Communion of the Body of Christ

[RichWh1]

but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. and they sent this letter by them, “ The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings. “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls, it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, “Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth. “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”
Acts 15:20,23-25,27-29 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 15:20,23-25,27-29&version=NASB

You are not to eat any blood, either of bird or animal, in any of your dwellings. Any person who eats any blood, even that person shall be cut off from his people.’”
Leviticus 7:26-27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Leviticus 7:26-27&version=NASB

 

[Albion]

I already went through the text and stayed with the literal interpretation.

The literal interpretation is that it is his body, not that "this is my body" means it something other than his body. :nono:

 

[Particular]

Christ said "This IS My Body..." of the bread which he had Taken, Given thanks, and Broken...

I take Him at His Word...

Do you?

But here is an easy one for you:

Is John the Baptist the Prophet Elijah?


Arsenios

If is means is then we take everything literally. No symbolic meaning, no similes or metaphors. Is means is. Jesus body must have been composed of bread. Likely motzo bread.

 

[Arsenios]

If is means is then we take everything literally. No symbolic meaning, no similes or metaphors. Is means is. Jesus body must have been composed of bread. Likely motzo bread.

Don't forget the Baptist Head Cheese!

Goes good with lotzo notzo motzo bread...

But here is an easy one for you:

Is John the Baptist the Prophet Elijah?

A.

 

[Arsenios]

Is means is.
Jesus body must have been composed of bread.

"Is" is not "must have been"...

But try again, please!

And pass the popcorn! opcorn:

Don't change channels!


Arsenios

 

[Albion]

Don't forget the Baptist Head Cheese!

Oh, him. That's a pretty casual way of describing their presiding bishop or whatever he is.

 

[Arsenios]

Oh, him. That's a pretty casual way of describing their presiding bishop or whatever he is.

It was just humor - Baptists are all pretty much each their own Head...

5 will have at least 5 differing opinions...

Just like all the rest of us!

A.

 

[Albion]

It was just humor .

Yes. And on my part also.

 

[Particular]

Don't forget the Baptist Head Cheese!

A.

You mean Jesus, I presume.
There is only one head of the body.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
And he is the head of the body, the church.
He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
~ Colossians 1:15-20

 

[Particular]

You mean Jesus, I presume.
There is only one head of the body.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
And he is the head of the body, the church.
He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
~ Colossians 1:15-20

By the way, how many of you take this passage literally? Is Jesus the literal head? Does is mean is?

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

What does taking a passage literally mean to you?

 

[Arsenios]

Don't forget the Baptist Head Cheese!

You mean Jesus, I presume.

Head Cheese is a culinary product...
Made from cooked pig head and other things...
Then sliced after refrigerating and into sandwiches...
Old North Dakota Soddie food...

Thank-you for your sincerity...

Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

By the way, how many of you take this passage literally?

It is empirically descriptive...

Is Jesus the literal head?

Yes, with full authority over His Own Body...

Does is mean is?

Yes...

Arsenios

 

[Particular]

What does taking a passage literally mean to you?

The is means is.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Taking a passage literally, is nothing more than reading and understanding Scripture as it was written. If it's poetic, I read it and understand it as poetic. If it's law, then it's read and understood as law. If it's historical, it's read and understood as history. Jesus can only make true statements. At the Last Supper when He declares the bread is His body, I have no reason to doubt that what He says is true. When He declares the wine to be His blood, I have no reason to doubt that statement is also true... and neither do you, if you really believe that Jesus doesn't tell lies.

 

[Josiah]

The is means is.

Get out your dictionary.
ANY dictionary.


See if you can find a definition of "is" of "changed from one reality to an entirely different one via the precise physics mechanism of an alchemic transubstantiation leaving behind an unknowable mixture of reality and Aristotelian accidents" (What the RCC dogmatically insists the word "is" means)
OR
"not" (what Zwingli and most modern American "Evangelicals" dogmatically insist the word means.)
Look up the word in your dictionary, because you seem to be having a really hard time with the word (reminds me of Bill Clinton).


What follows "is" in the texts? Body, Blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
What is mentioned AFTER the "is?" Body, blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
Therefore, what "is?" Body, blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
Ain't rocket science.
No one had the difficulty you are having for over 1500 years.
No one in my First Communion Class (all Second Graders) had the problem you do on understanding this.
They ain't hard words to understand: Body, blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
All are pretty simple words, easy to understand.
No explanation or hermeneutics or "nuance" needed.
The "IS" refers to what IS ..... really...... present......
It's called "Real Presence."


Simple.
Except for those who insist that what Jesus and Paul said can't be true and so appoint self to correct them.



- Josiah




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[Josiah]

but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. and they sent this letter by them, “ The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings. “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls, it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, “Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth. “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”
Acts 15:20,23-25,27-29 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 15:20,23-25,27-29&version=NASB

You are not to eat any blood, either of bird or animal, in any of your dwellings. Any person who eats any blood, even that person shall be cut off from his people.’”
Leviticus 7:26-27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Leviticus 7:26-27&version=NASB

[MENTION=509]RichWh1[/MENTION]


Friend,

1. Communion is not offered to idols. It's not offered at all. Nor was Jesus Body and Blood on the Cross offered to an idol or false god.

2. While Christ is RECEIVED, no one teaches He is CONSUMED. No one is "eating" His Body and Blood (just the bread and wine). No more than they are 'eating' forgiveness (also really present in Communion, also an "is") There's a difference between RECEIVING something and physically CONSUMING such with our digestive system. NEVER has it been taught we physically consume Jesus.

 

[Particular]

Get out your dictionary.
ANY dictionary.


See if you can find a definition of "is" of "changed from one reality to an entirely different one via the precise physics mechanism of an alchemic transubstantiation leaving behind an unknowable mixture of reality and Aristotelian accidents" (What the RCC dogmatically insists the word "is" means)
OR
"not" (what Zwingli and most modern American "Evangelicals" dogmatically insist the word means.)
Look up the word in your dictionary, because you seem to be having a really hard time with the word (reminds me of Bill Clinton).


What follows "is" in the texts? Body, Blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
What is mentioned AFTER the "is?" Body, blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
Therefore, what "is?" Body, blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
Ain't rocket science.
No one had the difficulty you are having for over 1500 years.
No one in my First Communion Class (all Second Graders) had the problem you do on understanding this.
They ain't hard words to understand: Body, blood, bread, wine, forgiveness.
All are pretty simple words, easy to understand.
No explanation or hermeneutics or "nuance" needed.
The "IS" refers to what IS ..... really...... present......
It's called "Real Presence."


Simple.
Except for those who insist that what Jesus and Paul said can't be true and so appoint self to correct them.



- Josiah




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Does is mean is, Josiah?
Or do we have the ability to discern when is isn't literally is, but is actually symbolic or metaphorical?

Perhaps you want the right to be the final dictator of what is means in each situation in the Bible. You will be disappointed to know that you don't own that role.

I understand you have made up your mind about what is means in regard to communion. Please respect others who also have made up their mind that is has a symbolic meaning in regard to communion.
Also, please don't be condescending by claiming "Zwingli" as a bad person for believing is was symbolic. The context of scripture confirms the symbolic nature of is as it relates to communion.
You will, of course, disagree. I'm fine with you disagreeing on this matter.

 

[Albion]

Does is mean is, Josiah?

As in "this is my body" (Mark 14:16)?

or "This is my blood of the New Testament which is shed for many" (Mark 14:24)?

or "This is my body which is given for you.... (Luke 22:19)?

or "Take eat: this is my body (Matthew 26:26)?

 

[Particular]

As in "this is my body" (Mark 14:16)?

or "This is my blood of the New Testament which is shed for many" (Mark 14:24)?

or "This is my body which is given for you.... (Luke 22:19)?

or "Take eat: this is my body (Matthew 26:26)?

Is means is...

And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

~ Colossians 1:18