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Your judgment is interesting.
It seems you would rather she die in her sins and in her ignorance.

Your judgment is interesting.
It seems you would rather he die in his sins and in his ignorance...

He does not possess what she needs for her Salvation by God alone...

Don't you agree?


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Your judgment is interesting.
It seems you would rather he die in his sins and in his ignorance...

He does not possess what she needs for her Salvation by God alone...

Don't you agree?


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The evangelist knows God's gracious redemption through faith. God has marked him as a sheep. Should you be marked, you will see him in glory.
 

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Then why is he imposing his will on this woman?


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He's not. He is speaking the truth as presented in the Bible. We are lawbreaking rebels who will be judged as criminals who are destined for damnation, except by the gracious pardon of God. We have no argument before God. We are guilty as charged. Our sin makes us guilty. There is no amount of good works that will ever offset our crime(s). Without God choosing to pardon us through Jesus atoning sacrifice, in which we place all our faith, we will spend eternity in hell. Arsenios, if you do not believe this, you will spend eternity in hell. This is the word which God has spoken in scripture.
 

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I watched half the video. What I heard were 2 people talking past each other and neither of them listening to what the other had to say because they already had it set in their minds what the other person "believed" instead of hearing the words of that person. Both are preaching Jesus as Savior just in different ways.
 

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The evangelist knows God's gracious redemption through faith. God has marked him as a sheep. Should you be marked, you will see him in glory.

He does not possess what she needs for her Salvation by God alone...

Don't you agree?


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Why is he seeking to impose his will upon the woman?

He's not.

He most certainly is - Unless you think he is God???

He is speaking the truth as presented in the Bible.

They both are, and they disagree...

We are lawbreaking rebels who will be judged as criminals who are destined for damnation, except by the gracious pardon of God. We have no argument before God. We are guilty as charged. Our sin makes us guilty. There is no amount of good works that will ever offset our crime(s). Without God choosing to pardon us through Jesus atoning sacrifice, in which we place all our faith, we will spend eternity in hell. Arsenios, if you do not believe this, you will spend eternity in hell. This is the word which God has spoken in scripture.

Scripture tell us all that we are all to repent and be baptized into Christ...

This is what we as fallen human beings are to do...

And if anyone is willing to follow Christ,

He must first deny himself...

Then he must take up his cross in suffering unto death...

And be following Him...

YOU say no man can do this...

And apart from Christ we can do nothing...

But all can repent from sin...

All are able to call on the Name of the Lord...

Salvation is our entry into the Marriage of the Lamb...

It is our union with God...

And as many as have been Baptized into Christ...
Have put on Christ...
Know ye not, Brethren, that we are Baptized into His Death on the Cross?



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He does not possess what she needs for her Salvation by God alone...

Don't you agree?


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He obeyed God. He told her the truth. That is all we can do. We cannot make a person believe. He possesses grace and attempted to show her why she needs reconciliation. She imagines she is already reconciled with God.
 

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Why is he seeking to impose his will upon the woman?



He most certainly is - Unless you think he is God???



They both are, and they disagree...



Scripture tell us all that we are all to repent and be baptized into Christ...

This is what we as fallen human beings are to do...

And if anyone is willing to follow Christ,

He must first deny himself...

Then he must take up his cross in suffering unto death...

And be following Him...

YOU say no man can do this...

And apart from Christ we can do nothing...

But all can repent from sin...

All are able to call on the Name of the Lord...

Salvation is our entry into the Marriage of the Lamb...

It is our union with God...

And as many as have been Baptized into Christ...
Have put on Christ...
Know ye not, Brethren, that we are Baptized into His Death on the Cross?



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Arsenios, once again you preach a false gospel of works with no grace. I see why you are on her side. You both think that you can work your way into God's favor. Sadly, you will die in your sins, apart from the grace of God. Until you see your complete need for God to extend you grace, no matter your works, you will be trying to save yourself through confession alone. You can cry out your confessions until you are blue in the face. You can beat your body into submission. But if God does not save you by his grace...alone...through faith, you will never be saved.
Arsenios, you remind me of Martin Luther before he was brought to understand justification by faith. You are in a really bad spot with God at present, Arsenios.
 

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Well regardless I believe synergist are saved as well even though they believe they have a role in their salvation by working by the sweat of their brow to maintain security in faith, as long as they endure Faith until the end it really shouldn't matter. It definitely wouldn't place them in hell, their upbringing has much to do with that attitude.
I was reading the Catechism today out of boredom and if I were raised on this book I would be no different, I still would accept Christ as my Lord and Redeemer but it would take a lot of patience for someone to teach me otherwise about work salvation.
I would appreciate it though :)
The Elect are not confined to one denomination, all believers are saved in my book. The Bible is full of revelation and Truth that can cleanse us of confusion but not every believer will read every word in the bible or understand it, they should, but being preached the Good News is enough to believe and be baptised....
just a thought.
Yet I wouldn't debate on the streets with a passionate Catholic, they are brothers and sisters, unless they press me then we can talk, no denomination is perfect but the entirety of the Church is Holy perfect :)
I really wish though she would control her tongue, its the most destructive part of the human anatomy.
 

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Your hurled accusation is without Grace...


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It is with love and grace. That you cannot recognize it may be telling.
 

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My concern is for the persecuting accuser...


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He did not persecute. He spoke truth, which is only an accusation to those who are in rebellion.
Again, it is telling that you see him as an accuser instead of a truth teller.
 

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Well regardless I believe synergist are saved as well even though they believe they have a role in their salvation by working by the sweat of their brow to maintain security in faith, as long as they endure Faith until the end it really shouldn't matter. It definitely wouldn't place them in hell, their upbringing has much to do with that attitude.
I was reading the Catechism today out of boredom and if I were raised on this book I would be no different, I still would accept Christ as my Lord and Redeemer but it would take a lot of patience for someone to teach me otherwise about work salvation.
I would appreciate it though :)
The Elect are not confined to one denomination, all believers are saved in my book. The Bible is full of revelation and Truth that can cleanse us of confusion but not every believer will read every word in the bible or understand it, they should, but being preached the Good News is enough to believe and be baptised....
just a thought.
Yet I wouldn't debate on the streets with a passionate Catholic, they are brothers and sisters, unless they press me then we can talk, no denomination is perfect but the entirety of the Church is Holy perfect :)
I really wish though she would control her tongue, its the most destructive part of the human anatomy.

Great post...

If you want a treat in your reading, get a copy of "The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church" by Lossky...

It is no catechism - It is WAY better...

I did not "GET" the point of Christianity until I read that book...

This Faith is a Mystery, as Paul writes...

Held in purity of heart...


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It is with love and grace. That you cannot recognize it may be telling.
Correct, the street preacher has a long record of converting atheist because he loves them, he says it often, this lady never gave him a chance but this man is actually doing what was commanded of him, to go out and preach the gospel to all people including some Catholics who can easily be lead astray, she seems the type to buy indulgence so she can keep swearing and sleeping around outside of marriage as she claimed.
 

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He did not persecute. He spoke truth, which is only an accusation to those who are in rebellion.
Again, it is telling that you see him as an accuser instead of a truth teller.

He is stalking victims to accuse on the streets with a camera and a microphone...

You call this telling the truth...

God will judge - He did permit it to happen...

Of course, He permits all manner of victimizing, and not merely religious ambushing...

There is such a thing as the Mystery of Evil...

It is even Biblical, as you doubtless already know...


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He is stalking victims to accuse on the streets with a camera and a microphone...

You call this telling the truth...

God will judge - He did permit it to happen...

Of course, He permits all manner of victimizing, and not merely religious ambushing...

There is such a thing as the Mystery of Evil...

It is even Biblical, as you doubtless already know...


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It is quite telling that you consider a man, talking in a park, a stalker.
When he said we are lawbreakers, was he lying? When he said that she was a lawbreaker, was he wrong? When he corrected her as she claimed to be good, was he wrong in expressing that all are sinners in need of a Savior?
The evangelist never stalked. He stood and she responded. She left. He didn't run after her.
Arsenios, perhaps it is you whom God is permitting to be kept away from grace due to the obstacle of works you have placed in front of you. Perhaps you are offended because your false gospel is exposed as the same false gospel the woman held. Perhaps your pride and hard heart cannot accept that only God can save you and you will never merit God's grace by your own attempt to be self-righteous. Perhaps your message is of the devil.
 

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He is stalking victims to accuse on the streets with a camera and a microphone...

You call this telling the truth...

God will judge - He did permit it to happen...

Of course, He permits all manner of victimizing, and not merely religious ambushing...

There is such a thing as the Mystery of Evil...

It is even Biblical, as you doubtless already know...


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Jesus walked about the streets preaching and having debates with Jews whom he and they had shared the same faith.
 

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It is with love and grace. That you cannot recognize it may be telling.

Well, there is much that is telling - Calling the hurling of accusations an act of love for one...

So back at ya!


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