Water Baptism

[Andrew]

God is a consuming fire, so I just can't accept that those who are saved will be baptized with fire since it is negative in the only place it is mentioned.

We will be baptised by his fire and will desire in it, those who reject him will spend eternity in agony trying to escape from it, that is my idea on what hell means, people fighting back his love but cant, along with all the demons who will do the same, I couldn't imagine why they would reject his Love but because they do, it burns them in agony forever

 

[YourTruthGod]

Here is an example from my life being baptized as an infant in the Catholic church, and supposedly given the Holy Spirit at that time...

I grew up always contrite for the sins that I did do; but, repenting of my sins was something that never entailed actually stopping a sin.

I couldn't even admit I was a sinner since I was a Catholic, and baptized, having my sins washed away from the earliest of my life.

Now can you not see the danger in the Catholic teachings?

 

[Albion]

Pouring and sprinkling are not how it was done, no such teaching in the Bible.

There is no teaching in the Bible that Christian baptism is to be done by immersion, either.

However, the Ethiopian, when wanting to be baptized, saw some water, probably well water-drinking water, and not flowing water, because of where they were on the road to Gaza was in the desert. Philip still baptized him in that water.

Acts 8:26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Go south to the road–the desert road–that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.”
Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?”

As for Catholics and other denominations such as the ones Calvinists belong who do infant baptisms, we know this is not scriptural, since baptism in water is for the remission of sins. One must voluntarily want to be saved, confess, and repent of sins; and babies cannot do that.

Sorry, but there IS Scriptural evidence for that practice (baptizing infants).

John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus. He came preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (Luke 1:76-80).
We are still to confess that we are sinners, and to repent, to prepare the way for Jesus Christ to live in our heart.

I you were addressing an unbaptized adult who had just made a profession of faith, you of course would be speaking of baptizing an adult--an that is the situation with most of the baptisms identified in the New Testament. But it says nothing about baptizing children, certainly nothing about refusingthem baptism.

 

[Albion]

I couldn't even admit I was a sinner since I was a Catholic, and baptized, having my sins washed away from the earliest of my life.

Now can you not see the danger in the Catholic teachings?

I think you will have to present some Catholic teachings to us before you can expect us to answer that! What you have shown us here is a young boy's garbled version of what he thought he had been taught, that's all.

 

[YourTruthGod]

There is no teaching in the Bible that Christian baptism is to be done by immersion, either.


Sorry, but there IS Scriptural evidence for that practice (baptizing infants).


I you were addressing an unbaptized adult who had just made a profession of faith, you of course would be speaking of baptizing an adult--an that is the situation with most of the baptisms identified in the New Testament. But it says nothing about baptizing children, certainly nothing about refusingthem baptism.

It is a sin to add and subtract from the scriptures.

Baptism is my immersion, I proved it with scripture.

As for baptizing infants and children---the disciples tried to send them away and, Jesus placed his hands on them but did not tell the disciples to baptize them.

 

[YourTruthGod]

I think you will have to present some Catholic teachings to us before you can expect us to answer that! What you have shown us here is a young boy's garbled version of what he thought he had been taught, that's all.

That is disrespectful. Just try to think using as much reasoning skills you can muster up.

 

[Albion]

That is disrespectful. Just try to think using as much reasoning skills you can muster up.

LOL Just present actual Catholic teachings to us and we will probably respond! What is wrong with you that you would take offense at something as straightforward an obvious as that?

 

[Albion]

It is a sin to add and subtract from the scriptures.

Baptism is my immersion, I proved it with scripture.

You did no such thing. You didn't even attempt it.

As for baptizing infants and children---the disciples tried to send them away and, Jesus placed his hands on them but did not tell the disciples to baptize them.

But we see, from other parts of the New Testament, that they were.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You did no such thing. You didn't even attempt it.


But we see, from other parts of the New Testament, that they were.

You are the one who added and subtracted from what the Bible says.

No such things and children getting baptized.

 

[YourTruthGod]

LOL Just present actual Catholic teachings to us and we will probably respond! What is wrong with you that you would take offense at something as straightforward an obvious as that?

Go learn some more before you try to teach.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Amen, God said it and I believe it. Jesus said unless one has been reborn by water and the Holy Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

That is what you said to my saying:"So you really believe that Catholic infants received the Holy Spirit at that time?"

Don't you know that there are people in the Bible who believed and were water baptized but they did not yet receive the Holy Spirit.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That is what you said to my saying:"So you really believe that Catholic infants received the Holy Spirit at that time?"

Don't you know that there are people in the Bible who believed and were water baptized but they did not yet receive the Holy Spirit.

Yes, I am aware of the Ephesian disciples who were baptised by saint John the Baptist and of the Samaritans who received the gospel message but did not receive the Holy Spirit until saint Peter came to Samaria to be with them and endow them with the Holy Spirit. There are other stories in The Acts of the Apostles where there is some time separation between baptism and reception of the Holy Spirit yet all these examples are present for specific purposes in the story that saint Luke tells in the Acts. Each story is about the inclusion of new people groups and new people under circumstances where the presence of an Apostle or some other figure of importance in the Church was needed to help readers understand that what happened is right and proper. And every story adds to a reader's understanding that baptism with water and Spirit is what Christian baptism is. No one receives the Holy Spirit and then contemptuously declined to be baptised.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Yes, I am aware of the Ephesian disciples who were baptised by saint John the Baptist and of the Samaritans who received the gospel message but did not receive the Holy Spirit until saint Peter came to Samaria to be with them and endow them with the Holy Spirit. There are other stories in The Acts of the Apostles where there is some time separation between baptism and reception of the Holy Spirit yet all these examples are present for specific purposes in the story that saint Luke tells in the Acts. Each story is about the inclusion of new people groups and new people under circumstances where the presence of an Apostle or some other figure of importance in the Church was needed to help readers understand that what happened is right and proper. And every story adds to a reader's understanding that baptism with water and Spirit is what Christian baptism is. No one receives the Holy Spirit and then contemptuously declined to be baptised.

It is a false thing to baptize infants and little children and say that they received the Holy Spirit.

It is not from the Bible.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is a false thing to baptize infants and little children and say that they received the Holy Spirit.

It is not from the Bible.

The Lord Jesus Christ rebuked his disciples for attempting to prevent Children from coming to him and I expect that the Lord does the same to those who refuse little children the opportunity to come to Christ now. If you are a Baptist or have a view of baptism that is like the view that Baptists have then I am not likely to convince you to change your mind and I have no intention of trying to. I am pleased to accept what the holy scriptures say; namely that baptism saves, that it washes away one's sins, that it is the water that washes in regeneration and that one cannot enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. God told me those things.

 

[YourTruthGod]

The Lord Jesus Christ rebuked his disciples for attempting to prevent Children from coming to him and I expect that the Lord does the same to those who refuse little children the opportunity to come to Christ now. If you are a Baptist or have a view of baptism that is like the view that Baptists have then I am not likely to convince you to change your mind and I have no intention of trying to. I am pleased to accept what the holy scriptures say; namely that baptism saves, that it washes away one's sins, that it is the water that washes in regeneration and that one cannot enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. God told me those things.

Jesus didn't tell his disciples to baptize those children.

 

[Josiah]

Jesus didn't tell his disciples to baptize those children.

Nowhere in the Bible it is stated to only baptize and teach those over the never-disclosed magical age of X. There is the commandment to baptize and teach, but there is no limit,"But thou canst NOT do so to any under an age which will not be disclosed to you." Anti-Paedobaptism, an invention of the Anabaptists in the 16th century, has ZERO support in Scripture, history, tradition or anything else.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Nowhere in the Bible it is stated to only baptize and teach those over the never-disclosed magical age of X. There is the commandment to baptize and teach, but there is no limit,"But thou canst NOT do so to any under an age which will not be disclosed to you." Anti-Paedobaptism, an invention of the Anabaptists in the 16th century, has ZERO support in Scripture, history, tradition or anything else.

When people brought the little children to Jesus, he did not tell the disciples to baptize them.

Water baptism is symbolic of having the sins you REPENTED of doing washed away.

Infants and little children cannot repent of sins.

 

[Josiah]

When people brought the little children to Jesus, he did not tell the disciples to baptize them.

NO ONE in the Bible (for for the first 1600 years of Christianity) ever said, "Thou canst NOT baptize any unless and untill they hath celebrated their "X" birthday and we refuse to tell you what birthday that is."


Anti-Paedobaptism, invented by a few wackadoddle German Anabaptists in the 16th Century out of nothing; has no biblical support, as you document by not quoting a verse with such a limitation or mandate.

Water baptism is symbolic of having the sins you REPENTED of doing washed away

Please quote the Scriptures that state that.

nfants and little children cannot repent of sins.

1. Quote the verse that states that.


2. Quote the verse that states that repentance must chronologically come before baptism.


3. Quote the verse that states what birthday one must celebrate before they are able to repent.






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[MoreCoffee]

Jesus didn't tell his disciples to baptize those children.

Nevertheless children were baptised.

 

[Albion]

Water baptism is symbolic of having the sins you REPENTED of doing washed away.

That's one theory.

However, the Bible clearly identifies benefits or consequences from HAVING received the sacrament. Its not just a gesture performed afterwards, therefore.