The gods behind abortion

[hjhsjnsshdjdh]

" IF men strive (fight), and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit (baby) depart (is born early) from her, and yet no mischief (hurt or death) follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief (hurt or death) follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." Exodus 21:22-25
" These six things does the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto HIM: a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaks lies, and he that sows discord among the brethren." Proverbs 6:16-19

 

[Josiah]

the only thing I dont understand is a poor person voting Republican.

I'm not poor, I'm not rich. BUT I do believe that by far the greatest moral issue of our day is the EIGHTY innocent, defenseless people being horribly, painfully MURDERED every hour in the USA..... more per year than have died in every war in US history combined, many multiples of how many are killed by guns (even by cops in self - defense) because no right matters if the right to exist is denied. And EVERY DEMOCRAT running for President, and all but one Democrat in the Senate passionately SUPPORTS this.... makes it a centerpiece of their agenda.... supports this for any or no reason at all.... at least during all 9 months.... and eager to have the taxpayers pay for it. I find that horrible, disgusting, and morally outragious. Sure, Democrats may feel that being financially successful is a bigger sin, a bigger moral problem but I disagree.

Yes, I know the Democrats supported slavery back in that day..... and now support a much more horrible thing.... but I would not have voted for a pro-slavery Democrat in the 1850's and I won't for a pro-abortion Democrat in the 2020's. Awhile ago, slavery was practically a Sacrament among Democrats... now it's abortion. Disgusting. Revoluting. Morality matters. Human rights matters. Children matter. Life matters.


I cannot comprehend how anyone who is a Christian, who cares even a bit about human rights, who thinks life matters, who think child abuse is even a tiny bit bad, how they POSSIBLY could vote for and support these pro-abortion Democrats. Even if they think they are poor and believe Democrats that they care about the poor. Meaningless if one is dead..... murdered.... painfully..... innocent and defenseless.... killed perhaps because they discovered their baby is a girl and they want a boy or maybe for a lesser reason or no reason at all.... and the government pays for it with the taxes on the living... and THIS the issue they are so passionate about, SO dedicated to supporting. Amazing. Disgusting.


Later I'll tell you what I really think of these Democrats and those who support them in this by voting for them.





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[Albion]

I am talking social programs that the Republicans love to cut or do away with not morality although I could make a case that helping the wealthy and cutting the poor is a moral issue. Letsa get down to brass tacks, people will always vote their wallet the only thing I dont understand is a poor person voting Republican.

Not so long as they believe the promises that the Democrats so cravenly shower them with--"free this, free that, free whatever you want. We'll call it a human right!"

The fact that almost all the Democrats running for the presidency are millionaires themselves, and they all are 'on the take' from other millionaires and billionaires, ought to tell "the poor" something. And you too. But it never seems to get through.

 

[tango]

Maybe if republicans would quit helping the rich and hu
rting the poor they would get more votes

Honestly, this is such a non-answer it frankly beggars belief that it's even offered. What you're effectively doing here is accepting that one side is quite happy with killing more of the unborn in a month than guns (their other pet hate) kill in a year, but apparently it's OK because the nasty Republicans want rich people to keep more of what they earned. And yet in other threads you insist on Biblical morality where homosexuality is concerned. So putting it all together it seems it's not OK for a woman to love another woman but it's just fine if she wants to kill the unborn in her womb.

Sometimes there really is no answer.

 

[tango]

I am talking social programs that the Republicans love to cut or do away with not morality although I could make a case that helping the wealthy and cutting the poor is a moral issue. Letsa get down to brass tacks, people will always vote their wallet the only thing I dont understand is a poor person voting Republican. I hate noone rich included but I do have a problemn with the government helping them with tax cuts and many rich not even paying taxes, that is my problem and where politics is concerned I hate to tell you but there is not righteous politician

You don't understand why a poor person votes Republican? Perhaps because they don't see government programs as a useful means of actually helping people. Perhaps they have seen how government programs have an uncanny ability to ignore the truly needy while throwing money to enable the idle. The Democrats like to pretend they are about helping poor people but handouts and entitlements often do very little to help - if anything what they often do is destroy hope because nothing discourages people from providing for themselves quite like the threat of having the metaphorical rug pulled out from underneath them.

Helping the poor is a moral issue. The trouble with so many government programs is that they stop it from being a moral issue and turn it into a legal issue. Jesus told us to love the unlovely, James said pure and undefiled religion was helping widows and orphans (and it's not a huge leap to figure that includes anyone who Jesus might have called "the least of these"). Note that the command is to get on with it, not to vote for social programs so that Someone Else gets stuck with the bill while the government builds an empire around it, wasting a lot of resources in the process.

Look at something as simple as a food bank (if I recall your church runs a food bank, my last church also ran a food bank). When people come in the food bank meets an immediate practical need but can also provide for other needs along the way. Being very hard up can be socially isolating, and the people attending can sit and have a cup of coffee or something, and a bit of social company with the volunteers. People using the food bank can feel like they are being judged, so if they can sit and collect some food and enjoy a (free) cup of coffee without getting the sense that people are disapproving of them and their life choices (sadly white Christians do, statistically speaking, have a tendency to assume poverty is a result of bad decisions rather than bad circumstance) and so on. This is immediately so much more useful than a government bureaucrat running a computer program to determine that the person is entitled to $28.33 this week, making sure a check for the exact amount is mailed to them, and overlooking the fact that the person in question can't do much with it because the only place that sells food within 5 miles is a Dollar General that offers nothing more than garbage loaded with fat and sugar, and they can't go further afield because their car is off the road and they can't afford to have it fixed.

Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to be opposed to overly generous individual welfare while also opposing corporate welfare. Disliking a bloated welfare state doesn't automatically imply someone would sell their grandmother as long as MegaCorp didn't have to pay a dime in extra taxes.

 

[Josiah]

Honestly, this is such a non-answer it frankly beggars belief that it's even offered. What you're effectively doing here is accepting that one side is quite happy with killing more of the unborn in a month than guns (their other pet hate) kill in a year, but apparently it's OK because the nasty Republicans want rich people to keep more of what they earned. And yet in other threads you insist on Biblical morality where homosexuality is concerned. So putting it all together it seems it's not OK for a woman to love another woman but it's just fine if she wants to kill the unborn in her womb.

Sometimes there really is no answer.

Yup.... we have these multi-millionaires and these two multi-BILLIONAIRES running for the nomination of the Democratic Party..... shouting about how the rich are the problem, the enemy.... (hints of the Nazi's and the Jews?) And yet look where these Democrats have been in complete power for decades, where they have done to the poor what they say they must.... been to Detroit lately? Look at the South from 1900-1960 and see what the Democrats did for the poor.

But here's what stuns me. The Democrats of old supported slavery so passionately because all that mattered was the power of the powerful over the less so, the pocketbooks of their supporters - "rights" had to do with their members and contributers but had NOTHING to do with the Black man. Money, power - not people, not human rights. Now, we have the Democratic Party so passionately being pro-abortion, that matters because what matters is the power of the powerful over the less so, the pocketbooks of their supporters - "rights" has to do with their party members and contributors - rights has NOTHING to do with unborn children, unborn girls. Disgusting.


MAYBE.... if Democratic leaders and if the Democratic Party publicly apologized for their immorality in this.... denounced its support and role in the murder of over 40 million American children....the murder of over 80 children PER HOUR.... steadfastly stated they would from now on support children, support life, support human rights (and then DO that), maybe I'd listen to what else they have to say and propose. But as long as they support and fund the horrible, painful MURDER millions of babies (and embrace this almost as their 'sacrament'), as long as they support more such murders every year than died in all of WWII, I don't care what else they say (it would come from the same horrible morality, I'm sure).




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[hjhsjnsshdjdh]

No one is arguing that a zef is not alive just that its' 'rights' are far less important than those of the woman carrying it.

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Says who, mankind ? We slaughter each other as if it were a sport ! GOD does not look at the unborn that way. HE demands a life for a life if someone causes the death of an unborn child. You seem to get the Laws of GOD and the laws of man mixed up. WE WILL be held accountable for every life that we deliberately killed in the womb and now the 8 states that allow a woman to change her mind and kill her baby right after birth, murder in the womb and murder outside the womb ! It matters not a whit what any of us think but it matters what GOD says and HE says it is murder !

 

[kiwimac]

Says who, mankind ? We slaughter each other as if it were a sport ! GOD does not look at the unborn that way. HE demands a life for a life if someone causes the death of an unborn child. You seem to get the Laws of GOD and the laws of man mixed up. WE WILL be held accountable for every life that we deliberately killed in the womb and now the 8 states that allow a woman to change her mind and kill her baby right after birth, murder in the womb and murder outside the womb ! It matters not a whit what any of us think but it matters what GOD says and HE says it is murder !

No, there is no requirement for a life for a life for the unborn.

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[hjhsjnsshdjdh]

You should have read my first answer Exodus 21:22-25 demands a life for a life of an unborn child that was killed within the womb.

 

[tango]

No one is arguing that a zef is not alive just that its' 'rights' are far less important than those of the woman carrying it.

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... which is kind of the problem. You end up with a situation where one human is allowed to say "this other human is inconvenient to me, so I want to kill it". But hey, why stop at the unborn? Perhaps parents who have a child and then change their mind should be allowed to just send the child off to an execution chamber or something. Because, you know, nobody is saying it's not alive, just that it's "rights" are less important than someone else's.

 

[kiwimac]

You should have read my first answer Exodus 21:22-25 demands a life for a life of an unborn child that was killed within the womb.

No, it does not. The Hebrew of the passage refers to damage done to the woman. Anything done to the foetus is considered property damage and is covered by a fine.

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[Josiah]

Letsa get down to brass tacks, people will always vote their wallet the only thing I dont understand is a poor person voting Republican.

I don't think so. I CERTAINLY do not.


The #1 issue for me today is pro-life (it would have been pro-abolition if I had lived in the USA 200 years ago). I'm not a "one issue voter" BUT there is one issue that is a deal-breaker; if one actually supports the horrible, painful MURDER of at least 70 innocent, defenseless pre-born children EVERY HOUR here in the USA. 100 EVERY HOUR. And yes, every Democrat running for president in 2020 supports this very passionately, for any or no reason whatsoever, for at least all 9 months, often paid for by we taxpayers. It's the most common and most horrible and most immoral child abuse in our country... and Democrats typically not only defend it but support it and claim it to be central to their campaign, they will protect this horror. I realize it is the party of slavery that supported slavery for over a century but this is a MUCH bigger and MUCH more horrible sin.


That Trump is pro-life.... that he has appointed many pro-life judges... that he is the first standing president to attend and participate and speak at the annual Pro Life March... does not qualify him for my vote. But the fact that whoever runs against him actually SUPPORTS and PROMOTE the horrible, painful MURDER of innocent, defenseless children disqualifies them.


Democrats may be falling over each other, each trying to undo the other in the FREEBIES they claim they'll hand out (but don't have a clue how they'll pay for) but they can't buy my vote with silly promises they won't (and can't) keep. And no amount of financial freebies makes up for the innocent blood of 100 children PER HOUR.




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[kiwimac]

I don't think so. I CERTAINLY do not.


The #1 issue for me today is pro-life (it would have been pro-abolition if I had lived in the USA 200 years ago). I'm not a "one issue voter" BUT there is one issue that is a deal-breaker; if one actually supports the horrible, painful MURDER of at least 70 innocent, defensely pre-born children EVERY HOUR here in the USA. 70+. EVERY HOUR. And yes, every Democrat running for president in 2020 supports this very passionately, for any or no reason whatsoever, for at least all 9 months, often paid for by we taxpayers. It's the most common and most horrible and most immoral child abuse in our country... and Democrats typically not only defend it but support it and claim it to be central to their campaign, they will protect this horror. I realize it is the party of slavery that supported slavery for over a century but this is a MUCH bigger and MUCH more horrible sin.


That Trump is pro-life.... that he has appointed many pro-life judges... that he is the first standing president to attend and participate and speak at the annual Pro Life March... does not qualify him for my vote. But the fact that whoever runs against him actually SUPPORTS and PROMOTE the horrible, painful MURDER of innocent, defenseless children disqualifies them.


Democrats may be falling over each other, each trying to undo the other in the FREEBIES they claim they'll hand out (but don't have a clue how they'll pay for) but they can't buy my vote with silly promises they won't (and can't) keep. And no amount of financial freebies makes up for the innocent blood of 70 children PER HOUR.




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Most foetuses are aborted in the first three months long before anything is capable of feeling pain. Late-term abortions are for serious, life threatening illnesses. So leave your emotive rhetoric out of this discussion.

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[Josiah]

Most foetuses are aborted in the first three months long before anything is capable of feeling pain.

https://oneofus.eu/2013/05/expert-tells-congress-unborn-babies-can-feel-pain-starting-at-8-weeks/

Late-term abortions are for serious, life threatening illnesses.

Abortions right up to the moment the last cell of the baby exits the birth canal are legal. For any and no reason whatsoever. And EVERY Democrat running for President depends and supports that - including tax payers paying for it.

Only about 2% of abortions are even CLAIMED to be for "medical" reasons, although there is no definition of what that means, it can MENTAL health.




The USA has the 9th highest abortion rate in the world (notice the company we keep in this)... and has among the most extreme pro-death law

1. China
2. Bulgaria
3. Cuba
4. Estonia
5. Georgia
6. Kozakstan
7. Romania
8. Russia
9. United States of America



The USA conducts more children killings than any other country except China.
In 2018, we did 876,000 of these. That's 2400 per day. 100 per hour.
That's compared to 8,855 killed by guns (including by law enforcement), 24 per day, 1 per hour.
We kill more than twice as many children in abortion every year than Americans who died in all of World War II.
All the Democrats running are passionately opposed to guns (that kill 1 per hour, many not innocent) but passionately support killing children by abortion (that kills 100 per hour, all of them innocent, defenseless)


If we deprive 876,000 people EVERY YEAR, just in the USA, of the very right to BE, to EXIST, to LIVE.... what other right matters? We complain about how other countries violate human rights while we deprive 876,000 innocent children of THE most important, fundamental right of all (without which, no other right matters at all). And all the Democrats running for president support and defend this horror. Proudly.




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[kiwimac]

https://oneofus.eu/2013/05/expert-tells-congress-unborn-babies-can-feel-pain-starting-at-8-weeks/








Abortions right up to the moment the last cell of the baby exits the birth canal are legal. For any and no reason whatsoever. And EVERY Democrat running for President depends and supports that - including tax payers paying for it.

Only about 2% of abortions are even CLAIMED to be for "medical" reasons, although there is no definition of what that means, it can MENTAL health.




The USA has the 9th highest abortion rate in the world (notice the company we keep in this)... and has among the most extreme pro-death law

1. China
2. Bulgaria
3. Cuba
4. Estonia
5. Georgia
6. Kozakstan
7. Romania
8. Russia
9. United States of America



The USA conducts more children killings than any other country except China.
In 2018, we did 876,000 of these. That's 2400 per day. 100 per hour.
That's compared to 8,855 killed by guns (including by law enforcement), 24 per day, 1 per hour.
We kill more than twice as many children in abortion every year than Americans who died in all of World War II.
All the Democrats running are passionately opposed to guns (that kill 1 per hour, many not innocent) but passionately support killing children by abortion (that kills 100 per hour, all of them innocent, defenseless)


If we deprive 876,000 people EVERY YEAR, just in the USA, of the very right to BE, to EXIST, to LIVE.... what other right matters? We complain about how other countries violate human rights while we deprive 876,000 innocent children of THE most important, fundamental right of all (without which, no other right matters at all). And all the Democrats running for president support and defend this horror. Proudly.




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Abortion is a woman's right. Late term abortions are medically mandated interventions to prevent the death of the mother. All the rest of your emotive post is nonsense.

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[kiwimac]

https://oneofus.eu/2013/05/expert-tells-congress-unborn-babies-can-feel-pain-starting-at-8-weeks/








Abortions right up to the moment the last cell of the baby exits the birth canal are legal. For any and no reason whatsoever. And EVERY Democrat running for President depends and supports that - including tax payers paying for it.

Only about 2% of abortions are even CLAIMED to be for "medical" reasons, although there is no definition of what that means, it can MENTAL health.




The USA has the 9th highest abortion rate in the world (notice the company we keep in this)... and has among the most extreme pro-death law

1. China
2. Bulgaria
3. Cuba
4. Estonia
5. Georgia
6. Kozakstan
7. Romania
8. Russia
9. United States of America



The USA conducts more children killings than any other country except China.
In 2018, we did 876,000 of these. That's 2400 per day. 100 per hour.
That's compared to 8,855 killed by guns (including by law enforcement), 24 per day, 1 per hour.
We kill more than twice as many children in abortion every year than Americans who died in all of World War II.
All the Democrats running are passionately opposed to guns (that kill 1 per hour, many not innocent) but passionately support killing children by abortion (that kills 100 per hour, all of them innocent, defenseless)


If we deprive 876,000 people EVERY YEAR, just in the USA, of the very right to BE, to EXIST, to LIVE.... what other right matters? We complain about how other countries violate human rights while we deprive 876,000 innocent children of THE most important, fundamental right of all (without which, no other right matters at all). And all the Democrats running for president support and defend this horror. Proudly.




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Oh, and no foetus, none at all feels pain before the body brain linkage at around 20 weeks.

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[Michael]

Oh, and no foetus, none at all feels pain before the body brain linkage at around 20 weeks.

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Sorry. You opinion has no merit here. A life is a life. Period. What you choose to believe has zero bearing on the Truth.
You've made your choice. It is written in the Book. You will give an answer in that Day.

 

[kiwimac]

Sorry. You opinion has no merit here. A life is a life. Period. What you choose to believe has zero bearing on the Truth.
You've made your choice. It is written in the Book. You will give an answer in that Day.

1: not opinion, FACT; something you appear to have only a passing acquaintance with.
2: The Bible never mentions abortion so I wonder why so many Christians act as if it did.
3: My faith is in Christ Jesus.

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[Michael]

1: not opinion, FACT; something you appear to have only a passing acquaintance with.
2: The Bible never mentions abortion so I wonder why so many Christians act as if it did.
3: My faith is in Christ Jesus.

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Again. If you had actually taken the time to watch the original video and become informed, you would know that I never said it was mentioned in the Bible.
So... until you become informed, all you speak is only opinion. And a wrong one at that. If you really knew Jesus, you would know that He considers a life at conception. And that IS in God's Word.

 

[kiwimac]

Again. If you had actually taken the time to watch the original video and become informed, you would know that I never said it was mentioned in the Bible.
So... until you become informed, all you speak is only opinion. And a wrong one at that. If you really knew Jesus, you would know that He considers a life at conception. And that IS in God's Word.

Proof

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