unrepentant sin is unforgiven sin (moved from Off Topic)

[Brighten04]

i fully understand what happens .. but the message remains the same .
for some reason you seem intent on acting as if im speaking of you .
i can only be speaking of "you " if you have some sin which you keep doing and have not repented of .. if this is the case then you need to repent ,if not ,then say amen to the truth of the words of the lord Jesus for he is is that said -"repentance for forgiveness is to be preached ."

but now it is you who have added words to the scripture that are not there ..!

for you have said If you have habitual sin, if you confess it He is faithful and He is just to forgive you of the sin and cleanse you of the unrighteousness. Trust the word.

but we cant trust "your "word .. because the scripture says no such thing . it does not say "if you have habitual sin.. "

if you believe in Jesus ..ALL things are possible ..he came to set us fee from the power of sin.. if we are set free from its power then it has no power over us to hold us in habitual sin.. a person in habitual sin is not free .. they are in habitual sin. a slave to it . they need to be saved - to be saved they must repent , be baptised and receive the Holy Ghost .

please repent of the error of the words you have added to the word of God ..

- if you have habitual sin -then you are not free from sin .and the scripture says it very clear ..as follows .

"1 john 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.... try as you all might ( and no one who loves the lord will bother to try ) you cannot ignore what is plainly written in the scripture and you cannot argue against Gods word and win

Is not this post you wrote for me?? And now you are twisting my words. So you will fully understand what I said and meant I will post the scripture.

1John 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

King James Version (KJV)

for you have said If you have habitual sin, if you confess it He is faithful and He is just to forgive you of the sin and cleanse you of the unrighteousness. Trust the word.

but we cant trust "your "word .. because the scripture says no such thing . it does not say "if you have habitual sin.. "

I I use the words but was not quoting scripture here when I WROTE if you have habitual sin. My point remains the same.. When I quote scripture I use book, chapter and verse. I believe you can read so read the scripture.. The scripture clearly says if you are walking in darkness so you lie and you do not the truth. It clearly says if you say you have no sin , as you are saying about yourself, you are deceived and the truth is not in you. Now if you were to confess your sin, He is faithful to forgive you AND cleanse you. So you should take the opportunity .You cannot live under law and grace. You have to let one of them go. You are under the same deception as the Galatians. And the sad part is you don't see it. You keep trying to take the speck of sawdust out of other people's eye, but you don't see the beam in your own eye. You need to sweep around your own front door before your try to sweep around your sisters' and brothers'.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Once we repent, we are forgiven of our sins. All of them. The ones known and unknown. The ones committed and not yet committed. To think that atonement is progressive is nonsense.

How can one repent of sin they are ignorant about?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

We repent(change our mindset) when we come to Christ. We GIVE our lives to Jesus and we die. We DIE to sin. We no longer live sister, but Christ now lives in us. I don't understand why people cannot understand what happens when we give our lives to Christ. If you give your life to Jesus Christ, He owns you, by the Holy Ghost, He possesses you. He is in you, you are in Him. Everything that you are belongs now to Him. If you have habitual sin, if tou confess it He is faithful and He is just to forgive you of the sin and cleanse you of the unrighteousness. Trust the word.

How can one be dead of the flesh and be sinless in the spirit as it says you will be without sin whatsoever, yet still sin? If you are a sinner then you are not in the holy spirit. Sin is one thing. Sin without repentance while claiming to be of Christ is blasphemy.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

yes . where there is much sin the Grace of God is all the more there to make the way of repentance available ..

because - in context " For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. 20The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness[/B] to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

you will note that grace does not reign through continued unrepentant sin.. but it reigns through righteousness .. it is not righteousness to keep sinning ..that is unrighteousness .
Many want to have salvation and keep sinning (it seems )
But this is absolutely impossible -because God has commanded - REPENT- !

if any one refuses to repent of their sin - they are in disobedience and if they do not repent of disobedience.. they will perish .
for salvation begins with repentance and that had never ever changed from the day the lord Jesus said .. repentance for the forgiveness sin will be preached and Peter declared "repent and be baptized every one of you and you will receive the holy Ghost "

the good news has never changed .. Good news God has declared a way for all to be saved from their sin and that way is ...

believe in the one whom he has sent .. -repent and be baptized .. never was the message ..only believe but its OK to keep on sinning . that is a doctrine of devils from the pity of hell a lie from the father of lies and all who cling to it in opposition to the words of the lord and the command to repent ,are not Gods nor do they know God .

forgiveness awaits ..and freedom awaits .. and eternal life awaits .. all those that will obey God and REPENT of their sin .

You do not have good news. You have a heavy burden. And you've deluded yourself to think you are sinless. That shows how superficial you think your sin is. To be sinless is to be like Christ. Not only did He not commit sin, He was perfectly obedient. He had perfect communion. Everything He did was to glorify His Father. To think that you even come close on your best day is blasphemous because you've brought Christ down to your level.

 

[Hammster]

How can one repent of sin they are ignorant about?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

We don't repent of each and every sin. We repent of our sinfulness.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I got a verse.

13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. - Colossians 2:13-14

Again, referring to sin prior to salvation, not repeated, habitual sin after it strikes your conscience

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

Again, referring to sin prior to salvation, not repeated, habitual sin after it strikes your conscience

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

It's says the record of debt is canceled. If it's only the sin prior to conversion, then you have a problem because there's nowhere in scripture where it states that Christ then has to be crucified for every sin after conversion.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Since we all continue to sin, ergo I guess none of us are saved.

A perfect conclusion for one who holds to a Christless, Crossless, Gospel-less religion.




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Being saved or reborn in Christ is not the same as following what is put on your heart because of salvation. I personally must strive to be without sin, as opposed to neglecting to stop what I know is not for me to do. For me it is still sort of a fight. Now approximately five years later, I am being shone that the shame, and chastsizement imputed by God is only temporary, and a means to learn. By one accepting freedom from wants of the flesh a peace comes over them. It's not that you must be without sin because you have knowledge of God and the payment for all sin that was paid by the blood of Christ. You must continually walk and work in the direction of the holy spirit. The payment for sin allows us to stumble and even fall at times. Through grace we can learn and use stumbling blocks as a pedestal towards the direction of God.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

It's says the record of debt is canceled. If it's only the sin prior to conversion, then you have a problem because there's nowhere in scripture where it states that Christ then has to be crucified for every sin after conversion.

He doesn't. That would be the work of man. He paid for all sin. To continue in it repeatedly and knowingly is to insult the act of the self sacrifice of the Christ for our sakes.

That's just a terrible place to be. We are to learn and walk in his teachings and example. You speak of the opposite.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

He doesn't. That would be the work of man. He paid for all sin. To continue in it repeatedly and knowingly is to insult the act of the self sacrifice of the Christ for our sakes.

That's just a terrible place to be. We are to learn and walk in his teachings and example. You speak of the opposite.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

If He paid for all sin, then there's nothing left to be punished for.

 

[psalms 91]

Our walk is a continual walk and we are faced with choices along the way, we can choose to sin and we can reject the leading of the Holy Spirit, we can choose to walk away.

 

[Alithis]

You do not have good news. You have a heavy burden. And you've deluded yourself to think you are sinless. That shows how superficial you think your sin is. To be sinless is to be like Christ. Not only did He not commit sin, He was perfectly obedient. He had perfect communion. Everything He did was to glorify His Father. To think that you even come close on your best day is blasphemous because you've brought Christ down to your level.

you need to take care with your accusations for you accuse from a perspective of not recognizing what the lord Jesus has done on the cross .he causes us to enter into that same fellowship being able to present us holy before god without spot of blemish .Tell me, is it blasphemy to preach exactly what the lord Jesus said is to be preached ? repentance for the forgiveness of sins is to be preached he said .but how is it that those that call themselves "Christians "(meaning little Christs) are always the first to oppose the message of repentance . It is not a burden to any one, but the truth of the way to be free of the burden of sin. it is very good news ..but the message must be heeded ,the message must be obeyed . the command is to repent and be baptized .. it is not to only believe .. but to believe and repent .

 

[Alithis]

if we continue to sin knowing it to be wrong, THEN we are crucifying Christ over and over . If ,as many here declare , we are forgiven from sin we have -then ,once we have repented and ceased from doing it and have been forgiven ,THEN no sin is imputed to me-for he has worked godly repentance in me and i am born again of the spirit of God and so while i was a sinner and a slave to it ..i am now forgiven and free from it ,never having to return to doing it or SERVING it ever again(that is what FREE means ) ... and indeed, if we walk IN HIM and he IN US how can we sin? can we say lord i obey you while i covet this other mans things ..or, lord i obey you while i lust over this woman or man ? no that is impossible. We cannot serve Christ while we serve the flesh - if we are in habitual sin then we are a slave to it and not free and have a need to be set free and saved ..what sin am i guilty off when the highest authority had declared me Innocent in Christ Jesus ?
but if i then go and do a sin ..-.then- i become guilty again of doing it .

repentance is not confessing and saying sorry .. it is ceasing from doing it ,turning and going another way -Gods way and doing Gods will from here on in. repentance is what we are called to . even commanded .
why accuse the messenger of sin ? is it to detract attention from ones own heart so that ones own heart is not dealt with ?
every time i speak this message of repentance for the forgiveness of sins .. as the lord Jesus himself said was to be preached i get such accusations as you offer here . but only from those who refuse to acknowledge they have sin and repent of it .

so many say .."oh your saying your sinless" .."you cant judge me they say" .. but in doing so are they not declaring they have no wrong and nothing to repent of ?are they not declaring themselves to be without sin ,denying their own unrepentance and have no error ? do they not then lie and have no truth in them by doing so .? they say ..oh no no we can sin and then ask forgiveness ,then sin again and ask forgiveness then sin again and ask forgiveness .. "we do no wrong ,,do not judge us ."-. I assure you in the name of the lord Jesus ,you do err greatly for you deem yourselves to be without sin while in the very act of UN-repentance, which is disobedience ..which is sin . --REPENT and be saved from your sin .

 

[Alithis]

Is not this post you wrote for me?? And now you are twisting my words. So you will fully understand what I said and meant I will post the scripture.

1John 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

King James Version (KJV)



I I use the words but was not quoting scripture here when I WROTE if you have habitual sin. My point remains the same.. When I quote scripture I use book, chapter and verse. I believe you can read so read the scripture.. The scripture clearly says if you are walking in darkness so you lie and you do not the truth. It clearly says if you say you have no sin , as you are saying about yourself, you are deceived and the truth is not in you. Now if you were to confess your sin, He is faithful to forgive you AND cleanse you. So you should take the opportunity .You cannot live under law and grace. You have to let one of them go. You are under the same deception as the Galatians. And the sad part is you don't see it. You keep trying to take the speck of sawdust out of other people's eye, but you don't see the beam in your own eye. You need to sweep around your own front door before your try to sweep around your sisters' and brothers'.

just a side point .. you do realize that chapter and verse were not in the letter when he wrote it .. the whole letter is the message not the verse you stop at .. so if you continue to read the letter john wrote, you will find he goes on to say that those who are in Christ ..do not continue to sin and he goes on to say that if they do continue to sin then they do not Know Christ .

you also will do well to take note that he says "if we say we have not "sinned"-.. he uses a past tense - i have never said i have not sinned .. for if i had never sinned then i would not have need his salvation .. but i did sin and now he has saved me from my sin and set me free. that i may now go and do his will .preach the gospel ,heal the sick ,set the captive free baptize in his name and make disciples ..these things are his will (it was never his will for us to sit in a meeting 1 hr each Sunday and do little else ) .. he did not save me and set me free so i can go back to sinning again .. for if i do .. the text you have quoted above says i walk in darkness (to walk in darkness is to carry of doing sinful things and thinking you are ok.. that is a blind wicked darkness ) and if we do that then we lie and the truth is not in us . so we see no mater which way you look at it the word of God is true .
we cannot continue to sin and think we will be saved .. and to even suggest such a thing is to oppose the command of God to all mankind that we MUST REPENT to be saved .

 

[Alithis]

How can one repent of sin they are ignorant about?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

a very correct question .. they cannot . nor can they repent of a sin they have not yet committed .. nor will they commit it if they have truly repented ...

if i rise one day and think i will get me a free loaf of bread down at the shop in wickedtown i will steal it .. and eat and enjoy it . then i go and do so i sin.

but if i have repented of such a life style and follow the lord Jesus .. and i rise in the morning and the lord says to my heart , go into uptown and help a widow there with both aid and the gospel ... how can i go to wickedtown to steal and sin.. and at the same time go to uptown and do the will of the lord ? i simply cannot ..i have turned away from following the path to wickedtown and follow Jesus to uptown .. but if i say with my lips only ..i follow Jesus .. but then i turn and go back down the path to wickedtown to steal and sin .. then my actions show that i have not repented i have only admitted my wrong -even if i feel remorse for my wrong i have still not repented because there i am ..going that same direction.. i have not turned around to folow the lord Jesus .

just so if we admit our sin and even be sorry for it .. but do not repent of it .. then we continue in it and will perish in it ..
So says the lord God to all mankind .. "REPENT .... and be baptized and you will receive the Holy Spirit" (the Spirit of eternal life )

 

[TurtleHare]

Are you seriously saying that Jesus did so much work on the cross but if you don't do yours then you're still going to hell?

What kind of God are you worshipping? I mean, why would he ever tease you with such nonsense? Free but not really free?

 

[Alithis]

Are you seriously saying that Jesus did so much work on the cross but if you don't do yours then you're still going to hell?

What kind of God are you worshipping? I mean, why would he ever tease you with such nonsense? Free but not really free?

not sinning ..is not a work . it is a result of being saved from sin .

I am seriously saying that the lord Jesus has done EVERYTHING that needed to be done in order to save us from our sin and to set us free from our Sin so that we are no longer slaves to it
and since sin is no longer our master we need not serve it any more but rather serve Christ according as his own words states .

if we serve sin after having been set free it is because we re choosing to do so from our own freed will .. and if we do that .. the the love of God is not in us .and if the love of god is not in us ,then we are not saved .for no one who is truly in God continues to sin .. according to his own word .

i serve the Lord jesus who is righteous and true and he came and died for my sin to set me free from it . he did not die so that i would remain languishing in sin but that i might be utterly free from is and thereby sin no more .for,having been set free , no one can MAKE you sin ..you have to chose to do that yourself .

if you cannot stop ..then you are not yet free .it is as simple as that .. you need to repent and be baptised and you will receive the Holy ghost..Jesus will set you free .

the only people who are not free from the control of sin.. are those who have never truly repented and been baptised due to repentance ,into the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus ..according to his own word .

this is the Gospel of the lord Jesus Christ .. he has come and died and rsisen again to set us free from sin .. and to enter into what he has done he gives this command

Repent .. be baptized ... and you shall receive the holy Ghost .

if we do not repent for the forgiveness of sin and be baptized fro the remission of sin ... we are not born again and we are not his .

this is what is written and this is what i am SERIOUSLY Saying because this s what we are told to say ..it is what Jesus said , it is what peter preached it is what paul and al the apostles preached ..

 

[Alithis]

God has given all those born again of the Holy Spirit power to fully over come all sin -indeed he has already over come it
there is nothing in all existence that can "make" me sin except ..."me"

consider this for it is truth ..
..See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God;
and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be.
We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned
from the beginning.
The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him;
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice
righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.....

 

[Lamb]

Law/Gospel

Very important to know the distinction and that the bible is filled with paradoxes. That's where people get messed up in their theology and lead people astray.

What does the Law say Alithis? What does the Gospel say? And to whom are they applied to and when. All important things to consider when going through scripture.

 

[Brighten04]

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

That is NOT past tense.