Is Veneration of the Saints something that is allowed by God?

[Particular]

Certainly God allows for veneration of declared saints. If he didn't allow it there would be a lot of dead people in the Roman Catholic church.
Does God applaud the praying to saints, burning candles to saints, honoring the supposed remains of dead saints, etc.? I personally doubt he is thrilled. However, we should remember our legacy of faithful mentors.

Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and*sin which clings so closely, and*let us run*with endurance the race that is*set before us,*looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith,*who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising*the shame, and*is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:1-2

 

[Andrew]

Pitching your tent is for worshipping, Peter wanted to pitch tents for Moses, Elijah and Jesus which God forbade.. There are no churches that I know of that are dedicated to a Saint nor a polytheism of many saints

 

[hobie]

Pitching your tent is for worshipping, Peter wanted to pitch tents for Moses, Elijah and Jesus which God forbade.. There are no churches that I know of that are dedicated to a Saint nor a polytheism of many saints

Google 'Sacred Heart of Mary' or 'Immaculate Heart of Mary' and you will find them.........

 

[Albion]

There are no churches that I know of that are dedicated to a Saint nor a polytheism of many saints

That's sorta confusing, Andrew. As we all know, most Catholic churches are dedicated to some saint or other. But be that as it may, how did polytheism get into this discussion?

 

[Andrew]

That's sorta confusing, Andrew. As we all know, most Catholic churches are dedicated to some saint or other. But be that as it may, how did polytheism get into this discussion?

I meant solely dedicated as a center of worship to one saint or all the saints as divine, according to hobie

 

[Albion]

I meant solely dedicated as a center of worship to one saint or all the saints as divine, according to hobie

Thanks. Hobie's posts have been all over the place, I agree; and #35 does seem to verify your analysis.

 

[hobie]

Thanks. Hobie's posts have been all over the place, I agree; and #35 does seem to verify your analysis.

I think exposing the false doctrines and pagan traditions allowed in and especially what points out the apostate church would be of concern, but shooting the messenger seems to be easier...

 

[Albion]

I think espousing the false doctrines and pagan traditions allowed in and especially what points out the apostate church would be of concern, but shooting the messenger seems to be easier...

Well, Hobie, you did nothing there to counter my impression that your posts have been all over the place. Not by making a vague reference to "false doctrines" and "pagan traditions," knowing that no one here actually favors or defends false doctrines and pagan traditions.

 

[hobie]

Well, Hobie, you did nothing there to counter my impression that your posts have been all over the place. Not by making a vague reference to "false doctrines" and "pagan traditions," knowing that no one here actually favors or defends false doctrines and pagan traditions.

Then why allow them into the church, its clear they have been brought in, and all the evidence points to one church at the center of it.

 

[Albion]

Then why allow them into the church, its clear they have been brought in, and all the evidence points to one church at the center of it.

We are supposedly talking on this thread about venerating (honoring) the faithful departed. That's it. But by the way, there is hardly a saint honored by Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians who is venerated to a greater degree than is the teenage false prophet Ellen G. White by the cult she is associated with. That may provide us with a case of veneration that borders upon worship. You know--false doctrine, pagan practices. etc. Shall we look closer at that example?






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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Then why allow them into the church, its clear they have been brought in, and all the evidence points to one church at the center of it.

It's not clear that pagan practices have been brought into the church. What is clear is that you are incapable of distinguishing between veneration and worship.

 

[hobie]

We are supposedly talking on this thread about venerating (honoring) the faithful departed. That's it. But by the way, there is hardly a saint honored by Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians who is venerated to a greater degree than is the teenage false prophet Ellen G. White by the cult she is associated with. That may provide us with a case of veneration that borders upon worship. You know--false doctrine, pagan practices. etc. Shall we look closer at that example?






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As I said, shoot the messenger. But to answer your question, worship other than to God is wrong no matter who it is, and worse if its a idol. I think scripture is very clear on that.

 

[hobie]

It's not clear that pagan practices have been brought into the church. What is clear is that you are incapable of distinguishing between veneration and worship.

I think we already settled that veneration is defined as worship..

 

[Albion]

As I said, shoot the messenger. But to answer your question, worship other than to God is wrong no matter who it is, and worse if its a idol. I think scripture is very clear on that.

But we all have agreed to that! Long ago, in fact.

 

[Josiah]

"His Worship" or "Her Worship" is an honorific prefix for mayors, judges, justices of the peace and magistrates in the United Kingdom and in many present or former Commonwealth lands. "Worship" can and often does simply mean to honor.

In the USA, all in a court rise when the judge enters the room; also when the president enters. Some men rise when a woman enters the room. Military personal salute when a superior is present. People stand for the National Anthem and remove their hats. Karate students bow before their sensei.

In truth, words often have a variety of meanings and practices often symbolize very different things. Worship... venerate.... adore..... honor.... esteem.... these words overlap and can mean identical things. We need to determine EXACTLY WHAT the person MEANS by their word and/or action.

IMO, it is not wrong to honor someone or something. One of the Ten Commandments COMMANDS that we do (I don't think God would command us to sin).

OF COURSE, no one should regard anything as God that is not God, but then that's not the topic of this thread... and that's not necessary the meaning of "honor" "worship" "venerate" "adore" etc.




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[Albion]

I think we already settled that veneration is defined as worship..

Following a bunch of posts that said the opposite, I guess I can only ask...

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK SO?

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

I think we already settled that veneration is defined as worship..

No, you really didn't settle that. People have been telling and showing you all along that worship and veneration are two different things. But you're set in your belief that they are the same and refuse correction.

 

[Albion]

No, you really didn't settle that. People have been telling and showing you all along that worship and veneration are two different things. But you're set in your belief that they are the same and refuse correction.

and it isn't exclusively a matter of accepting correction (or not). It's that there is no willingness to discuss!

If we explain something, the reply starts from the OP once again.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

and it isn't exclusively a matter of accepting correction (or not). It's that there is no willingness to discuss!

If we explain something, the reply starts from the OP once again.

Yeah, or he starts another thread about how he thinks another church is denying the Scriptures.

 

[George]

Veneration is giving honor and isn’t worship. Otherwise veneration of the US flag is worship.