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You said you only follow "valid" bishops. Therefore, you are rejecting any that you don't think are valid...
I just don’t follow them
 

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“Thee faith” revealed by Christ! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Do you think the Assisi prayer for peace is catholic? Better check the 1st commandment!
The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Truth is revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles) Jude 1:3 then proposed by the church! Matt 28:19

There have been invalid or anti-popes in history! By their fruits you shall know them
So what do they teach? Thee faith or modernism progressivism heresy?
Since Pius 12 there room for doubt in my opinion
How can that be possible when pope selection is guided by the Holy Spirit?
 

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These arguments are going nowhere so I'm going to summarise my points and then leave it.

1. I showed what the Catholic Church actually teaches about Purgatory rather than the fanciful ideas some people have - see posts #34 & #86

2. I showed these ideas are also present in Judaism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism - see post #34 & #75

3. I showed that the early Church also believed in Purgatory and praying for the dead - see post #56 & #57

4. I showed that there is much scriptural evidence for Purgatory - see posts #40, #47, #58, #59.

God bless

Stephen
I will also summarize:

1. The quote is a fair summary of what the RCC has historicaly taught about Purgatory but no longer does.

2.These "ideas" are NOT also present in Judaism, Orthodoxy, and Protestantism, although if you create a statement as broad as that one, there probably is going to be some degree of similarity in some respects, not that this means Purgatory is believed by any of those other faiths.

3. The Early church did NOT believe in Purgatory but it has believed in praying for the dead. You've combined the two issues inaccurately.

4. There is virtually NO Scriptural evidence for Purgatory. In the Apocrypha, some Jews were seen to be praying for the dead in the belief that this might loose them from their sins, but this is not even to scratch the surface of what "Purgatory" means...and in addition, the passage gives no hint that such a practice was approved of or is correct, but just that those people were observed doing this. As for other verses, "penny be paid' and "fire" appear here or there, but those references do not go anywhere near to proving a concept like Purgatory.
 

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Anyone can say that. It is still opinion.
I said it was my opinion
But I did not start a new religion or new sects or create doctrine
No they don’t. They vote to decide who will be the next pope.
conclaves are held in secret, so how do you know?
 

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I said it was my opinion
But I did not start a new religion or new sects or create doctrine

conclaves are held in secret, so how do you know?

It’s common knowledge. Are you suggesting they’re lying about the process and how do YOU know?
 

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I said it was my opinion
But I did not start a new religion or new sects or create doctrine

conclaves are held in secret, so how do you know?
You want to hear my theories on Jn 23?
 

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I thought we went over this ground before? Maybe it was somebody else
The Freemason and the church founded by Christ are in a fight to the death, as they say, and the Freemasons never ever lived or praised any valid pope, but they love and praise roncalli, red flag? The day after roncalli was announced without doing anything the French Freemasons said and I quote “we wholeheartedly support the Revolution of John 23”! What revolution?
“For a hundred years we have tried to get the church to recognize our principles, with the second Vatican council we triumphed”!

room for doubts?
I make no definitive statement of absolute truth but yes I have my doubts
 

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I’m say something is fishy red flags room for doubt
 

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Roncalli aka Jn 23 was a known modernist despised by Pius 12 and the last possible cardinal to be elected, yet he is marched out on the balcony and there were three sources stating he would be “pope” before the conclave, so it’s a least suspicious and contrary to the Holy Spirit!

he proclaimed himself an anti-pope
When asked what will to do as “pope” he said, whatever Pius the 12 (valid pope) would do, “I will do the opposite”!
Declaring himself anti-pope

hope you’re not confused
 

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You hope1960

is that when you were born?
 
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