Clearing the Rubble Heap Between Jew and Gentile

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I guess I want you to take me through some of the ceremonial law and it’s relevance to accepting Jesus as our savior and Lord.
I think this is a non stressful and relaxed normal type question.
You can describe actions and recognized outcome we cherish as Christians.
This is not a trick question. Maybe you have already done it and I just missed it. Or maybe you think it was just for Jewish persons to meditate on.
Thanks ahead of time
eddif

Maybe this should be a completely new topic.
 

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The Hebrew Scriptures (called the “Old Testament” (OT) by Christendom) are acknowledged (superficially at least) by that same Christendom, to be equally inspired by God as what it terms the “New Testament” (NT).

Yet they are largely ignored, or explained away if inconvenient attention is drawn to them.

We would be less than honest were we not to acknowledge the imprecision and the inconsistency that are necessarily applied to NT Scriptures by the various sectors of Christendom in defence of their particular cherished beliefs.

How much more then must OT Scriptures be ignored and twisted when they threaten even more profoundly some of the cardinal (fundamental) beliefs held by segments of Christendom.

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One example is that God’s statements pertaining to a continuing physical Israel, are said to pertain to the Church.

Ezekiel Chapter 18 speaks of a then future time when people (with focus on Israel) will be rewarded or condemned based on obedience. It is couched in terms of the Law because that couching penetrated deep within the hearts of the prophet’s readers of the day. It does not refer to faith, nor does it refer to the covering of sins by sacrifices. It applies to a time of history that has not yet existed – a time when the fate of those alive at that time will depend on their obedience alone.

Jeremiah Chapter 31 speaks of the same period of time, that future one. You will notice how Christendom has hijacked Jeremiah 31:31 to apply to itself (out of context, of necessity).

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Israel is, and will remain, alive and healthy. Other Scripture indicates that Israel will be the source of spiritual blessing to all nations at that time yet to come.

But of course, that does not fit in with a lot of the “Christian” belief that we see floating around. Does it?

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The Hebrew Scriptures (called the “Old Testament” (OT) by Christendom) are acknowledged (superficially at least) by that same Christendom, to be equally inspired by God as what it terms the “New Testament” (NT).

Yet they are largely ignored, or explained away if inconvenient attention is drawn to them.

We would be less than honest were we not to acknowledge the imprecision and the inconsistency that are necessarily applied to NT Scriptures by the various sectors of Christendom in defence of their particular cherished beliefs.

How much more then must OT Scriptures be ignored and twisted when they threaten even more profoundly some of the cardinal (fundamental) beliefs held by segments of Christendom.

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One example is that God’s statements pertaining to a continuing physical Israel, are said to pertain to the Church.

Ezekiel Chapter 18 speaks of a then future time when people (with focus on Israel) will be rewarded or condemned based on obedience. It is couched in terms of the Law because that couching penetrated deep within the hearts of the prophet’s readers of the day. It does not refer to faith, nor does it refer to the covering of sins by sacrifices. It applies to a time of history that has not yet existed – a time when the fate of those alive at that time will depend on their obedience alone.

Jeremiah Chapter 31 speaks of the same period of time, that future one. You will notice how Christendom has hijacked Jeremiah 31:31 to apply to itself (out of context, of necessity).

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Israel is, and will remain, alive and healthy. Other Scripture indicates that Israel will be the source of spiritual blessing to all nations at that time yet to come.

But of course, that does not fit in with a lot of the “Christian” belief that we see floating around. Does it?

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IMHO
The modern day (gentile heritage) Christian:
Seldom just reads the law and prophets in their purity (alone without side notes), but reads what centuries of commentators have said about the scriptures as the authority. The modern reader seems to not be in agony over what the prophets are saying.
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Basically the whole majority of the New Testament is a Jewish document. The Gentile conversion is not written by Gentiles.
I do not have a Jewish background, and I see your points. So, this leaves me in a position of being critiqued by both sides. Maybe this is ultimately good.
We are supposed to be made one new man. A combination of Jew and gentile.
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The Hebrew Scriptures are part of my guidelines of belief. I wind up having to not read the gentile side commentaries or the Jewish side commentaries. Both sides tear their clothes, and usually near about have a fit when I say this. Oh well. I can usually reconcile pure OT and NT
Scriptures with each other. It is the comments about those scriptures that mess my mind up. I do not need confusion, so there is no room for anything but scripture. (My apology to everyone).
I have been guilty of feeling my group had all the answers. I am not without sin. I desire to see peace. My years are growing shorter.

I am more than a conqueror. I do not have to fight. The things I have are / were secured by Jesus, and not by my efforts.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 

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The modern day (gentile heritage) Christian:
Seldom just reads the law and prophets in their purity (alone without side notes), but reads what centuries of commentators have said about the scriptures as the authority. The modern reader seems to not be in agony over what the prophets are saying.
….
Basically the whole majority of the New Testament is a Jewish document. The Gentile conversion is not written by Gentiles.
I do not have a Jewish background, and I see your points. So, this leaves me in a position of being critiqued by both sides. Maybe this is ultimately good.
We are supposed to be made one new man. A combination of Jew and gentile.
……
The Hebrew Scriptures are part of my guidelines of belief. I wind up having to not read the gentile side commentaries or the Jewish side commentaries. Both sides tear their clothes, and usually near about have a fit when I say this. Oh well. I can usually reconcile pure OT and NT
Scriptures with each other. It is the comments about those scriptures that mess my mind up. I do not need confusion, so there is no room for anything but scripture. (My apology to everyone).
I have been guilty of feeling my group had all the answers. I am not without sin. I desire to see peace. My years are growing shorter.

I am more than a conqueror. I do not have to fight. The things I have are / were secured by Jesus, and not by my efforts.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
Beauty is spoken from the heart of children.
 
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