Biblical Repentance

[MennoSota]

Always good to see you sharing your Oh So Christian Sentiments, Menno...

Your voice is getting gravelly and tinny these days...

A man of accusations and condemnations to the core...

Always quick to condemn those who disagree with you...

Have you considered a career with ANTIFA???

Demons disciple accusation...

But you know that already, don't you??

At least you show us the FRUITS of your doctrines...

eg Accusations and condemnations...


Arsenios

You realize your works fall short of the glory of God and damn you to hell... don't you, Arsenios?

 

[Arsenios]

You realize your works fall short of the glory of God and damn you to hell... don't you, Arsenios?

Obedience to Christ gets no one to hell, Menno...

Claiming to have Christ's Righteousness is wild...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

You realize your works fall short of the glory of God and damn you to hell... don't you, Arsenios?

I realize that the fruits of YOUR false doctrines are accusation and condemnation...

Demons are all accusers...


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

Obedience to Christ gets no one to hell, Menno...

Claiming to have Christ's Righteousness is wild...


Arsenios

Sure it does. Mormons work hard to be obedient to Christ. They are hellbound in their legalism. Jehovah's Witnesses work hard to be obedient to Christ. They are hellbound in their legalism.
We are only heavenbound by the amazing grace of God in choosing to have his Son's sacrificial atonement pay for our sins.
We are heavenbound by grace and grace alone. No matter how hard you try to obey, you will always fall short of the mark. You remain dead in your trespasses and sins. God alone makes you alive and God alone keeps you alive.
You are dead wrong, Arsenios.

 

[MennoSota]

I realize that the fruits of YOUR false doctrines are accusation and condemnation...

Demons are all accusers...


Arsenios

Jesus must be a demon in your book. He accused the legalistic Pharisees constantly.

 

[Michael]

It's not just about turning away...it's also TURNING TO GOD IN FAITH. That's a necessary component of Christian repentance.

You see, friend, we are more on the same page than you think.
Your statement here says that you indeed KNOW that we are to be "turning away" from sin, and turning to God.

For if we claim to have "faith" in Him, yet are still walking contrary to His ways, then we are showing Him that we really don't have "faith", if we have in fact NOT turned away from our sins and trusted in Him alone.

"Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. " - Rom 6:1-13 NASB

 

[Lamb]

You see, friend, we are more on the same page than you think.
Your statement here says that you indeed KNOW that we are to be "turning away" from sin, and turning to God.

For if we claim to have "faith" in Him, yet are still walking contrary to His ways, then we are showing Him that we really don't have "faith", if we have in fact NOT turned away from our sins and trusted in Him alone.

"Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. " - Rom 6:1-13 NASB

We turn to sin but not always because sometimes we don't even realize we are sinning. I say all sins were forgiven at the cross. You say some. One of us is right and I believe it's me since Jesus is the lamb who takes away the sin of the world. Not some sins.

It isn't our repentance that brings us to eternal life with God. It's Jesus who died on the cross for our sins. Repentance is a gift from God to bring us to faith and trust that our sins are forgiven. You struggle with this because you don't believe Jesus died for all your sins, so you think you need to be sinless which is going to be impossible for you to ever achieve. Think on that. Jesus relieved you of your burdens and you put them all right back upon yourself.

 

[psalms 91]

The instant we are saved yes we are free of sin in that instant but I gaurantee that within a very short time(read like the time to walk back to the pew or chair) you have sinned again. At salvation some things were removed at the time so that I did not do them again but other things were not and those sins had to be fought with the Word and until there was victory then I continued in them.

 

[MennoSota]

The instant we are saved yes we are free of sin in that instant but I gaurantee that within a very short time(read like the time to walk back to the pew or chair) you have sinned again. At salvation some things were removed at the time so that I did not do them again but other things were not and those sins had to be fought with the Word and until there was victory then I continued in them.

You are speaking of the process of sanctification.

 

[Arsenios]

Sure it does. Mormons work hard to be obedient to Christ. They are hellbound in their legalism. Jehovah's Witnesses work hard to be obedient to Christ. They are hellbound in their legalism.
We are only heavenbound by the amazing grace of God in choosing to have his Son's sacrificial atonement pay for our sins.
We are heavenbound by grace and grace alone. No matter how hard you try to obey, you will always fall short of the mark. You remain dead in your trespasses and sins. God alone makes you alive and God alone keeps you alive.
You are dead wrong, Arsenios.

Disobedience to Christ is the pathway to hell, Menno...

Obedience to Christ invites God's Grace...

If you forsake obedience to Christ... t\
Thinking Grace alone...
In the absence of such obedience...
Will save you...
And teach others as much...
You will lead yourself and your followers...
Into hell...

The Gospel is the Holy Call of God to repentance...
You will either obey it or you will not...
Repentance is not Salvation...
God gives Salvation to those who repent...

Many are Called...
Few are Chosen...


Arsenios

 

[Michael]

We turn to sin but not always because sometimes we don't even realize we are sinning. I say all sins were forgiven at the cross. You say some. One of us is right and I believe it's me since Jesus is the lamb who takes away the sin of the world. Not some sins.

It isn't our repentance that brings us to eternal life with God. It's Jesus who died on the cross for our sins. Repentance is a gift from God to bring us to faith and trust that our sins are forgiven. You struggle with this because you don't believe Jesus died for all your sins, so you think you need to be sinless which is going to be impossible for you to ever achieve. Think on that. Jesus relieved you of your burdens and you put them all right back upon yourself.

As we've studied extensively in this thread, True Repentance is an actual "turning away from sin." Jesus cannot do that for us. As Peter said, our "past sins" have been forgiven when we come to Christ. Then we, with the help of the Spirit, must put our sins to death. This WE must do. Jesus cannot do it for us. He can't. The choice is always ours whether to obey or refuse His charge.

Peter writes to "Christians" telling them of the things they must add to their faith if they are to inherit the promises of God.

"For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they will keep you from being useless or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 The person who lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten the cleansing from his past sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, make every effort to confirm your calling and election, because if you do these things you will never stumble. 11 For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied to you." - 2Pet 1:8-11 HCSB

Paul knew this very well, and told us that if we continue in sins after we have been forgiven and set free, we will die. Jesus forgiveness does not automatically continue to forgive sins that we choose to keep committing. That would be to spit on the Cross.

"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." - Rom 8:12-14

We want to put it all on Jesus, and we simply can't. Jesus bore His Cross. We must bear ours. I choose to believe the Bible over the popular "Christian" songs on the radio.

 

[MennoSota]

Disobedience to Christ is the pathway to hell, Menno...

Obedience to Christ invites God's Grace...

If you forsake obedience to Christ... t\
Thinking Grace alone...
In the absence of such obedience...
Will save you...
And teach others as much...
You will lead yourself and your followers...
Into hell...

The Gospel is the Holy Call of God to repentance...
You will either obey it or you will not...
Repentance is not Salvation...
God gives Salvation to those who repent...

Many are Called...
Few are Chosen...


Arsenios

Indeed, all humans disobey Christ. All are going to hell. Only by God's grace and his substitutional atonement do we stand righteous before God.

 

[Lamb]

As we've studied extensively in this thread, True Repentance is an actual "turning away from sin." Jesus cannot do that for us. As Peter said, our "past sins" have been forgiven when we come to Christ. Then we, with the help of the Spirit, must put our sins to death. This WE must do. Jesus cannot do it for us. He can't. The choice is always ours whether to obey or refuse His charge.

Peter writes to "Christians" telling them of the things they must add to their faith if they are to inherit the promises of God.

"For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they will keep you from being useless or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 The person who lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten the cleansing from his past sins. 10 Therefore, brothers, make every effort to confirm your calling and election, because if you do these things you will never stumble. 11 For in this way, entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly supplied to you." - 2Pet 1:8-11 HCSB

Paul knew this very well, and told us that if we continue in sins after we have been forgiven and set free, we will die. Jesus forgiveness does not automatically continue to forgive sins that we choose to keep committing. That would be to spit on the Cross.

"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." - Rom 8:12-14

We want to put it all on Jesus, and we simply can't. Jesus bore His Cross. We must bear ours. I choose to believe the Bible over the popular "Christian" songs on the radio.

Your entire theology is

Jesus can't

and God can't

Doesn't that sound a bit like it's not Christian theology if man has to do everything to obtain something? In fact, it's so against the Christian theology that it is exactly what the pagan religions insist happens to obtain a higher afterlife.

 

[Michael]

Your entire theology is

Jesus can't

and God can't

Doesn't that sound a bit like it's not Christian theology if man has to do everything to obtain something? In fact, it's so against the Christian theology that it is exactly what the pagan religions insist happens to obtain a higher afterlife.

Thanks for the chuckle!

But what I stated above is actually exactly what the Bible teaches!! So I must adhere to what the Word says, rather than man.

I've challenged many times anyone to use the great multitude of passages in the 4 videos on Repentance I've shared and show me how they mean something different than what I've presented. No one has yet. Most likely, if one did attempt to, they'd quickly find that what Jesus and the Apostles taught concerning the absolute necessity for Repentance and Righteous deeds is True and cannot be explained away with wishful carnal thinking.

Again.... Jesus cannot repent for me; He cannot do for me what God has required me to do; and He cannot bear my cross.
He said it. I believe it. That settles it.
Amen.

Peace! :ange06:

 

[Lamb]

Thanks for the chuckle!

But what I stated above is actually exactly what the Bible teaches!! So I must adhere to what the Word says, rather than man.

I've challenged many times anyone to use the great multitude of passages in the 4 videos on Repentance I've shared and show me how they mean something different than what I've presented. No one has yet. Most likely, if one did attempt to, they'd quickly find that what Jesus and the Apostles taught concerning the absolute necessity for Repentance and Righteous deeds is True and cannot be explained away with wishful carnal thinking.

Again.... Jesus cannot repent for me; He cannot do for me what God has required me to do; and He cannot bear my cross.
He said it. I believe it. That settles it.
Amen.

Peace! :ange06:

No, you are incorrect that what you have said is in the bible. The bible is not filled with "Jesus can't" or "God can't" as your doctrine proclaims! Christianity is filled with Jesus CAN and God CAN and that's the difference between Christianity and Pagan religions. It's all about God being merciful and loving and saving us from ourselves. You seem to think you can save yourself and you encourage others to fall down that same path. Turn back to God and you'll see all the wonderful things He's done for you with His death and resurrection. Turn to God.

 

[Arsenios]

Mormons work hard to be obedient to Christ.
They are hellbound in their legalism.
Jehovah's Witnesses work hard to be obedient to Christ.
They are hellbound in their legalism.

Nobody said hard work gets anyone to heaven...

But obedience to Christ sure does...

Disobedience to Christ does the opposite...

We are only heavenbound by the amazing grace of God in choosing to have his Son's sacrificial atonement pay for our sins.
We are heavenbound by grace and grace alone.

God's Grace IS the Kingdom of Heaven...

No matter how hard you try to obey,
you will always fall short of the mark.

You must repent of your sins and turn from them to God...
IF you do so, no matter how feebly, God will Save you...

You remain dead in your trespasses and sins.

I am sorry you remain dead, Menno...

God alone makes you alive and
God alone keeps you alive.

Always and unto the ages of ages...

You are dead wrong, Arsenios.

Are you still dead in your trespasses?

Is that why you keep accusing others of being dead in theirs?

The dead wrong can only self-justify by calling others dead wrong, Menno...

Demons do it all the time...

Why are you joining them?


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Jesus must be a demon in your book. He accused the legalistic Pharisees constantly.

Jesus failed with them...

He was unable to convert them...

Free-will is like that...

You suffer with it like they did...

His rebuke of them failed, Menno...

And they crucified Him...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

I say all sins were forgiven at the cross.
You say some.

Really?

Christ suffered and died on the Cross for the sake of our being forgiven all our sins...
When one is Baptized into Christ, ALL one's sins are forgiven...

BUT...

Heb 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who were once enlightened,
and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
And have tasted the good word of God,
and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away,
to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh,
and put Him to an open shame.

This in part means that FUTURE sins are not yet forgiven...
Nor are they already forgiven...
Plain as day...


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Repentance is a gift from God
to bring us to faith
and trust that our sins are forgiven.

The Bible tells us that God CALLS us to repentance...

Nowhere does it say that repentance is a Gift FROM God...

The Call of God is for US to turn from sin to Him...

IF you answer the Call and obey the Gospel of Repentance...

THEN God is faithful and will Save you...


Arsenios





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[Arsenios]

Jesus cannot repent for me;
He cannot do for me what God has required me to do;
and He cannot bear my cross.

I must join Lamm on this one -

It is not that Christ-God CANNOT...
But He does not repent FOR you...
He COULD just forgive everyone all their sins who do NOT repent...
But He does NOT do so...

In this fallen life, YOU have to choose...
Not choosing IS a choice...
Not choosing to repent is a choice...
So is choosing to repent...

"I have said ye are gods...
And all sons of the Most High...
What is written cannot be unwritten..."

We are not dead blobs of meat on demonic skewers...
We are created in God's Holy Image...
We walk in the shadow of the death we are living...
To turn from sin and towards God...

Do this and God will take you unto Himself...
Do NOT do this and God will NOT...

He CAN...
And He DOESN'T...

And He WILL have Mercy on whom He WILL have Mercy...

Air-tight logical symmetrics need not apply!


Arsenios