Clearing the Rubble Heap Between Jew and Gentile

[eddif]

The wall separating Jew and gentile has been broken down by Jesus. However the rubble from that wall seems to still be pretty high.
I am interested in finding out how both Jewish and gentile persons speak to the mountain of rubble to be thrown into the sea

Faith in what Jesus did is the answer. Prophets of old said the Gentiles would share a part with the Jewish heritage. New Testament Jewish Christian writers tell of gentile converts.
One major hurdle is with the gentiles. We as Gentiles are a branch, but we are a grafted in branch and not a natural branch. The Gentiles are way too high minded of themselves. I personally have been too high minded. So a high amount of the rubble between us is gentile garbage.
Has God blessed the Gentiles? Sure. Have we appreciated it? I am interested in scriptural comments by others. I will quote scriptures also.

The Jewish persons who believe the Gentiles must must keep the Law of Moses have part of the rubble that exists.

I want a Godly discussion on these matters.
I want administrators involved.
I believe God wants the rubble cleared.

if I have to be removed that is ok. The concept of peace is good. I may cause problems and another may have to take over.

The pile of rubble is not a source of stones to through at one another. The refuse needs to be consigned to the sea.

Help.

Mississippi redneck
eddi

 

[Lamb]

Jews today, unless they are messianic or Jews for Jesus are not Christian since they reject the Jesus that died on the cross, saying He is not their Savior.

 

[Andrew]

Goats have no part in the "rubble"

 

[eddif]

Jews today, unless they are messianic or Jews for Jesus are not Christian since they reject the Jesus that died on the cross, saying He is not their Savior.

A couple of things.
Most of the NT scripture Gentiles use, is written by Messianic Jews.
Peter even backed away from the Gentiles he helped bring into Christianity. Peterbdeneyed Jesus three times in one day. So, closet Jewish persons probably exist, and if p Edter finally got it together, i Should they openly confess Jesus? Yes. However, this lack of confession is part of the rubble.

I want your presence in this thread often. If it has to have a list of allowed posters; that will work.

I realize the problems with the topic. I also realize I will be the major guy that is seen as the enemy. I need folks praying for this to work.
Gentiles writing on the subject create side notes that undo scripture on the subject. In some cases they are probably as bad as Jewish traditions that undo the Word of God.

A true Messianic Jew preaches Jesus Christ, and understands how to use the law lawfully.

A true Christian gentile realizes his position as a grafted in wild branch. He is humbled by the goodness of God.

I can not really explain what got me where I am. I beat on everyone with my Bible quotes. Suddenly it seems like God got sick of it and tightened up on my thoughts. Am I better? Perhaps. Am I where I need to be? Not even close.

shut up eddif

 

[eddif]

Goats have no part in the "rubble"

Today a goat - tomorrow a born again person.
when the goat is changed, perhaps they will remove some rubble.

what was Peter while he was cussing and denying Jesus.

What are we when we are speaking against the natural branch.

old sorry eddif

 

[eddif]

All have sinned and fall short.
Must we just see the other group as the really bad ones.

Who has the advantage. Romans 3 first few verses. But my study Bible says .......

Jewish and Gentile persons tend to tell us what scriptures say. Read the scriptures and see where you should go. The side notes started very early. In the garden of Eden the serpent began contradicting the Word of God, or if you wish asked questions that led to errors in thinking.

Just because our group of 333,000 has believed something since 1244( made up date) does not make a thought right. Judge what is right, not what is your personal opinion or your groups opinion.
Peter says Paul is hard to understand. The books Paul wrote are hard to understand.
Cleaning up and throwing away
junk is tough. I have trouble doing it.

eddif

 

[Lamb]

All have sinned and fall short.
Must we just see the other group as the really bad ones.

Who has the advantage. Romans 3 first few verses. But my study Bible says .......

Jewish and Gentile persons tend to tell us what scriptures say. Read the scriptures and see where you should go. The side notes started very early. In the garden of Eden the serpent began contradicting the Word of God, or if you wish asked questions that led to errors in thinking.

Just because our group of 333,000 has believed something since 1244( made up date) does not make a thought right. Judge what is right, not what is your personal opinion or your groups opinion.
Peter says Paul is hard to understand. The books Paul wrote are hard to understand.
Cleaning up and throwing away
junk is tough. I have trouble doing it.

eddif

@eddif wrote: Must we make the other group as the really bad ones?
That's very weak theology.

We are either believers or non-believers. Jews are not automatically believers because they have Jewish heritage. If they reject the Savior they damn themselves...does that make them good?

 

[eddif]

@eddif wrote: Must we make the other group as the really bad ones?
That's very weak theology.

We are either believers or non-believers. Jews are not automatically believers because they have Jewish heritage. If they reject the Savior they damn themselves...does that make them good?

There is one good God the Father.
1. What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2.Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
The Jew has an advantage, and I think that is what I said. They have scriptures and promises others do not have,

I am absolutely quoting scripture. I try and avoid giving my opinion.

I keep getting a confirm email message. I have touched the confirm button several times on several trips to my email.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Jews today, unless they are messianic or Jews for Jesus are not Christian since they reject the Jesus that died on the cross, saying He is not their Savior.

Romans 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob


A promise made by God will happen.

the Gentiles are warned to realize they must take care and not fall away.

eddif just attending to the public reading of scripture.

 

[eddif]

Romans 11:17
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

The Gentiles were grafted in from a wild tree. I will not boast as a gentile convert into Christ and Christ in me.
I am saved by belief in Jesus and not by works.
eddif

 

[Lamb]

1 John 5:10-12

Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.



If anyone rejects Jesus the Savior, he no longer is a part of Israel.

 

[eddif]

Romans 11:1

1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3.Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image ofBaal.

some of Israel did sin, but not all of Israel.
eddif

 

[eddif]

Romans 11:5 kjv
5.

 

[eddif]

5.Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace

6. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it isof works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Election / Grace brought some of Israel in.

 

[eddif]

11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9: And David saith, Let their table be made a snare,and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10. Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

God worked through punishment to help the Gentiles. But God did not make a complete fall, but continues the story.

 

[eddif]

12. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14. If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16. For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

God is working even in the middle of trouble. Very similar to letting Lazarus die that he might be raised from the dead.
eddif

 

[Lamb]

Scripture clearly states that those who trust Jesus as their Savior will have eternal life. Those who reject him will not have eternal life.

Those Jews who died and still rejected Jesus are not going to heaven.

 

[eddif]

17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
20. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Warning to Gentiles not to feel special ( they were broken off because of their sin).

If god broke off the natural branches he can punish you.

 

[eddif]

22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in hisgoodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off
23. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26.And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

israel still has hope
eddif

 

[eddif]

28. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31. Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

At this point in time will we show them mercy?
eddif