The False Doctrine of Purgatory

[Albion]

Faith and baptism Mk 16:26 acts 2:38-39 promise made by God is a sacred oath or sacrament ez 36:25-27 1 pet 3:20-21
God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38


Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

Born again! Born from above!

At first glance, it appears that you meant to reply to my comment that the Bible defines the "pillar and ground of truth" as the "household of faith," which is a reference to the people of God, not some paticular religious organization or institution (RCC, EO, or any other).

But instead you spent a lot of effort on addressing something else which was never identified. (?)

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

At first glance, it appears that you meant to reply to my comment that the Bible defines the "pillar and ground of truth" as the "household of faith," which is a reference to the people of God, not some paticular religious organization or institution (RCC, EO, or any other).

But instead you spent a lot of effort on addressing something else which was never identified. (?)

Christ not founded one church Matt 16:18-19 jn 10:16

 

[Lamb]

Believers are not even Christians
But only catechumens the church is the body (physical) of Christ by faith and baptism

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Believers are not even Christians? Where does it say that in the bible?

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Believers are not even Christians? Where does it say that in the bible?

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

And so they are Christians believing Jesus in Mk 16:16

 

[Josiah]

men wrote it

Thus your church did not. Once again, you note your error, you show you are wrong.




To the thread: This dogma (unique to the singular Catholic Church - no other church teaches this) has ZERO support in Scripture or Tradition. The singulsr RCC just made it up. Now, in the Eastern Orthodox Church, they note that Scripture suggests that nothing "impure" may enter heaven and so THEORIZE (no doctrine, no dogma!) that at the microsecond of death (less than that!).... as we are carried into heaven... SOMEHOW, in some entirely unknown and mysterious way, we are "purified" (whatever that entails). NO place.... NO time.... NO punishment... a miracle performed entirely by God in the microsecond we enter heaven. Now, I can live with that THEORY. But of course, Purgatory is MUCH, MUCH more than that.... and it ain't theory but dogma (since 1274). I find Purgatory to not only be entirely baseless but undermining the truth of Jesus as the Savior.



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[Faithhopeandcharity]

Thus your church did not. Once again, you note your error, you show you are wrong.




To the thread: This dogma (unique to the singular Catholic Church - no other church teaches this) has ZERO support in Scripture or Tradition. The singulsr RCC just made it up. Now, in the Eastern Orthodox Church, they note that Scripture suggests that nothing "impure" may enter heaven and so THEORIZE (no doctrine, no dogma!) that at the microsecond of death (less than that!).... as we are carried into heaven... SOMEHOW, in some entirely unknown and mysterious way, we are "purified" (whatever that entails). NO place.... NO time.... NO punishment... a miracle performed entirely by God in the microsecond we enter heaven. Now, I can live with that THEORY. But of course, Purgatory is MUCH, MUCH more than that.... and it ain't theory but dogma (since 1274). I find Purgatory to not only be entirely baseless but undermining the truth of Jesus as the Savior.



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You don’t understand the nature of sin or how purgatory is part of God’s Providence and the merits of Christ Jn 1:16-17

 

[Joshua1Eight]

Purgatory is not false doctrine. It is supported by scripture.

 

[Lamb]

Purgatory is not false doctrine. It is supported by scripture.

But it's not in the bible. Unless you're going to try to support it through the Apocrypha?

 

[Fritz Kobus]

No, Purgatory is not true. Look at the thief on the cross. Did he deserve purgatory? Surely he had no chance to do anything much more than believe, and his one good work would be confessing his Lord Jesus. Yet, Jesus told him that very day he would be with Jesus in paradise. Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

 

[Josiah]

But it's not in the bible. Unless you're going to try to support it through the Apocrypha?

... even then. After all, the EOC also accepts that DEUTEROcanonical book but has no dogma of Purgatory - at least not the RCC dogma.



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[lismore]

I attended a second cousin's funeral recently in the RCC and the priest talked of purgatory, saying that she was a righteous lady in many ways and he hoped she would not spend too long there. He was trying to comfort the family I believe.

For myself I don't believe in purgatory, the blood of Jesus Christ our Saviour purifies us from all unrighteousness. 'All'. God Bless

 

[Albion]

I attended a second cousin's funeral recently in the RCC and the priest talked of purgatory, saying that she was a righteous lady in many ways and he hoped she would not spend too long there. He was trying to comfort the family I believe.