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Hi friend, responding here as the post I started on “Biblical Repentance” has been closed.
My response to your question above -
No. I do not believe salvation means that you will have eternal life with God. Not the way we use the terms in our evangelistic assemblies today.
"Salvation" means primarily 'rescue' in the Greek, meaning when we come to the Lord Jesus He 'rescues' or "saves" us from our bondage to sin and begins to grant us "knowledge of Himself and God", which is "Eternal Life." (John 17:3)
"Eternal Life" is a quality of life, a relationship with Jesus and God. It does not mean to 'live forever', for every human being will live forever, either IN the Kingdom of God (saved nations), AS the Kingdom of God (royal priesthood), or forever separated from God in either the "Lake of Fire" or "blackest of darkness forever."
As with a marriage, a “relationship” is hard work. As a husband I have to DO things daily to prove my love to my wife. Having said ‘I love you’ and swearing vows at the altar will mean nothing if I don’t actually live up to what I’ve declared before God and man. If we proclaim a ‘sinner’s prayer’ and vow to follow Jesus, but then don’t actually DO what we said (repent, surrender to Him, “deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Him”), that relationship will fall apart. If we take His grace and forgiveness for granted, we have “neglected our salvation”, and “drawn back.”
Again, being "saved" means that we now have an opportunity to follow Jesus and come to know Him as Savior AND LORD (denoting surrender & obedience), and to know the Father as well. This is where all of us are now, us who have actually 'accepted Christ' and the conditions He has set forth (repentance, baptism, belief. - Matt 28:19-20, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38)
Oh yes, Repentance is taught throughout the Scripture as a vital, necessary part of our salvation, that will determine our eternal lot. And although Jesus taught far more about repenting than He did about being saved, we in modern Christendom simply cannot accept His Word (many flat out refuse to believe Him!). To every church (not to the world) in Revelation 2 & 3 comes the Word from Jesus to "repent" (Rev 2:5, Rev 2:16, Rev 2:21-23, Rev 3:3, Rev 3:11, Rev 3:18-19)
And when Jesus does speak of being "saved" in the Gospels, He teaches that "those who endure til the end shall be saved." (Matt 10:22, Matt 24:13). Today it's taught 'close your eyes, raise your hand and repeat a scripted prayer' and you’re saved! Jesus and the Apostles taught it differently. We must "obey God rather than man" and receive the whole of Scripture, not a verse or two plucked out that we like, while ignoring the rest. Can't make the cake like it shows on the box if we neglect even one of the ingredients. As the Holy Spirit warned us 'Christians' - "how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation." (Heb 2:3) This was spoken directly to 'saved' people, not to the world as most 'preachers' mistakenly teach.
Sadly, many behind the pulpits today would probably rebuke the Apostle Peter for making people think that actually had to DO something to be forgiven and saved; yet we would be absolute fools to dismiss what the Apostle preached to those who asked him, “what shall we do?”
“Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38)
True Repentance must precede full forgiveness and deliverance from sin. A scripted prayer will not do it. And uttered confession not followed by actions which prove what was declared is worse than not confessing at all.
As the Prophets & Apostles & Godly men throughout the Centuries, and Jesus Himself experienced, I know I will be rebuked and even hated for what I teach. But this is the Word of the Lord, and I “speak as the oracle of God” on this matter of “repentance.” There is no doubt in my mind; and with the great bulk of Scripture to confirm it I know I am on the right Path.
Can anyone who is familiar with the Bible really deny the literally hundreds of verses from Scripture I’ve quoted in context throughout the videos on Repentance, Righteousness and walking Worthy?
And the few verses some have used in attempt to discredit my teaching actually fit in well with the Truth I share. No Scripture has to be ignored or twisted to see the clarity of God’s charge to His people to Repent and be found worthy if they are to “attain unto the resurrection out from among the dead” and receive the precious promises given only to “those who overcome” in Revelation chapters 2 & 3.
In the end, ‘belief” is a choice. Either we choose to believe and obey what the Lord has said, or we choose not to. It’s always up to us. Christ Jesus has done His part, will we do ours?
Please understand… I say this not to belittle anyone. The spirit realm is ever watching, both the Lord God (who “is for us”), and those “principalities and dark rulers in the heavenlies” (who want us to “shrink back to destruction.”) I am bold oft-times because I know who our real enemy is. I’ve had brief encounters with the darkness and with the Light. I am coming to really KNOW who our enemies are and what God truly has in store for “those who love Him and keep His Word.”
Peace & Blessings, God’s Wisdom & Understanding to us all.
Do you believe salvation means that you will have eternal life with God?
Hi friend, responding here as the post I started on “Biblical Repentance” has been closed.
My response to your question above -
No. I do not believe salvation means that you will have eternal life with God. Not the way we use the terms in our evangelistic assemblies today.
"Salvation" means primarily 'rescue' in the Greek, meaning when we come to the Lord Jesus He 'rescues' or "saves" us from our bondage to sin and begins to grant us "knowledge of Himself and God", which is "Eternal Life." (John 17:3)
"Eternal Life" is a quality of life, a relationship with Jesus and God. It does not mean to 'live forever', for every human being will live forever, either IN the Kingdom of God (saved nations), AS the Kingdom of God (royal priesthood), or forever separated from God in either the "Lake of Fire" or "blackest of darkness forever."
As with a marriage, a “relationship” is hard work. As a husband I have to DO things daily to prove my love to my wife. Having said ‘I love you’ and swearing vows at the altar will mean nothing if I don’t actually live up to what I’ve declared before God and man. If we proclaim a ‘sinner’s prayer’ and vow to follow Jesus, but then don’t actually DO what we said (repent, surrender to Him, “deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Him”), that relationship will fall apart. If we take His grace and forgiveness for granted, we have “neglected our salvation”, and “drawn back.”
Again, being "saved" means that we now have an opportunity to follow Jesus and come to know Him as Savior AND LORD (denoting surrender & obedience), and to know the Father as well. This is where all of us are now, us who have actually 'accepted Christ' and the conditions He has set forth (repentance, baptism, belief. - Matt 28:19-20, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38)
Oh yes, Repentance is taught throughout the Scripture as a vital, necessary part of our salvation, that will determine our eternal lot. And although Jesus taught far more about repenting than He did about being saved, we in modern Christendom simply cannot accept His Word (many flat out refuse to believe Him!). To every church (not to the world) in Revelation 2 & 3 comes the Word from Jesus to "repent" (Rev 2:5, Rev 2:16, Rev 2:21-23, Rev 3:3, Rev 3:11, Rev 3:18-19)
And when Jesus does speak of being "saved" in the Gospels, He teaches that "those who endure til the end shall be saved." (Matt 10:22, Matt 24:13). Today it's taught 'close your eyes, raise your hand and repeat a scripted prayer' and you’re saved! Jesus and the Apostles taught it differently. We must "obey God rather than man" and receive the whole of Scripture, not a verse or two plucked out that we like, while ignoring the rest. Can't make the cake like it shows on the box if we neglect even one of the ingredients. As the Holy Spirit warned us 'Christians' - "how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation." (Heb 2:3) This was spoken directly to 'saved' people, not to the world as most 'preachers' mistakenly teach.
Sadly, many behind the pulpits today would probably rebuke the Apostle Peter for making people think that actually had to DO something to be forgiven and saved; yet we would be absolute fools to dismiss what the Apostle preached to those who asked him, “what shall we do?”
“Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38)
True Repentance must precede full forgiveness and deliverance from sin. A scripted prayer will not do it. And uttered confession not followed by actions which prove what was declared is worse than not confessing at all.
As the Prophets & Apostles & Godly men throughout the Centuries, and Jesus Himself experienced, I know I will be rebuked and even hated for what I teach. But this is the Word of the Lord, and I “speak as the oracle of God” on this matter of “repentance.” There is no doubt in my mind; and with the great bulk of Scripture to confirm it I know I am on the right Path.
Can anyone who is familiar with the Bible really deny the literally hundreds of verses from Scripture I’ve quoted in context throughout the videos on Repentance, Righteousness and walking Worthy?
And the few verses some have used in attempt to discredit my teaching actually fit in well with the Truth I share. No Scripture has to be ignored or twisted to see the clarity of God’s charge to His people to Repent and be found worthy if they are to “attain unto the resurrection out from among the dead” and receive the precious promises given only to “those who overcome” in Revelation chapters 2 & 3.
In the end, ‘belief” is a choice. Either we choose to believe and obey what the Lord has said, or we choose not to. It’s always up to us. Christ Jesus has done His part, will we do ours?
Please understand… I say this not to belittle anyone. The spirit realm is ever watching, both the Lord God (who “is for us”), and those “principalities and dark rulers in the heavenlies” (who want us to “shrink back to destruction.”) I am bold oft-times because I know who our real enemy is. I’ve had brief encounters with the darkness and with the Light. I am coming to really KNOW who our enemies are and what God truly has in store for “those who love Him and keep His Word.”
Peace & Blessings, God’s Wisdom & Understanding to us all.