Trump wanted to have open unrestricted convention in NC

[NewCreation435]

I heard in the news that President Trump contacted Governor Cooper of North Carolina to say that he wanted a open convention for the Republican Convention without any face masks or social distancing. The convention was to be held in August in Charlotte. There is now apparently a move to move at least most of the convention to another state since Cooper couldn't assure the President that would be possible. Cooper replied that he could not guarantee that given that he didn't know what would be happening with the COVID 19 virus at that time.
Our numbers in NC have actually been fairly consistent over the last few weeks. There is about 696 person currently in the hospital in the state due to the virus. In the county where Charlotte is, there are 5,509 lab confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 109 people have died in that county alone from the virus. It remains one of the highest rates of the virus in the state due to the fact that it is a very urban county. Over 511,000 tests have been conducted in the state since the start of the pandemic.
This leads me to think that the President would like us all to pretend that the virus doesn't exist or that he thinks by acting as though it does it diminishes the convention in some way. He would have me go to a county where nobody is practicing social distancing and the rate of cases is the highest anywhere in the state. It seems to be this is the equivalent of burying your head in the sand and saying you don't see anything. Not that I was going to go anyway, but it just strikes me as a dangerous idea to have a convention without any social distancing or masks. Not to mention, it goes against the CDC's guidelines.

NC most current covid 19 numbers here https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-05-29/as-trump-deadline-approaches-nc-wants-more-on-convention

 

[tango]

Or maybe Trump believes that the threat of the virus is overstated and that nationwide lockdowns are/were an overreaction and acts in accordance with what he believes.

 

[ARx182]

Trump is a clown. End of discussion.

 

[NewCreation435]

Or maybe Trump believes that the threat of the virus is overstated and that nationwide lockdowns are/were an overreaction and acts in accordance with what he believes.

Based on what science is he thinking this? If he did think that I would listen if he would present his understanding of the facts. But, all he says is he wants businesses to open.

 

[tango]

Based on what science is he thinking this? If he did think that I would listen if he would present his understanding of the facts. But, all he says is he wants businesses to open.

I have no idea what he is basing his personal beliefs upon. Honestly I think there's little point him presenting much of what underpins his views - those who approve of him will continue to approve and those who disapprove will continue to disapprove.

The last figures I saw on the CDC web site suggested the danger of the virus is massively lower than we were first told. Even reading the more left-leaning media doesn't leave me wondering if the world is about to burn around us the way it once did.

 

[Albion]

I heard in the news that President Trump contacted Governor Cooper of North Carolina to say that he wanted a open convention for the Republican Convention without any face masks or social distancing. The convention was to be held in August in Charlotte. There is now apparently a move to move at least most of the convention to another state since Cooper couldn't assure the President that would be possible. Cooper replied that he could not guarantee that given that he didn't know what would be happening with the COVID 19 virus at that time.

What you heard is inaccurate.

While I cannot deny and do not know whether Trump might have said at some time or other that he wanted to have a normal convention, the Republican Party officials who did the actual negotiating on the plans with Cooper reached the conclusion that they had no choice but to move it to another state.

They offered extraordinary disinfectant procedures to be done by the Party, mask wearing, and the usual precautions...and the Governor still remained non-committal at best.

He rejected the proposal that I just referred to and offered instead that he would be willing to go on "talking."

He also stated publicly that he considered the prospects for the convention coming off in Charlotte to be "unlikely."

Therefore, moving the convention was about the only option that the Republicans had.

And, by the way, there are a number of other state governors who urged the Party to move it to their state, so it's not as though the convention is simply impossible under conditions relating to the virus.

Because all the tiny tyrants who are today's Democratic governors have been following the same strategy of locking down their economies and issuing irrational and ever-changing regulations that no one can count on, there is every possibility that Cooper intended to equivocate on the convention until the "eleventh hour" when he would announce that he would not allow it to go forward under any conditions. For health reasons, of course LOL. This would be the perfect way to cancel out what is normally is a big and favorable publicity event for either political party.

 

[tango]

For health reasons, of course LOL. This would be the perfect way to cancel out what is normally is a big and favorable publicity event for either political party.

It's also a good way of deflecting blame under any circumstances.

If the economy suffers because of the loss of a major conference, blame the nasty Republicans who refused to even talk. If another state experiences even the slightest uptick in cases following the convention, blame the stupid Republicans who refused to take precautions.

Since few people appear to be holding governors accountable for economic carnage caused by pointless lockdown orders they get a one-way bet. Because, you know, if it saves just one life it's worth it. Shame the logic doesn't apply to the counterargument.

 

[NewCreation435]

What you heard is inaccurate.

While I cannot deny and do not know whether Trump might have said at some time or other that he wanted to have a normal convention, the Republican Party officials who did the actual negotiating on the plans with Cooper reached the conclusion that they had no choice but to move it to another state.

They offered extraordinary disinfectant procedures to be done by the Party, mask wearing, and the usual precautions...and the Governor still remained non-committal at best.

He rejected the proposal that I just referred to and offered instead that he would be willing to go on "talking."

He also stated publicly that he considered the prospects for the convention coming off in Charlotte to be "unlikely."

Therefore, moving the convention was about the only option that the Republicans had.

And, by the way, there are a number of other state governors who urged the Party to move it to their state, so it's not as though the convention is simply impossible under conditions relating to the virus.

Because all the tiny tyrants who are today's Democratic governors have been following the same strategy of locking down their economies and issuing irrational and ever-changing regulations that no one can count on, there is every possibility that Cooper intended to equivocate on the convention until the "eleventh hour" when he would announce that he would not allow it to go forward under any conditions. For health reasons, of course LOL. This would be the perfect way to cancel out what is normally is a big and favorable publicity event for either political party.

I have heard the opposite. Can you point to your source that says that Republicans are offering to wear masks and to take precautions?

 

[NerdGirl123]

I heard in the news that President Trump contacted Governor Cooper of North Carolina to say that he wanted a open convention for the Republican Convention without any face masks or social distancing. The convention was to be held in August in Charlotte. There is now apparently a move to move at least most of the convention to another state since Cooper couldn't assure the President that would be possible. Cooper replied that he could not guarantee that given that he didn't know what would be happening with the COVID 19 virus at that time.
Our numbers in NC have actually been fairly consistent over the last few weeks. There is about 696 person currently in the hospital in the state due to the virus. In the county where Charlotte is, there are 5,509 lab confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 109 people have died in that county alone from the virus. It remains one of the highest rates of the virus in the state due to the fact that it is a very urban county. Over 511,000 tests have been conducted in the state since the start of the pandemic.
This leads me to think that the President would like us all to pretend that the virus doesn't exist or that he thinks by acting as though it does it diminishes the convention in some way. He would have me go to a county where nobody is practicing social distancing and the rate of cases is the highest anywhere in the state. It seems to be this is the equivalent of burying your head in the sand and saying you don't see anything. Not that I was going to go anyway, but it just strikes me as a dangerous idea to have a convention without any social distancing or masks. Not to mention, it goes against the CDC's guidelines.

NC most current covid 19 numbers here https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-05-29/as-trump-deadline-approaches-nc-wants-more-on-convention

1. That roughly 5,500 cases number is the total number of cases since the pandemic started, not the current number of active infections. According to Wikipedia, the total number of active cases for the entire state as of June 7th was only 921.
2. It's not August. It's only the first week of June.
3. Don't go to the convention if you're not comfortable with it...?
4. The CDC's guidelines for right now may not be what they are in August.
5. This is a prime example of the media fear-mongering away all common sense.

 

[tango]

5,500 total cases? Wow, must be time to run for the hills.

Mecklenburg County, NC has a population of about 1.1 million, so that staggering number of cases means (fiddles with fingers)..... about 0.5% of the population.

If that doesn't indicate the sky is falling I don't know what does.

Hang on. Let me turn off Xi-N-N mode.

Maybe a 0.5% infection rate isn't the disaster some would like to think it is.

 

[NewCreation435]

1. That roughly 5,500 cases number is the total number of cases since the pandemic started, not the current number of active infections. According to Wikipedia, the total number of active cases for the entire state as of June 7th was only 921.
2. It's not August. It's only the first week of June.
3. Don't go to the convention if you're not comfortable with it...?
4. The CDC's guidelines for right now may not be what they are in August.
5. This is a prime example of the media fear-mongering away all common sense.

Yes, your right that it is not August and the CDC guidelines may not be the same in August. We simply cannot tell what they will be. So, to guarantee that you could have an open convention with no social distancing or masks would be irresponsible. The statistics that you are looking at is the new cases each day not the total for the state. 921 cases in the last 24 hours. If your going to use a source at least use it accurately.
total cases since pandemic started is 30,777
recovered 18,890
deaths 969.
The New York Times actually reports the total number of affected in NC at 36,484 and 1,032 deaths.

North Carolina Coronavirus Map and Case Count

See the latest charts and maps of coronavirus cases, deaths, hospitalizations and vaccinations in North Carolina.

www.nytimes.com

 

[JRT]

Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.
I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of [Staff edit]. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

Not just the British, this Canadian adds a big 'Amen" to this

 

[tango]

It's also safe to throw stones from a great distance. The UK has a very vocal left wing as well, which typically dislikes any US politician with an R after their name, just as it dislikes any politician who is part of the British Conservative Party.

For what it's worth I'm not a great fan of Trump but I'd take him over Joe Biden in a nanosecond.

 

[JRT]

Nothing wrong about a left wing --- it takes both to fly.

 

[Lamb]

Nothing wrong about a left wing --- it takes both to fly.

One wing could be a little broken and needs fixing?

 

[tango]

Nothing wrong about a left wing --- it takes both to fly.

Nothing wrong with the left wing, it's just that the silly fringes of the left wing seem to be getting sillier by the day. Not that the silly fringes of the right wing are any less silly, they are just less vocal at present.

 

[Josiah]

I'm looking forward to the Democrat Party Convention with an entirely empty hall and Biden talking via the internet with a mask on so we can't hear him.



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[Albion]

Nothing wrong with the left wing, it's just that the silly fringes of the left wing seem to be getting sillier by the day. Not that the silly fringes of the right wing are any less silly, they are just less vocal at present.

"Silly" doesn't seem the right word for people who want to destroy everything in sight, brutalize and rob bystanders, kill policemen, and ultimately establish a totalitarian state in place of a constitutional republic.

 

[tango]

"Silly" doesn't seem the right word for people who want to destroy everything in sight, brutalize and rob bystanders, kill policemen, and ultimately establish a totalitarian state in place of a constitutional republic.

True, although when what might have been a peaceful protest is hijacked by extremists I'd be wary of extremists from either side trying to discredit the other side. When one side blames antifa and the other blames the far right it's hard to know which side to believe. I wouldn't honestly put it beyond either side to do cause trouble to discredit the other side.

 

[Albion]

I'd say that that may be ANTIFA's greatest victory to date--fooling people into thinking that its plotting and criminality are equalled by some vague "far right" groups. But on the other hand, that's almost always the defense used by far left organizations and their sympathizers.

Find one stray example of something bad here or there that can be attributed to anybody on the political right and then talk as though that and the crimes of the other side essentially even out, meaning that we cannot honestly blame anyone in particular or else that the problem is just something that's typical of America.