Is The Little Mermaid demonic?

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There are people who murder and torture and commit genocide, and they don't get any demonic attacks, and someone gets all sort of suffering for watching adult videos or smoking or some other such sins. Do you understand how messed up this system seems from my perspective? Does God understand? He does, of course. Does He care?
"The Little Mermaid" was just an excuse for starting another tirade about what's wrong with the God of the Bible, right? 😒
 

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We started off here with the writings and videos produced by an amateur theologian telling followers that a statue that isn't normally thought to be demonic actually is demonic. If the topic now has turned to young children playing a game involving them manipulating witches, I'd say the issue has changed significantly.
I thought it was about watching the movie that has a witch in it too. I wouldn't care if I walked around in Denmark and saw it. Wouldn't use blinders or something. I do watch this mermaid:
 

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I thought it was about watching the movie that has a witch in it too. I wouldn't care if I walked around in Denmark and saw it. Wouldn't use blinders or something. I do watch this mermaid:
Maybe it's the use of the word "demonic" and what that means. Just referring to "Disney" would be more to the point, perhaps.
 

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Because every single time I investigate the problem of evil in Christian theology, it leads me to the original cause, which is that God allowed it. Couple this with the fact that He refuses to give any explanation for His behavior under the pretext that "we're stupid, He's smart", and you might understand why I can't find any rational reason for me to feel love or loyalty towards Him.

What am I supposed to do?

Also, why would God need help to do things if He is omnipotent?
Because He gave the authority over the earth to Adam and he gave it to satan by sinning, so now he had legal rights. He said to Jesus that it was given to him and Jesus didn't correct him. He's the god of this world. Jesus had to become a Man to get the authority back. When He died and raised He overcame Satan for us and He took the authority back, but only if the whole world would have said: 'Yay! We become christians!' satan would have no power whatsoever anymore. He has no power anyway. He can only lie and accuse God and christians and people can give him power by obeying him. He can use people to start wars and kill. Jesus went to heaven and gave the authority to the church and now the church must do what He did and the apostles. 1 Timothy pray for everyone, because God wants everyone saved. The guy who was sick at Bethesda, why did he have to wait 30 years? Because Jesus had to become Man and grow up and start His ministry. In the O.T. God could not just whoop from heaven heal people without a prophet. And now the church must do His works and even bigger ones
If you accuse God, you listen to satan. First thing he did was bring doubt to Eve. God is not good. We can only obey either God or satan. I used to have demons and Jesus kicked em out. Noone has to tell me that God is not good. I know He's good. But once He could not help me, because I was full of hate. If you want Him to help you, gofind people like that guy you posted the video from to help you or pray to God, but don't listen to the lies from satan.
When I was 14 or 15 and just got saved I heard in church that there was no 2nd chance for satan. Nowadays exchristians are mad at God for not saving everyone, but I was mad at God for not giving Satan a 2nd chance. The poor sweet chap. So I sat on my bed with an angry face. I did not agree and God had better give in to me and give him a chance. So God said oh I'm so sorry and now satan is saved. Lol no so demons bothered me and then I thought: they're monsters anyway, so who cares. Sorry God. You know better.
 

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There are people who murder and torture and commit genocide, and they don't get any demonic attacks, and someone gets all sort of suffering for watching adult videos or smoking or some other such sins. Do you understand how messed up this system seems from my perspective? Does God understand? He does, of course. Does He care?
I backslid for a while and all of a sudden I could watch murder programs on tv without being bothered. Before I got saved it didn't bother me either. I don't think that's such a great sign that he leaves you alone and even if he leaves someone like that alone, it's because he already has them. But suffering from demons does not come from God and you can learn how to overcome them and help others.
 

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Again the same thing. You keep blaming God instead of helping Him to kick out demons from people. He is God and you're not.
Well, it's apparent that he doesn't understand the Biblical concept of God that the Christian churches are built upon, and there's not much likelihood of having any explanation be accepted.

However, you are to be commended for making the try.
 

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There are people who murder and torture and commit genocide, and they don't get any demonic attacks, and someone gets all sort of suffering for watching adult videos or smoking or some other such sins. Do you understand how messed up this system seems from my perspective? Does God understand? He does, of course. Does He care?

I think what's messed up is the theology coming from some corners that God will just leave us to face the consequences of doing whatever randomly determined thing is Not To Be Done today.

I also think there are a lot of people who, for whatever reason, feel a personal conviction that they should avoid something and then conclude that everybody else should avoid it too. If you feel you should avoid something then unless it is mandated by Scripture you get to avoid it to the extent you consider appropriate. If you expect others to avoid it too you need to come up with something more than "I feel that...", which is where so many of these teachers fail.

Then there are the real kooks who think that someone else can speak a few careless words that result in a demon hitching a ride with us, and apparently God is powerless to protect us until some kindhearted soul "breaks off the demon" (whatever that means).
 

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Because He gave the authority over the earth to Adam and he gave it to satan by sinning, so now he had legal rights. He said to Jesus that it was given to him and Jesus didn't correct him. He's the god of this world. Jesus had to become a Man to get the authority back. When He died and raised He overcame Satan for us and He took the authority back, but only if the whole world would have said: 'Yay! We become christians!' satan would have no power whatsoever anymore. He has no power anyway. He can only lie and accuse God and christians and people can give him power by obeying him. He can use people to start wars and kill. Jesus went to heaven and gave the authority to the church and now the church must do what He did and the apostles. 1 Timothy pray for everyone, because God wants everyone saved. The guy who was sick at Bethesda, why did he have to wait 30 years? Because Jesus had to become Man and grow up and start His ministry. In the O.T. God could not just whoop from heaven heal people without a prophet. And now the church must do His works and even bigger ones

Sounds a lot like dominion theology.

If the devil had such authority over the world why did the demons obey Jesus? If they were the devil's servants doing the devil's bidding on the earth given over to the devil why couldn't they just tell Jesus to leave them alone and mind his own business?

The demons obeying Jesus indicated he had authority over them before being crucified, no?
 

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Sounds a lot like dominion theology.

If the devil had such authority over the world why did the demons obey Jesus? If they were the devil's servants doing the devil's bidding on the earth given over to the devil why couldn't they just tell Jesus to leave them alone and mind his own business?

The demons obeying Jesus indicated he had authority over them before being crucified, no?
Yes. Satan and demons had no power over Jesus. Satan only over the ones who were his slaves, because they sinned (before the cross even the saints except Elijah and Enoch couldn't go straight to heaven) and demons only in certain cases. Jesus didn't sin. Satan gets called the god of this world. If God could just do here whatever He wanted, He would not say that we had to pray Your Kingdom come and for everyone to get saved, that would just happen, because He wants it and pray for healing and give authority to the church to do His works as His body on earth.
But Kingdom Now and Dominion Theology is a lie, cause they say we go reign in the govts and make everything better and subdue nations. People have free will. If they want to follow satan and kill christians and start wars, the church can't stop that. God can stop it in the end, but He is patient and wants the harvest. If He now ends it all, not everyone will be saved.
 
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Yes. Satan and demons had no power over Jesus. Satan only over the ones who were his slaves, because they sinned (before the cross even the saints except Elijah and Enoch couldn't go straight to heaven) and demons only in certain cases. Jesus didn't sin. Satan gets called the god of this world. If God could just do here whatever He wanted, He would not say that we had to pray Your Kingdom come and for everyone to get saved, that would just happen, because He wants it and pray for healing and give authority to the church to do His works as His body on earth.
But Kingdom Now and Dominion Theology is a lie, cause they say we go reign in the govts and make everything better and subdue nations. People have free will. If they want to follow satan and kill christians and start wars, the church can't stop that. God can stop it in the end, but He is patient and wants the harvest. If He now ends it all, not everyone will be saved.

It sounds like you're saying dominion theology is a lie while presenting a variation of dominion theology.

If the devil was the ruler of this world, and those possessed by evil spirits were the devil's servants doing the devil's bidding in the devil's world, having taken possession of people who were surrendered to the devil, by what authority did Jesus drive them out?

When you say "if God could just do here whatever he wanted", are you trying to say God isn't omnipotent? Does some other entity get to decide what God can and cannot do?
 

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If God could just do here whatever He wanted,
God is omnipotent, however. The reason he doesn't make everything perfect right now is, as you noted yourself, because humans have free will and are capable of doing evil and rejecting righteousness.
He would not say that we had to pray Your Kingdom come and for everyone to get saved, that would just happen,
Not necessarily. Praying that something which is due to occur will take place sooner rather than later doesn't say that it can't happen unless....
 

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It sounds like you're saying dominion theology is a lie while presenting a variation of dominion theology.

If the devil was the ruler of this world, and those possessed by evil spirits were the devil's servants doing the devil's bidding in the devil's world, having taken possession of people who were surrendered to the devil, by what authority did Jesus drive them out?

When you say "if God could just do here whatever he wanted", are you trying to say God isn't omnipotent? Does some other entity get to decide what God can and cannot do?
Omnipotent does not mean that He can create a stone He cannot carry. He keeps Himself to His own laws and He cannot or doesnt want to go against His own character. It was a joke from some preacher: God can't do everything. He cannot sin. If you want God to work on earth you have to invite Him. God wants everyone saved. Why does He say pray for all people and preach the Gospel when He can just poof do what He wants and get everyone saved and healed? It's a coincident that Wales got saved when they prayed 24/7? He said to Israel that He would heal their land if they prayed. He has to be invited by people to do something.
He said to some prophet: if you dont warn em and they die in their sins, I ask their blood from your hands. Jesus could not heal in some places, because they did not believe He was the Messiah. He could not save Jerusalem. He cried. And then they come up with this harsh God who can do what He wants, but is unwilling. No wonder ppl think God is harsh and uninterested and hates them.
 

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Omnipotent does not mean that He can create a stone He cannot carry.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what we're discussing. It seems like a semantic diversion.

He keeps Himself to His own laws and He cannot or doesnt want to go against His own character. It was a joke from some preacher: God can't do everything. He cannot sin. If you want God to work on earth you have to invite Him.

... except that if you're saying God is unable to do anything unless we invite him you turn us into gods and turn God into little more than a serving boy.

God wants everyone saved. Why does He say pray for all people and preach the Gospel when He can just poof do what He wants and get everyone saved and healed? It's a coincident that Wales got saved when they prayed 24/7? He said to Israel that He would heal their land if they prayed. He has to be invited by people to do something.

There's a difference between wanting someone to freely come to you and wanting them by your side regardless.

There's nothing stopping my wife from packing her bags and leaving me, to go and live somewhere else. She stays because she chooses to stay. If I was determined that she should stay with me no matter what I could chain her up in the basement so she didn't have the option of leaving. Her staying in the first situation means something very different to her staying in the second.
 

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Not necessarily. Praying that something which is due to occur will take place sooner rather than later doesn't say that it can't happen unless....

Awwww.... you mean every time I prayed for the sun to rise in the morning I was wasting my time?
 

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Omnipotent does not mean that He can create a stone He cannot carry.
But that's only a trick with words, not a real undertaking.
He keeps Himself to His own laws and He cannot or doesnt want to go against His own character.
So, what are we dealing with here in which God is asked to be evil?

If you want God to work on earth you have to invite Him.
Where in Scripture or elsewhere does THAT notion come from?? God seems to have acted on his own many times, according to the Bible. The Great Flood. Sodom and Gomorrah. And so on.

He said to some prophet: if you dont warn em and they die in their sins,
That, however--receiving Christ and being saved by Faith in him--is not what you have been talking about here. You've said nothing can be done by God unless someone invites him.
 

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Awwww.... you mean every time I prayed for the sun to rise in the morning I was wasting my time?
First, we'll have to know how many times you did pray for the sun to rise in the morning! ;)
 

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But that's only a trick with words, not a real undertaking.

So, what are we dealing with here in which God is asked to be evil?


Where in Scripture or elsewhere does THAT notion come from?? God seems to have acted on his own many times, according to the Bible. The Great Flood. Sodom and Gomorrah. And so on.


That, however--receiving Christ and being saved by Faith in him--is not what you have been talking about here. You've said nothing can be done by God unless someone invites him.
Oh no wait. He can't just go save and heal people if He wants to, because the Bible says He wants to, so then He would. He can decide to call it quits today. No wait He can't, cause He keeps His Word, but He does have that power. I bet He could force everyone to serve Him, but He doesn't want that. He always uses people to get others saved and healed. He just has to wait now for the harvest, because people have free will. It's not that He has no power, but He does let them kill christians, so they can get saved. He could say: boom dead, leave that christian alone, but then He would have to kill almost everyone to stop the suffering, because almost everyone is nasty to someone else, which makes em suffer and then you'd have even more suffering.

It's what Abraham said, that if there were 10 righteous ppl it would not be righteous fromGod to ruin the city.

Not evil, but He couldn't say: oh man has sinned, but who cares, lets wave a magic stick and not die for their sins to reconcile them and get the authority over sin and satan back for them and throw satan in hell and take the keys back, but not legally.
 
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I'm not sure what that has to do with what we're discussing. It seems like a semantic diversion.



... except that if you're saying God is unable to do anything unless we invite him you turn us into gods and turn God into little more than a serving boy.



There's a difference between wanting someone to freely come to you and wanting them by your side regardless.

There's nothing stopping my wife from packing her bags and leaving me, to go and live somewhere else. She stays because she chooses to stay. If I was determined that she should stay with me no matter what I could chain her up in the basement so she didn't have the option of leaving. Her staying in the first situation means something very different to her staying in the second.
No He is God and we have to obey Him. We're just His body on earth and we're not supposed to live anymore, but Christ in us.
 

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We confess that we do not know what your theology actually is. Not after those posts!
 

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First, we'll have to know how many times you did pray for the sun to rise in the morning! ;)

Every single day, except for that one day when the sun didn't rise....
 
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