"the one who stands firm to the end will be saved"...

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I'd say it's either there or it isn't. The idea of "working at it" until some level of love is achieved doesn't seem quite right to me.

However, the word "love" is probably also a stumbling block, considering how many different meanings we assign to that word and many of them refer to some less important feelings.
 

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I'd say it's either there or it isn't. The idea of "working at it" until some level of love is achieved doesn't seem quite right to me.

However, the word "love" is probably also a stumbling block, considering how many different meanings we assign to that word and many of them refer to some less important feelings.
Divine love, to and fro? Not sure what greek is used in the NT, agape?
 

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Lucian, do you think about God everyday?
I don't know. I think about the idea my brain has about what and how God is. I do not know if said idea coincides with the reality of what and how God is. I think about the idea of God everyday, yes.
 

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How can I muster up this love that is required?

Your love isn't the requirement for salvation because that would mean it's contingent on YOU and it's not. God's love is enough for us because He loved us first to provide the Savior for us.
 

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To be honest, I find that statement to be absurd. Why were they not of them? Did they choose to not be of them?
There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal/pseudo" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
 

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There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal/pseudo" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
What do you mean by that? I'm not sure how it relates to my question.
 

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matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!
 

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So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!


You are totally confusing Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide - Soli Deo Gloria with a Calvinist idea of Once Saved Always Saved. They are two VERY different teachings and the great majority of Protestants embrace the first and reject the later.


See the following...





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