship being able to present us holy before god without spot of blemish .Tell me, is it blasphemy to preach exactly what the lord Jesus said is to be preached ? repentance for the forgiveness of sins is to be preached he said .but how is it that those that call themselves "Christians "(meaning little Christs) are always the first to oppose the message of repentance . It is not a burden to any one, but the truth of the way to be free of the burden of sin. it is very good news ..but the message must be heeded ,the message must be obeyed . the command is to repent and be baptized .. it is not to only believe .. but to believe and repent .

If you preached the gospel, that would be fine. But you have posted so many anti-gospel things on this site, I really doubt you know it. You want to but such a heavy burden on people. That is utterly shameful.

 

[Hammster]

repentance is turning and ceasing ..it is not turning and asking forgiveness then returning and doing it again .

Be gone, wolf. You are putting heavy burdens on Christ's children.

 

[Hammster]

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[visionary]

There is another way at looking at sin. Here are the three specific Hebrew words that Scripture uses to expose the heart of fallen man.

1. Avon (ah-vone; H5771) translated into English as iniquity. Iniquity means perversity, depravity; rejecting what God says is right or purposefully twisting and distorting it. Having avon means being corrupt. ALL mankind has avon.

2. Khatah (khah-tah; H2403) is another word for sin. It means to miss the mark, like an archer, or to stumble, becoming liable to a penalty. When we go out of bounds, violating God’s principles, He expects us to repent, return and restore covenant with Him.

3. Pesah (peh-shah; H6588) is a Hebrew word for defection and rebellion. It contains the idea of transgression, yet it goes further. Peshah is consciously choosing to ignore God’s commands by identifying with evil. It is a clear act of rebellion. It is making a counter covenant.

So the next time you consider something that is sin, define it further by what type of sin. This is just another way of looking at it deeper.

 

[Brighten04]

if it is present tense then explain this.. for it is present..

"the one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.*8*The one who does what is sinful is of the devil,*because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God*appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.*9*No one who is born of God will continue to sin,*because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.*10*This is how we know who the children of God*are and who the children of the devil*are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love*their brother and sister."


it is also not a single verse.it is part of a whole letter.

carry
Carry on reading the letter and you will find he is speaking of being saved that before hand we all have sin and then once saved and born again of the spirit all things are new. then he goes on to say those in god cannot continue in sin and if we do..that is evidence that we are not yet
born of God...read it all. the original letter has no verses dividing it.

Jesus did not set us free from sin so that we can continue doing sin.

It is Jesus who delivers and keeps us for He is in us. Don't you see? Without Him we can do nothing. When we gave our lives to Lord Jesus we became His. He became responsible for us. It is He who straightens us. It is He who guides us. You seem to think you are the one who is making you holy.

 

[Alithis]

Yet, if we do mess up and return to God, God does forgive us because He died on the cross for our sins.

yes and AGAIN .. the "IF " ..displays that this allows for the tragic sad event ..IF we sin ... which displays that there was an expectation of all deciles that we do not do so . some have interpreted that singular verse in anaer that implies it is a commonality that every one goes on practicing their sins over and over ... but to do so simply displays an unrepentant state ..and there is no forgiveness outside of repentance , we MUST turn from it to cease practicing it in order to be forgiven .
if we feel sorry or regret or remorse .. but harbour in our heart the intent to do it again.. we are not being repentant and god who look on the heart knows this .he is not fooled by the hypocrisy of such an act .

ALso the "IF" is is mot intended to imply that it is OK to sin .. it is NEVER ok to sin ever .not ever not once . it took only one single sin one single act of disobedience to break gods perfect law and so bring death upon all mankind .. not many sins .. just one . so we must NEVER use that "IF " in 1 john 9 to imply that "ouhh its ok dont worry if you sin just confess it and you'll be forgiven." because it is to imply sin is ok .. and it never was never is and never will be .. God does not change .

so to say Yet, if we do mess up and return to God, God does forgive us because He died on the cross for our sins. must not be left as the "incomplete statement" it is . it must be completed with the WHOLE TRUTH that we must repent (turn from it and cease doing it turn to God and obey him from hence forth and ever more )- for if we do not we are simply a practicer of sin . not a practicer of righteousness. and according to his own word .. such a person has not seen God nor knows him. -dont shot the messenger .its simply what the word of God says .

 

[Alithis]

It is Jesus who delivers and keeps us for He is in us. Don't you see? Without Him we can do nothing. When we gave our lives to Lord Jesus we became His. He became responsible for us. It is He who straightens us. It is He who guides us. You seem to think you are the one who is making you holy.

i have never said anything whatsoever that contradicts this statement you have made here . I have never said it is me that makes me Holy .. but i do know that to sin ..or not to sin. remains our own choice .the lord JEsus gave us back that same freedom that both adam and himself had . and knowing that sin leads to death and knowing that christ has seT us free .. why would we then choose to be enslaved again with that which leads us to death ? .. we wouldn't .. yet "some do " and worse .. some neglect TO PREACH REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN .. there is no Godly love in a half truth . we cant preach that sin is ever ok by implication of what we do not say . we cant say it ok you can be forgiven every time you do it .. because it is not ok until they fully repent and stop doing it .
and the word so simply states ..if they do not repent and stop doing it ,they are not of god because .. as you yourself say " It is He who straightens us. It is He who guides us" so if we are truly following him.. we will walk straight and if we are truly guided by him.. at what time will he GUIDE US to sin? .. never !

 

[Brighten04]

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[TurtleHare]

the Gospel says repent be baptised and you will recieve the Holy Ghost.
God says he will give us a new heart and write his law on it .
tovrepent of sin is to turn away change your mind and not do it ..to turn to jesus and obey him .
what sin does the lord jesus command you to do? none. so when we sin ee are disobeying him.
if we do not stop disobeying him ..we prove we are not following him but following sin.
its all very simple.

Do you believe Jesus forgives all your sins?

 

[Alithis]

Do you believe Jesus forgives all your sins?

of course i do ,, what a silly question.. if we obey his command to repent and be baptised for the remission of sin . for it is christ himself who told the disciples

this ... " and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48"You are witnesses of these things.… " .. So don't get upset at folks like me who are simply repeating what the lord JEsus said .

the is no forgiveness without repentance ,never was never will be .
that God forgiveness is offered is unquestionable ,merciful and so very gracious .But he himself has stated how it is to be obtained ... saying "REPENT " and upon doing this he causes us to become a new creature in Christ ,born again brand new and then renews our mind and empowers us with his overcoming power making us absolutely free from sins power and thus not subservient to it .
there is no more "driving controlling force" in us to do it after he has done this and freed us from it .hence .. no need to do it any more except if we love it more then we love God and repent of following god in order to continue in sin.

 

[Alithis]

this entire thread is to present and remind of this basic simple truth that has ,by the will of the flesh in opposition to the will and word of God, been shoved to the background and shrouded in lies by the adversary .. i simply bring it to light again as the lord has lead me into such repentance so that that which i once id ,i do no more by his power at work in me .being made new in spirit and renewed in mind .that which i was a slave to and served in slavery, i no longer am enslaved to and having been made clean, having been washed, having been set free ,i now , by the power of HIS spirit within me ,who is the power of the almighty GOD ,serve the lord jesus in the works of righteousness to do righteously according to his own word and not to practice the works of Sin any more .

this simple reminder i bring again to the light for all to see and know and obey- is this ..

forgiveness of SIN is freely obtained for all. through REPENTANCE of it and no other way .. for God has commanded that all REPENT ..

it does not mater what people argue ..it does not matter what doctrines of devils spew from unrepentant hearts . the truth of God's word is not moved nor changed and we will all be judged according to it ,not according to our own standards but God's word .

if any man or woman believer or unbeliever does not repent of their sin they will not obtain forgiveness from sin because they sin by disobeying the command to repent and disobedience is the sin of rebellion.

so "TODAY is the day or salvation , today if you will not harden your hearts ...." . it is what is written it is what is true .. any true believer will simply say AMEN to the plain simple word of God . we are set free from one in order to obey the other there is no neutral ground where we serve both .

 

[TurtleHare]

No one denies that repentance is involved but the thing you're not getting is that repentance is something that God works within us and He does so by first pounding us down with His Law and then giving us His Gospel and we are changed by the Gospel. The Law does not change us but the Gospel does and you try to keep giving us something that isn't the entire Gospel when you keep spewing your own stuff that is man made and directs us back to ourselves instead of the wonderful work of the cross. You keep teling us to DO DO DO and yet God has DONE DONE DONE. After we receive the glorious gospel, the good news that changes us, the Holy Spirit works within us and sanctifies us. Sanctification and Justification are different and you are the one who is so confused and then trying to tell us we're all going to hell or something.

God saves me. I don't save myself and I can't even contribute one bit to my salvation so please stop suggesting that I have to do it because you sound just like those guys in the bible that Jesus called white washed tombs.

We do need to repent of our sins and I haven't heard a soul deny that except repentance is the work God does within us and He's going to keep working in us until He returns. AT that point, we are in those perfect bodies of the resurrection.

 

[Brighten04]

No one denies that repentance is involved but the thing you're not getting is that repentance is something that God works within us and He does so by first pounding us down with His Law and then giving us His Gospel and we are changed by the Gospel. The Law does not change us but the Gospel does and you try to keep giving us something that isn't the entire Gospel when you keep spewing your own stuff that is man made and directs us back to ourselves instead of the wonderful work of the cross. You keep teling us to DO DO DO and yet God has DONE DONE DONE. After we receive the glorious gospel, the good news that changes us, the Holy Spirit works within us and sanctifies us. Sanctification and Justification are different and you are the one who is so confused and then trying to tell us we're all going to hell or something.

God saves me. I don't save myself and I can't even contribute one bit to my salvation so please stop suggesting that I have to do it because you sound just like those guys in the bible that Jesus called white washed tombs.

We do need to repent of our sins and I haven't heard a soul deny that except repentance is the work God does within us and He's going to keep working in us until He returns. AT that point, we are in those perfect bodies of the resurrection.

Hallelujah!:arms: Hallelujah! :arms: Tell it! The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth! All of the glory belongs to God! :arms:

 

[Alithis]

No one denies that repentance is involved but the thing you're not getting is that repentance is something that God works within us and He does so by first pounding us down with His Law and then giving us His Gospel and we are changed by the Gospel. The Law does not change us but the Gospel does and you try to keep giving us something that isn't the entire Gospel when you keep spewing your own stuff that is man made and directs us back to ourselves instead of the wonderful work of the cross. You keep telling us to DO DO DO and yet God has DONE DONE DONE. After we receive the glorious gospel, the good news that changes us, the Holy Spirit works within us and sanctifies us. Sanctification and Justification are different and you are the one who is so confused and then trying to tell us we're all going to hell or something.

God saves me. I don't save myself and I can't even contribute one bit to my salvation so please stop suggesting that I have to do it because you sound just like those guys in the bible that Jesus called white washed tombs.

We do need to repent of our sins and I haven't heard a soul deny that except repentance is the work God does within us and He's going to keep working in us until He returns. AT that point, we are in those perfect bodies of the resurrection.

i have never suggested any opposing this nor have i suggested you can contribute to your salvation .
i did not tell you to do do do what have i told any one on this thread to "DO" ?

.. JESUS has though . he commanded us to GO and DO .

now that he has saved you .. stop serving sin and "GO" obey the lord jesus .. GO into all the world ..heal the sick ,set the captive free baptizing them in his name and make more disciples .
if any one continues to serve sin and flesh then it simply shows he/she is a servant of sin and flesh and thus ..not a servant of God because JEsus said you cant serve two masters .
i have no idea why you are opposing this simple truth . no one has told you to work for salvation ,no one has told you to earn it, no one has said anything you imply by insinuation and direct accusation . go on back and read the thread you will find what you have accused of me spewing out stuff i have made up .. is actually direct scripture . So if you deem direct scripture to be spewed out made up stuff ?..your in a greater need of repentance then you have realized .


HERE is the things i have been spewing in this thread.................... -> "See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." --- oh look ..its the Bible you claim to believe in .. but now your saying its spewed out made up stuff ??? you need to make up your mind what you believe ,repent and follow the lord JESUS

 

[Brighten04]

i have never suggested any opposing this nor have i suggested you can contribute to your salvation .
i did not tell you to do do do what have i told any one on this thread to "DO" ?

.. JESUS has though . he commanded us to GO and DO .

now that he has saved you .. stop serving sin and "GO" obey the lord jesus .. GO into all the world ..heal the sick ,set the captive free baptizing them in his name and make more disciples .
if any one continues to serve sin and flesh then it simply shows he/she is a servant of sin and flesh and thus ..not a servant of God because JEsus said you cant serve two masters .
i have no idea why you are opposing this simple truth . no one has told you to work for salvation ,no one has told you to earn it, no one has said anything you imply by insinuation and direct accusation . go on back and read the thread you will find what you have accused of me spewing out stuff i have made up .. is actually direct scripture . So if you deem direct scripture to be spewed out made up stuff ?..your in a greater need of repentance then you have realized .


HERE is the things i have been spewing in this thread.................... -> "See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." --- oh look ..its the Bible you claim to believe in .. but now your saying its spewed out made up stuff ??? you need to make up your mind what you believe ,repent and follow the lord JESUS

What I have been trying to tell you is you cannot say what we are doing because you do not know anything about us. You told her to stop serving sin like you know that about her or like you are Patriarch over her. It is Satan that accuses the bretheren. You don't know her from Adam's house cat yet you accuse her of serving sin. Children of God do not serve sin. We serve the Lord. You don't know what our Father has us doing in our lives.I could boast about what I did serving today, but it isn't about me. It is about what Jesus has done,done,done.