APOSTLE'S or NICENE Creed?

[prism]

Which do you prefer and why?
After a cursory look/ see I noticed a glaring difference.
NICENE
"he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried."

APOSTLE'S
"who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;"

The Apostle's leaves out His Incarnation, while the Nicene leaves out His death.

They both are good but if push came to shove I'd side with the Apostle's.
Is there the Gospel without the death?

Thoughts?

 

[Josiah]

My parish celebrates the Eucharist every Sunday so we use the nicene since it is the creed associated with the sacrament

 

[prism]

My parish celebrates the Eucharist every Sunday so we use the nicene since it is the creed associated with the sacrament

Interesting. When I was on the Lutherquest forum there was a heavy emphasis on the necessity of Christ's death as the means for the forgiveness of our sins (as is offered in the Sacrament).
They would reject images, for example, of His crucifixion where He appeared still alive, e.g. open eyes.

 

[Lamb]

Interesting. When I was on the Lutherquest forum there was a heavy emphasis on the necessity of Christ's death as the means for the forgiveness of our sins (as is offered in the Sacrament).
They would reject images, for example, of His crucifixion where He appeared still alive, e.g. open eyes.

I've been on Lutherquest for years and don't remember that type of discussion (eyes open). I guess it makes sense, but what does it have to do with the creed?

BTW, did anyone survive crucifixion?

 

[prism]

I've been on Lutherquest for years and don't remember that type of discussion (eyes open). I guess it makes sense, but what does it have to do with the creed?

BTW, did anyone survive crucifixion?

Admittedly, it's been about 20 years now, it has zero to do with the Creed, it was just in response to Josiah mentioning the Nicene Creed being recited at the Sacrament.

Good point. No one I knew survived crucifixion, but it seemed that the soldiers would break legs to make sure they died..

John 19:32-33 ESV
So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. [33] But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.

Do you have a preference, Nicene or Apostle's creed?

 

[Albion]

The Apostles' Creed is based on the early baptismal formula, and so is older than the Nicene.

But the Nicene is more expansive, particularly concerning the nature of God which was a controversy in the ancient church, and it is valued for being the most widely used Creedal statement among Christians of different denominations. It's also the more elegant of the two in its wording and is the one normally prayed at every Communion service.

So for various reasons I'd say that I prefer the Nicene Creed.

 

[prism]

The Apostles' Creed is based on the early baptismal formula, and so is older than the Nicene.

But the Nicene is more expansive, particularly concerning the nature of God which was a controversy in the ancient church, and it is valued for being the most widely used Creedal statement among Christians of different denominations. It's also the more elegant of the two in its wording and is the one normally prayed at every Communion service.

So for various reasons I'd say that I prefer the Nicene Creed.

I suppose one can start 'The First Church of the Nicene Creed' if it hasn't already been started.

 

[Ammi]

I don't prefer either...I just believe what they state.

 

[prism]

I don't prefer either...I just believe what they state.

And what they don't state as I pointed out in the op?

 

[Ammi]

What they don't state is covered in the word.
I like this song.

 

[prism]

What they don't state is covered in the word.

Because the Creeds are derived from the word.

I like this song.

I'll pass

 

[Ammi]

Because the Creeds are derived from the word.

I'll pass

Good for you.

 

[Messy]

What they don't state is covered in the word.
I like this song.

Yeah if someone asks me what I believe exactly it's easiest to just sing that song. Didn't know it was also in English. Of course it is. We always translate em.

Apparently it's the apostle's creed.

 

[prism]

I wonder why no mention of God's Word being truly from God in the Creeds?
At least under the Person of the Holy Spirit a mention that He inspired all of Holy Writ.

 

[Messy]

I wonder why no mention of God's Word being truly from God in the Creeds?
At least under the Person of the Holy Spirit a mention that He inspired all of Holy Writ.

This is the Apostles' creed? That's not from the apostles. One holy catholic church?
Cause I wanted to say: well it does say I believe in the Holy Spirit, gifts of the Holy Spirit,
who confirms God's Word to us,
go and preach and heal, LOL but that's from the song. They just changed it.

 

[Lamb]

I wonder why no mention of God's Word being truly from God in the Creeds?
At least under the Person of the Holy Spirit a mention that He inspired all of Holy Writ.

Perhaps looking at the history of why the creeds were necessary would help you find the answers you are seeking.

 

[Albion]

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This is the Apostles' creed? That's not from the apostles.

That's just what it's called, to signify that this is the faith of the very early church. The word catholic, meaning authentic and universal, appears to have been added later.

One holy catholic church?

Naturally. The idea of a true and universal movement (church) is nothing that should surprise us.

 

[Albion]

I wonder why no mention of God's Word being truly from God in the Creeds?
At least under the Person of the Holy Spirit a mention that He inspired all of Holy Writ.

If there is a single point of emphasis in the Apostles' Creed, it's Jesus Christ.

Look at how much of the Creed asserts the importance of the person of the Savior. That must have been the overriding issue for the first several generations of Christians. Then, in centuries following, all sorts of facts or doctrines ABOUT the Christ and the belief system of the churches of Christ came to be controversial...and we're still arguing over them.

 

[Origen]

This is the Apostles' creed? That's not from the apostles. One holy catholic church?

Note that the word "catholic" is not capitalized. It is not a proper noun but an adjective.

The Greek word is καθολικός = universal.


The Latin word is catholicus = universal.

 

[prism]

If there is a single point of emphasis in the Apostles' Creed, it's Jesus Christ.

Look at how much of the Creed asserts the importance of the person of the Savior. That must have been the overriding issue for the first several generations of Christians. Then, in centuries following, all sorts of facts or doctrines ABOUT the Christ and the belief system of the churches of Christ came to be controversial...and we're still arguing over them.

That's fine, but all we know about Jesus Christ is in the Holy Scriptures.