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Dick Kruijthoff obtained his doctor's degree on Monday with research into faith healing. The former GP of Bleskensgraaf - after the miraculous healing of fellow townsman Janneke Vlot in 2007 - immersed himself in this subject.

I saw this on Facebook. Janneke Vlot was in the Newspaper. He was her doctor. She got healed in the church I used to go to from Jan Zijlstra, who came from the church from Johan Maasbach (I got saved in his church), that started in 1958 with Holland Miracle, when T.L. Osborn came to Holland.


 

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It took more than twelve years: from the first steps to the final dissertation 'Healing after Prayer, An Interdisciplinary Case Study'. Dick Kruijthoff (65) started at the age of 52. The immediate cause was the healing of Janneke Vlot from Bleskensgraaf.


For years, he witnessed her illness up close, followed by her sudden recovery during a faith healing service. “It was not the first time I experienced something like this; before and after that happened a few times in my professional period. But that was anonymous.

Permission
Janneke's healing was widely reported in the media. She herself gave permission to share her medical data. Based on this, an article was published in the national newspaper Trouw, in which the special nature of her sudden recovery is described on the basis of that medical information.

This caused a deluge of reactions. A second article in Trouw, after a call in the newspaper to share positive and negative experiences with faith healing, had the same result. Comments ranged from approving to highly critical.

Kruijthoff: “I found that difficult: ‘What should I do with this?’. I was especially curious about what exactly happens in such situations. Previously I was skeptical of faith healing rather than open to it. But certainly in the case of Janneke Vlot I couldn't just put it aside. Professor at the Vrije Universiteit Kees van der Kooi, who specialized in charismatic theology and with whom I was in contact, said to me: 'It would be nice if a general practitioner would investigate this.' That was the starting point.”

Contested area
The Bleskensgraaf GP thus entered controversial territory. The field of tension between science and religion is riddled with mines. What helped was his approach of not wanting to prove or disprove anything. “Still, it took about five or six years before the research proposal was approved in 2015.” “In addition to an extensive research of the medical literature, I went to Lourdes (a place of pilgrimage in France, where millions of people go in the hope of healing, ed.). They have been thoroughly testing the cures for years and use a very good system.”
Brazil
He continues: “In addition, I have had intensive contact with an American professor who has conducted research into healings in charismatic and evangelical congregations in the United States, Brazil and Mozambique. That provided a solid basis.” The first pillar of the research was the medical records of people who had experienced faith healing. On a call through all kinds of channels, 83 from all over the country reported. “Certainly not just from the Bible Belt.” Anorexia nervosa Five physicians (four from VU University Amsterdam and one from elsewhere, both non-religious and religious) considered their stories and selected 27. “There had to be sufficient and demonstrable data to be able to investigate objectively, such as scans before and after the healing. With the consent of those involved, we started working with their files.” What emerged from this is that the healings - as is often claimed - did not only take place on the psychosomatic level. “The registrations we received cover the full breadth of medicine,” Dick Kruijthoff nods. “That ranges from back and headaches and psychiatry to Crohn's disease, malignant diseases, anorexia nervosa and liver inflammation.” In-depth interviews Unique to the research is that the study of the medical records was linked to in-depth interviews, in order to also record the experiences of people who had experienced faith healing. “What emerged from this, among other things, is that in a large proportion of cases the healing took place from one moment to the next. A minority of these occurred during faith healing services; it also happened during personal prayer, in a prayer circle, during an anointing of the sick or even once during the celebration of the Lord's Supper. For me, this result was an eye-opener; theologian Van der Kooi even called it the most valuable result of the research.”


Incapacitated
Especially striking: most of those involved did not count on a cure at all. “A lady with all kinds of illnesses, completely unable to work, prayed desperately in the evening if she could be taken away from life. She then experienced a sense of stillness and tranquility, as if she were wrapped in a blanket.”

“The next morning she walked down the stairs and suddenly realized that it was almost effortless. In the weeks that followed, almost all of her ailments disappeared. Of the 33 pills - including morphine-like painkillers and prednisone - she now only takes one, for her thyroid.”

Placebo effect
He continues: “This argues against the placebo effect: that your physical condition improves purely on the basis of the belief that you are going to get better. And moreover, this also contradicts one of the principles in some charismatic circles when it is said that your faith is not strong enough if you do not get better after a prayer for healing.”

“Some of the people in the study were not involved in the church at all and were taken to a faith healing service by an acquaintance or a neighbor when suddenly and unexpectedly something special happened. The degree of faith plays a minor role in this.”


Feeling of warmth
At the same time, the experience went much further than not being sick anymore. The healing was often accompanied by a strong emotional and physical experience. “Many had a feeling of warmth, of being overwhelmed or of a touch at the site of the disease.”

“A lady with Parkinson's described it as if a net had been removed from her brain. In some cases there was an extrasensory perception, such as wind in an enclosed space or a vision.”

more positive
In the vast majority, the healing was a very drastic event on several levels. “People came to have a more positive attitude to life, became much more socially active, committed themselves to others or, for example, went on a mission. Faith healing is not just about getting better; it is an experience that involves mind, soul and body. That was also an eye-opener for me.”

Dick Kruijthoff immediately makes an emphatic comment: his research focused on positive experiences. “There are also negative experiences with faith healings, but they are not included in this.”

Clinical picture
Another very remarkable observation: people who can function as if they were healthy again, but where the doctor determines that the clinical picture in the body has not changed. This was the case in several cases.

“To give an example: a woman who could only walk fifty meters with crutches because of severe and progressive multiple sclerosis. After previously being skeptical, she had begun to pray more and was also planning to attend a prayer service. However, it didn't get that far, after an afternoon's sleep, suddenly and unexpectedly at that moment all complaints appeared to have disappeared.”

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But an MRI scan showed that the previously observed abnormalities associated with MS were unchanged. The neurologist therefore indicated that the MS was still there. Yet she hasn't been bothered by it for fourteen years.

“We were very surprised and had this checked separately by a professor who specializes in MS, because we still had the question: 'Was it really MS?'. But he had no doubts about that.”

Sick again
The experiences also showed that after a cure not everything is rose scent and moonshine. People stay in the middle of life, can get sick again and experience other nasty things. "Or they got nasty reactions: 'You must have imagined it all, it was stuck in your head.'"

“Others ran into a burnout. It's not nothing either. From lying in bed all the time, having to be fully cared for, and then being fully alive again from one day to the next. It raises questions: how am I going to fill my days now? That's not just fun.”

Sporadic
As a general practitioner, Kruijthoff also knows very well that there are many more people who are not healed despite prayer. The kind of healing experiences he researched are sporadic at best. “However, in practice I often saw that prayer and faith also gave people strength and support when recovery failed to materialize. And I thought that was also special to see.”

Faith healings are viewed with some reservation in many church congregations. As far as Dick Kruijthoff is concerned, the research underlines that this is unjustified. “Much more use could be made of, for example, the Anointing of the Sick. It is a beautiful instrument from the 'toolbox' of the church, as Van der Kooi describes it.”

Medically remarkable healing
In conclusion, of the 27 cases examined, the medical review team concluded that in 11 cases there was a medically remarkable cure.

The label scientifically unexplained cures, which cannot be explained on the basis of medical-scientific knowledge, was omitted. Although the dividing line is thin, Kruijthoff admits. Or, as the book's summary states: "Medical explanations are not sufficient to understand the healing experiences."

Miracle
He finds the word miracle difficult, there are so many conflicting opinions about it. “The faith healings that I have researched have caused great amazement and have encouraged me,” he responds.

“Recently I spoke to a woman who, as a non-believer, cried out to God and, to her great surprise, was suddenly healed. After that, faith became an important source for her, also to help people with fewer opportunities. The experience still marks her in a positive way. That does me good.”
 
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He continues: “In addition, I have had intensive contact with an American professor who has conducted research into healings in charismatic and evangelical congregations in the United States, Brazil and Mozambique. That provided a solid basis.”
A question that might be asked is: "Why limit any study of this matter to 'charismatic and evangelical congregations?'" And also...Brazil and Mozambique?

The suspicion that quite understandably follows is that a lot of shaking and shouting must make the critical difference, not the "faith" in "faith healing."
 

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A question that might be asked is: "Why limit any study of this matter to 'charismatic and evangelical congregations?'" Plus...Brazil and Mozambique?

The thought that arises is that a lot of shaking and shouting must make the critical difference, not the "Faith" in "Faith healing."
Because it happens a lot there? He also went to Lourdes. In Holland I don't know if it happens in other churches. Jan Zijlstra was more or less the only one everyone went to from any church, cause their pastors or reverends or elders didn't do it. And you need stuff you can test. I have seen miracles happen, but there's no doctor's proof.
 

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Because it happens a lot there?
You mean in countries that are famous for mixing Christianity with voodoo and other such non-Christian beliefs and practices.
He also went to Lourdes. In Holland I don't know if it happens in other churches.
Well, there certainly is a belief in healing through prayer "in other churches." It is well-known that, in the older Christian denominations (Catholic Anglican, Orthodox, etc.), special prayers and ceremonies directed at healing are part of their practices, and yet I'm reading that 1) in charismatic churches of 2) certain countries that are known for what I referred to above, something of universal importance was proved....

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You mean in countries that are famous for mixing Christianity with voodoo and other such non-Christian beliefs and practices.

Well, there certainly is a belief in healing through prayer "in other churches." It is well-known that, in the older Christian denominations (Catholic Anglican, Orthodox, etc.), special prayers and ceremonies directed at healing are part of their practices, and yet I'm reading that 1) in charismatic churches of 2) certain countries that are known for what I referred to above, something of universal importance was proved....

:unsure:
Hahaha no I meant in those type of churches. I'm quite amazed about American churches. Born again is not a thing only for evangelicals there. Reformed in Holland, I used to be on such a forum and they didn't know what we meant with that. Healing, they believe God can heal, but also that He can give disease. That's in the Heidelberg catechismus. Catholics yes, they also kick out demons. Anglican, I don't even know if we have that here. Some baptist churches here now also believe in healing, but it was always mainly a thing for pentecostal and evangelical churches. He must have gone to the ones who are most vocal about it.
 

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I'm quite amazed about American churches. Born again is not a thing only for evangelicals there.
Oh, I don't know about that. I'd say that, by and large, it isn't much of a thing with other churches. These will acknowledge the concept of a conversion experience and the necessity of coming to faith, but that wouldn't be what being "born again" means for those other folks.
 

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Oh, I don't know about that. I'd say that, by and large, it isn't much of a thing with other churches. These will acknowledge the concept of a conversion experience and the necessity of coming to faith, but that wouldn't be what being "born again" means for those other folks.
He is Dutch and he sounds reformed or something, so he knew nothing about it, saw his Dutch patient get healed after she went to Zijlstra.

On a call through all kinds of channels, 83 from all over the country reported.
That's Dutch people.
So he looked at Dutch ppl who responded from any church and extra he looked at Lourdes and had contact with an American, who investigated Brazil, charismatic churches and Mozambique.
 

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“In addition, I have had intensive contact with an American professor who has conducted research into healings in charismatic and evangelical congregations in the United States, Brazil and Mozambique. That provided a solid basis.”
That's what I was commenting on. Doctoral dissertations tend to be very specific, sometimes almost laughably so, and that is partly because of the need to write on something that hasn't been researched before by someone else.

However, the message I thought I got from the post(s) here was that something had been verified or proven about faith healings, not just that some churches engage in such practices and how they go about it.

In fact, that was stated in the first line of your original post--
Dick Kruijthoff obtained his doctor's degree on Monday with research into faith healing.

So, you see how it came across to me, just one ordinary reader of your report.
 

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That's what I was commenting on. Doctoral dissertations tend to be very specific, sometimes almost laughably so, and that is partly because of the need to write on something that hasn't been researched before by someone else.

However, the message I thought I got from the post(s) here was that something had been verified or proven about faith healings, not just that some churches engage in such practices and how they go about it.

In fact, that was stated in the first line of your original post--


So, you see how it came across to me, just one ordinary reader of your report.
I just copied the local Newspaper and threw it in Google translate, cause I thought it was interesting.

Medically remarkable healing
In conclusion, of the 27 cases examined, the medical review team concluded that in 11 cases there was a medically remarkable cure.

The label scientifically unexplained cures, which cannot be explained on the basis of medical-scientific knowledge, was omitted. Although the dividing line is thin, Kruijthoff admits. Or, as the book's summary states: "Medical explanations are not sufficient to understand the healing experiences."

Miracle
He finds the word miracle difficult, there are so many conflicting opinions about it. “The faith healings that I have researched have caused great amazement and have encouraged me,” he responds.
 

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Wow

 

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I was anxious to find what in that report made you reply with a "Wow," Messy.

Frankly, the only surprise in the entire thing IMHO was this--

Protestants (55%) are almost three times more likely to believe people can be physically healed supernaturally by God than Catholics (19%).

And when the report went on to add that about 3/4 of both Protestants and Catholics pray for other people to get supernatural healing from God...well, I don't know what to think.

But I didn't find anything else in the survey or the article that I'd call unexpected.
 

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I was anxious to find what in that report made you reply with a "Wow," Messy.

Frankly, the only surprise in the entire thing IMHO was this--



And when the report went on to add that about 3/4 of both Protestants and Catholics pray for other people to get supernatural healing from God...well, I don't know what to think.

But I didn't find anything else in the survey or the article that I'd call unexpected.
It's a lot. I tried to find something like that about Holland, but I can't even find it.

I wondered if reformed here anoint the sick. These are answers from a Dutch reformed forum:


ZWP wrote:
3) Yes. Pastoral care is always given to the sick. The "anointing of the sick", administering medicines, which used to be done by clergy, is now done by doctors.
I wonder how you got this exegesis? Is this mainstream Reformed theology?
I don't think there is any mainstream Reformed theology in this area. I once heard a lecture myself, I think from Dr. Paul, who explained it that way. I found that to be consistent with the Scripture data.
Another exegesis is that of the marginalists: anointing is no longer necessary, because the time of miracles is over. God's Word is finished; the canon completed.

The Papists regard the Anointing of the Sick as a sacrament. Possibly this procedure could have been maintained during the cleaning up at the time of the Reformation; not as a sacrament, but as a liturgical act.

I have also seen reformed who believe God can heal, but a healing service, they want nothing to do with that and it's always maybe it's His will or maybe not. A catholic former collegue had cancer. I prayed and fasted for him for a year. Asked if we could come over. When we asked if we could pray for him they got very mad. No way. His wife was reformed. How dare you think that God wants to heal? So sad. He was christian, but their churches taught em that.
An atheist collegue also had cancer. I asked him if we could pray for him with the church. You don't have to come. He wanted nothing to do with God or a church. He said: oh that's sweet. Thanks. He got healed.

Sounds like they don't do it:

"Faith healings are viewed with some reservation in many church congregations. As far as Dick Kruijthoff is concerned, the research underlines that this is unjustified. “Much more use could be made of, for example, the Anointing of the Sick"
 

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A guy who used to post here, Snerf, got corona and he's from Calvary Chapel. He believed God heals, but not that you can go lay hands on the sick and demand they get healed. He wanted nothing to do with WOF wolves as he called em. But he felt like he was dying. He wasn't vaccinated. I sent him a video from Derek Prince praying for healing. He wanted nothing to do with it. No he's from the shepherd' s movement. But he did trust me, so my mom, the kids and I prayed for him and he got healed and I told him that he can pray for the sick and that my rabbit got healed and he said that here then. He had a cat from the neighbours with a big wound and he had no cent for the vet, so he just prayed and the cat got healed.
 

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Maybe it's this: the survey concerned American Protestants and Catholics, and that may account for the uncertainty in all of this.

Both Dutch Protestants and Dutch Catholics are considered to be very liberal these days, much moreso than their American counterparts. Then too, you were focusing on the Protestants who are Reformed, whereas in the USA the Protestant population is divided among many different denominations, of which the Reformed are only a small and generally conservative part.
 

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“Recently I spoke to a woman who, as a non-believer, cried out to God and, to her great surprise, was suddenly healed. After that, faith became an important source for her, also to help people with fewer opportunities. The experience still marks her in a positive way. That does me good.”
What do you think might happen if she got seriously ill and wasn't healed?
 

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What do you think might happen if she got seriously ill and wasn't healed?
Depends on the person. Some get mad at God. Some get mad at christians who keep praying for healing. Some accept it. Some refuse to accept it and keep praying until they get healed.
 

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Even if faith healing does happen, the fact that it is inconsistent and impossible to analyze, understand and measure through any scientific means makes it unreliable.

Imagine if a company released a medicine that had a 1-2% success rate in lab tests and it was impossible to understand whether it works or not, why it works and how to make it work.

Imagine if Jesus, during His ministry on Earth, healed only 5% of the people who came to Him asking for healing. "You get healed. But you, this guy and that woman - no. This guy's getting healed. Those four people over there - nah."
 

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Even if faith healing does happen, the fact that it is inconsistent and impossible to analyze, understand and measure through any scientific means makes it unreliable.

Imagine if a company released a medicine that had a 1-2% success rate in lab tests and it was impossible to understand whether it works or not, why it works and how to make it work.

Imagine if Jesus, during His ministry on Earth, healed only 5% of the people who came to Him asking for healing. "You get healed. But you, this guy and that woman - no. This guy's getting healed. Those four people over there - nah."
But He says how to make it work. He has given the church authority over sickness. In most churches you aren't taught that. If you are sick go to the elders, who will anoint you with oil and you will be healed. Not many churches do that. In the church I went to a lot of ppl got healed, because we simply kept praying until they were healed. Could take a year. You'd get preachings that God wants to heal and don't give up and keep coming to get prayer again. People would fast for you, help you, pray for you and not give up. A lot of people got healed, especially when there was unity with 2 other pastors.
 

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But He says how to make it work. He has given the church authority over sickness. In most churches you aren't taught that. If you are sick go to the elders, who will anoint you with oil and you will be healed. Not many churches do that. In the church I went to a lot of ppl got healed, because we simply kept praying until they were healed. Could take a year. You'd get preachings that God wants to heal and don't give up and keep coming to get prayer again. People would fast for you, help you, pray for you and not give up. A lot of people got healed, especially when there was unity with 2 other pastors.
So you're saying that it always happens if you just keep praying? No exceptions? What about all those Christian preachers who died of cancer, like Nabeel Qureshi and Ravi Zachariah?
 
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