Dick Kruijthoff faith healing

[Messy]

So you're saying that it always happens if you just keep praying? No exceptions? What about all those Christian preachers who died of cancer, like Nabeel Qureshi and Ravi Zachariah?

No it does not always happen, but God always wants to heal and if someone didn't get healed and died, it may have been their time. My father in law had cancer. We prayed. Hislungs were full of it. Docs had made a pic. We prayed. Another pic. It was all gone. They said to his wife your God has done a miracle.
But later it came back in other places and we prayed again of course, but he also got chemo and he just wanted to go to heaven so then my ex prayed God would take him to heaven and that night he went. The nurse thought they pulled the plug. There were gypsies in one church I went to. They had big faith. Their grandma died and they didnt know if it was her time, so they just commanded her to come back and she said: Let me go. I was just walking with Jesus, so they did.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

How is it fair for people to be assigned lifespans with huge differences and be judged according to the same criteria? How is it fair to judge a person who was assigned 100 years on this Earth the same as a person who dies from a foolish action during their teenage years? Why are some people given chances to repent, while others aren't? One person spends his youth engaging in criminal activities and is given the chance to repent and become a Christian in their old age, while another person does a few bad things in his youth and one of these sins kills them without any chance to repent? Does repentance happen in the afterlife?

 

[Messy]

How is it fair for people to be assigned lifespans with huge differences and be judged according to the same criteria? How is it fair to judge a person who was assigned 100 years on this Earth the same as a person who dies from a foolish action during their teenage years? Why are some people given chances to repent, while others aren't? One person spends his youth engaging in criminal activities and is given the chance to repent and become a Christian in their old age, while another person does a few bad things in his youth and one of these sins kills them without any chance to repent? Does repentance happen in the afterlife?

In the 1000 year reign noone will die early. Jesus doesn't reign on earth yet. It can happen just before someone dies.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

In the 1000 year reign noone will die early. Jesus doesn't reign on earth yet. It can happen just before someone dies.

Please elaborate because I am not familiar with this doctrine. What happens to everyone when Jesus starts reigning for 1000 years?

 

[Messy]

Please elaborate because I am not familiar with this doctrine. What happens to everyone when Jesus starts reigning for 1000 years?

First the antichrist comes and sits in the temple and then the Jews see they were wrong and then Jesus comes back.

Isaiah 65

For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or [f]come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,
And her people a joy.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
They shall not plant and another eat;
For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people,
And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain,
Nor bring forth children for trouble;
For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord,
And their offspring with them.
24 “It shall come to pass
That before they call, I will answer;
And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
And dust shall be the serpent’s food.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,”
Says the Lord.

 

[Messy]

1,000 Years—the Millennium

Is the Bible’s prediction about a thousand years of peace on earth real? What is the Millennium, and what will Jesus’ 1,000-year reign mean for you?

lifehopeandtruth.com

 

[Albion]

Even if faith healing does happen, the fact that it is inconsistent and impossible to analyze, understand and measure through any scientific means makes it unreliable.

No, it "makes it" not be constant. But that's the case with all sorts of things that we understand and believe from the Bible.

Not every prayer seems to be answered, but some are, right? Not everyone who makes a confession of faith will continue to be a believer throughout life, right? But that doesn't cause us to doubt that coming to Christ is the way to salvation.

 

[Albion]

How is it fair for people to be assigned lifespans with huge differences and be judged according to the same criteria? How is it fair to judge a person who was assigned 100 years on this Earth the same as a person who dies from a foolish action during their teenage years? Why are some people given chances to repent, while others aren't?

Using human standards from one time period in history and in certain societies in order to judge Almighty God isn't really a sensible way to look at the matter.

However, it might be a good approach IF one's view of God is only on the order of what pagan societies like ancient Greece and Rome did, seeing their gods more as superhuman than supernatural.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Using human standards from one time period in history and in certain societies in order to judge Almighty God isn't really a sensible way to look at the matter.

It is a sensible look because it is the only thing we are aware of. We are unable to do more than this in light of the fact that complete trust has proven dangerous to our wellbeing and we do not possess any objective, provable knowledge of an afterlife.

 

[Messy]

It is a sensible look because it is the only thing we are aware of. We are unable to do more than this in light of the fact that complete trust has proven dangerous to our wellbeing and we do not possess any objective, provable knowledge of an afterlife.

Maybe not objective scientific proof, but that pastor who died and was 3 days in a morgue after a car accident, I don't believe he lied and made this story up, just like Ian McCormack, but he was only dead for 45 mins or so.

 

[Albion]

It is a sensible look because it is the only thing we are aware of.

The way you framed the point was different, however. To say that some people live longer than others, etc. is to say we are aware of different situations and how they affect our lives. That being so, we are conscious of which lifestyles and so forth are better than others and in what ways. To then value what's better over what's worse gets us to the heart of all the great religions.

We are unable to do more than this in light of the fact that complete trust has proven dangerous to our wellbeing and we do not possess any objective, provable knowledge of an afterlife.

Well, it is in the nature of religion to not be convinced that everything we experience and know is real thanks to it having been proven in a science lab. Not when we all are aware that there is much more than that in life.

What's more, this is true, and known to be true, even among those who do not accept all the tenets of the Christian religion. Some follow a different religion, and still others invent their own.