Which faith movement is the closest to your opinion of what true Christianity is?

[Nazareth]

Very well, but we were talking about denominations. Christ of course promised to be with his disciples, even as few as two of them, but that's not about Christian churches or congregations or denominations or what they accomplish.

And by the way, when you talk about the individual, such as yourself, not needing a congregation or ministers, etc. you are describing a lone Christian so you cannot cite a verse that says he will be with two people together at the least. As the verse says, "where two or three are gathered...."


I'm sorry, but here's what the Bible says about that--

"In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes (1 Corinthians 11:25-26)."



If you read the Gospel of Matthew, you will find Jesus giving the command to his Apostles to go into all the world, make converts of all nations, AND BAPTIZE THEM. That tells us of Christ appointing someone to administer the sacrament!

The individual Christian is indwelt by God's holy spirit. They are never without God. Thinking a Christian must always be in a group setting for the church of Christ to exist and be active in God's service is not sustained by scripture.

Christians meet together in Bible study, etc... And are a church then and there.

As to 1st Corinthians, Paul was not at the last supper.

Where in scripture do the disciples who were at the last supper give communion to others?

 

[Albion]

Was the thief on the cross baptized?

If you or I or anybody else among us is absolved of his sins by Jesus Christ personally, face to face, in public with other people watching...the rest of us would be on good grounds to believe that such an act on his part was effective. (!)

As for all people who come to Christ after the Ascension, Jesus provided a different procedure.

 

[Albion]

The individual Christian is indwelt by God's holy spirit.

That's already been addressed. The topic here is the place of Christian denominations. That's the topic. Whether or not an individual has received the Holy Ghost, he is not a one-man denomination with all that denominations or congregations represent.

Christians meet together in Bible study, etc... And are a church then and there.

Must Christians meet together in Bible study? And what if they do not?

The point that was raised concerned an individual who chose not to associate with a Christian denomination, thereby leaving himself out of everything that denominations are described in the New Testament as providing.

If it is argued that it is proper for an individual Christian to "go it alone" as far as Christian churches or groups of churches is concerned, it certainly doesn't make sense to say that they have some obligation to participate in a Bible Study group instead and/or that such a limited gathering of believers amounts to the same thing as a church of Christ.

Where in scripture do the disciples who were at the last supper give communion to others?

See Acts 20:7 where Paul, an Apostle, presides at a Communion service. Also see Acts 2:42.

 

[Nazareth]

That's already been addressed. The topic here is the place of Christian denominations. That's the topic. Whether or not an individual has received the Holy Ghost, he is not a one-man denomination with all that denominations or congregations represent.

Must Christians meet together in Bible study? And what if they do not?

The point that was raised concerned an individual who chose not to associate with a Christian denomination, thereby leaving himself out of everything that denominations are described in the New Testament as providing.

If it is argued that it is proper for an individual Christian to "go it alone" as far as Christian churches or groups of churches is concerned, it certainly doesn't make sense to say that they have some obligation to participate in a Bible Study group instead and/or that such a limited gathering of believers amounts to the same thing as a church of Christ.

See Acts 20:7 where Paul, an Apostle, presides at a Communion service. Also see Acts 2:42.

I understand you're attempting to marginalize my input by implying I don't understand what is being discussed in the thread.

However, you'll not ever prove using scripture that denominations we're taught,encouraged,nor established by Jesus. Or his Apostles after him.

They were Jews! Moving to the next journey of faith under the teachings of the Messiah after the fact of his coming and having departed leaving them their duty to his great commission.

They were only called by the name Christian well later and for the first time per Acts 11 in Antioch.

 

[Nazareth]

If you or I or anybody else among us is absolved of his sins by Jesus Christ personally, face to face, in public with other people watching...the rest of us would be on good grounds to believe that such an act on his part was effective. (!)

As for all people who come to Christ after the Ascension, Jesus provided a different procedure.

You believe we are not saved unless nor until we are immersed in water?

 

[Albion]

I understand you're attempting to marginalize my input by implying I don't understand what is being discussed in the thread.

Then you don't understand after all. I am simply forced to call you to stay on the topic here rather tuan move off onto related issues as some of your responses have done.

However, you'll not ever prove using scripture that denominations we're taught,encouraged,nor established by Jesus. Or his Apostles after him.

We have many mentions of them in the New Testament, and believers are urged to particiipate with other Christians in such fellowships.

It's really unavoidable, so any argument for staying aloof from such participation is plainly contrary to the experience of the early church and to Jesus' own urgings.

They were Jews!

Ethnically, yes, but it is obvious from the New Testament that Christ founded his own church. He in fact said so when speaking with Peter. And he clearly instituted some new observances not part of Judaism, such as the ceremonies we call "sacraments" which almost every one of the thousands of Christian denominations continue to celebrate today.

 

[Albion]

You believe we are not saved unless nor until we are immersed in water?

I didn't say that.

 

[Nazareth]

I didn't say that.

I didn't say you did. That's why my post was a question. Care to answer it?

 

[Nazareth]

Then you don't understand after all. I am simply forced to call you to stay on the topic here rather tuan move off onto related issues as some of your responses have done.

I am on topic. You simply don't approve of my opinions.

We have many mentions of them in the New Testament, and believers are urged to particiipate with other Christians in such fellowships.

It's really unavoidable, so any argument for staying aloof from such participation is plainly contrary to the experience of the early church and to Jesus' own urgings.

Ethnically, yes, but it is obvious from the New Testament that Christ founded his own church. He in fact said so when speaking with Peter. And he clearly instituted some new observances not part of Judaism, such as the ceremonies we call "sacraments" which almost every one of the thousands of Christian denominations continue to celebrate today.

Ahhhh, you're Catholic then?

 

[Albion]

I didn't say you did. That's why my post was a question. Care to answer it?

Despite the question mark at the end, it appears to be in the form of a statement rather than an inquiry. See post #45.

Anyway, the mode of baptism (immersion or not) and whether or not baptism guarantees salvation or is absolutely required for salvation are not topics on this thread. These do not in any way help to determine the truth of what we've been talking about but are instead examples of related issues you've introduced in some of your replies.

I will, however, explain the historic and normal Christian teaching concerning both of them rather than leave you in the dark about them since you did ask, but these questions in no way address the issue we've been dealing with.

With the first of them, immersion is not required for a valid baptism, just the application of water. And in the second, no, the sacrament of Baptism does not guarantee that the person will be saved.

 

[Albion]

I am on topic. You simply don't approve of my opinions.

Ahhhh, you're Catholic then?

Huh? Nothing I wrote suggests that I am a Roman Catholic.

I'm an Anglican, just as the personal profile under the logo to the left of every post I write indicates. Take a look.

 

[Nazareth]

Huh? Nothing I wrote suggests that I am a Roman Catholic.

I'm an Anglican, just as the personal profile under the logo to the left of every post I write indicates. Take a look.

I did look. My phone doesn't show any details on anyone's profile.

 

[Nazareth]

Despite the question mark at the end, it appears to be in the form of a statement rather than an inquiry. See post #45.

Anyway, the mode of baptism (immersion or not) and whether or not baptism guarantees salvation or is absolutely required for salvation are not topics on this thread. These do not in any way help to determine the truth of what we've been talking about but are instead examples of related issues you've introduced in some of your replies.

I will, however, explain the historic and normal Christian teaching concerning both of them rather than leave you in the dark about them since you did ask, but these questions in no way address the issue we've been dealing with.

With the first of them, immersion is not required for a valid baptism, just the application of water. And in the second, no, the sacrament of Baptism does not guarantee that the person will be saved.

I'm done with that nonsense.

When you feign you are confused by basic punctuation so to take issue with me on yet another level, it's either that English is not your first language, you're lacking basic intelligence or you're just a punk who has severe issues.


We're done.
You do show the answer to my other thread that was a question.

Why is this forum so dead?
Behaviors like yours. We don't need forums. Forums need members.

God help you with your Misogyny.
God help all women within your circle.

Site owner: Wonder why you have so few members? Word spreads when you have a couple of members here who want to make for a graceless atmosphere.
Albion, and Lee's,who thrives on anger.
Rid yourself of them and you'll see a better community.
If the Apostles had their attitude toward Christians, Christianity wouldnt even rank as a memory in history.

 

[Lamb]

Huh? Nothing I wrote suggests that I am a Roman Catholic.

I'm an Anglican, just as the personal profile under the logo to the left of every post I write indicates. Take a look.

I'm not sure if we can get the mobile version of the site to show account details such as faith (denomination), married or age. I rarely log in using my phone, and usually when members do, it's through Tapatalk and I believe they can see those account details? I could be wrong. I don't like using Tapatalk and the reason I use my laptop is because it's easier to do moderating/admin duties.

 

[Lamb]

I'm done with that nonsense.

When you feign you are confused by basic punctuation so to take issue with me on yet another level, it's either that English is not your first language, you're lacking basic intelligence or you're just a punk who has severe issues.


We're done.
You do show the answer to my other thread that was a question.

Why is this forum so dead?
Behaviors like yours. We don't need forums. Forums need members.

God help you with your Misogyny.
God help all women within your circle.

Site owner: Wonder why you have so few members? Word spreads when you have a couple of members here who want to make for a graceless atmosphere.
Albion, and Lee's,who thrives on anger.
Rid yourself of them and you'll see a better community.
If the Apostles had their attitude toward Christians, Christianity wouldnt even rank as a memory in history.

My guess is that you're from Christian Forums where activity is high?

You'll find on all sites that there are members with whom you won't get along, and on every forum members come and go because they don't like the atmosphere. That's just how it is. I've been on staff on other Christian sites, so I've seen the complaints from all kinds of members.

There is an Ignore feature that is an option available if you don't like how someone responds to you. Removing members because you don't like how they respond (when it's not breaking the rules) is not the solution. We don't believe in being so draconian.

 

[Albion]

She said it herself. I "didn't approve of her (unorthodox religious) opinions." Therefore, I must be a Mysogynist. LOL

 

[Albion]

I'm not sure if we can get the mobile version of the site to show account details such as faith (denomination), married or age. I rarely log in using my phone, and usually when members do, it's through Tapatalk and I believe they can see those account details? I could be wrong. I don't like using Tapatalk and the reason I use my laptop is because it's easier to do moderating/admin duties.

Well, it really doesn't matter. That comment of mine about seeing my church affiliation on the profile was an afterthought since I had already written out the answer for her in the message.

When someone says, in exasperation, "you must be a Catholic, then" or similar words, what it means is that the writer either knows relatively little about Christianity and the difference between the major denominations or else they really, really, need to change the subject!

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

I did look. My phone doesn't show any details on anyone's profile.

Is it Android or iPhone?

 

[janarbeth]

Hi there! That's an interesting question. For me, true Christianity is not about a particular faith movement or denomination but rather about following the teachings of Jesus Christ and striving to live out His message of love, compassion, and service to others. While different faith movements may have different interpretations of certain aspects of the Bible, I believe that the core values of Christianity - such as humility, forgiveness, and generosity - are universal and can be found in many different traditions. What matters most is our relationship with God and our commitment to living out our faith in a way that reflects the love and grace of Jesus Christ.

 

[Lamb]

Hi there! That's an interesting question.

Welcome to CH. Are you really Catholic but don't accept the trinity or creed?