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[Andrew]

Romans 10:9 is not just about confession it's also about belief
Believe In Your Heart



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The belief is there and has been there for around five years now
God is on my mind 24/7 and I'm still learning new things every day, amazing grace!

 

[RichWh1]

If you say with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you had better be obeying him.

Read this scripture. This scripture is about people who declare with their mouth Jesus is Lord. Are they just going to be saved because they declared with their mouth that Jesus is Lord? NO!

Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?

Stop pulling Romans out of context! Paul would not have appreciated that!

Romans 10:9 mentions both confession with the mouth and belief in ones heart!



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[YourTruthGod]

So you assume I never repented nor got baptised? I did what God put in me to do, I'm not debating against repentance or baptism or good works, I'm stating that none of these will save you, Christ atonement is what saves his faithful.

You have been going against me for preaching obedience to Christ and the scriptures that say to repent and believe!

Obeying Jesus is how to get saved, for he tells us how .

Jesus saves those who do what he says.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Stop pulling Romans out of context! Paul would not have appreciated that!

Romans 10:9 mentions both confession with the mouth and belief in ones heart!



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Paul doesn't go against Jesus!

You got shown truth and you are trying to kill it.

Shame on you.

 

[Andrew]

What your post says is a nonsense. Clearly the holy scriptures teach that unless one repents and unless one believes the gospel when the opportunity to do so is present then one cannot expect to be saved. So while it is true that the work that is the effective cause of salvation is the work of the Lord Jesus Christ and not any work done by human beings apart from him it is also true that the work of the Lord Jesus Christ is effective for those who do repent and believe the gospel and not effective for those who refuse to repent and reject the gospel. The message in the holy scriptures and in the preaching of Jesus Christ himself is repent and believe the gospel because the kingdom is at hand so do it and live or reject it and see what results.

I said that I did what God put in me to do, he intervened and I repented and got myself baptised even though God had just baptised me in the Holy Spirit and the Spirit desired in me to repent, it wasn't my flesh that caused these works it was with my new birth in the Spirit and with my new heart.
That's my testimony and I'm sticking to it

 

[Andrew]

You have been going against me for preaching obedience to Christ and the scriptures that say to repent and believe!

Obeying Jesus is how to get saved, for he tells us how .

Jesus saves those who do what he says.

I have not been going against you, you were debating on whether we muster up Faith or if Faith is given by God, I say it's given by God

 

[MoreCoffee]

I said that I did what God put in me to do

Why blame God for what you do? Own it yourself. You do what you want to do for whatever reasons you have for doing it.

, he intervened and I repented and got myself baptised even though God had just baptised me in the Holy Spirit and the Spirit desired in me to repent, it wasn't my flesh that caused these works it was with my new birth in the Spirit and with my new heart.
That's my testimony and I'm sticking to it

 

[Andrew]

Why blame God for what you do? Own it yourself. You do what you want to do for whatever reasons you have for doing it.

Blame is not a good word choice MC, without the Spirit I would have continued doing what I wanted to do without it, I do what I do with it, that's the difference

 

[YourTruthGod]

I have not been going against you, you were debating on whether we muster up Faith or if Faith is given by God, I say it's given by God

God does NOT give us faith like a spark without our knowing or wanting! That is what you said, but I have been giving you scriptures that we get faith by HEARING GOD's words and being taught, persuaded, and convinced!

God tells us things and we do them and His word is true!

 

[MoreCoffee]

Blame is not a good word choice MC, without the Spirit I would have continued doing what I wanted to do without it, I do what I do with it, that's the difference

There's no difference; you do what you want to do for whatever reasons you have for doing it. Invoking the Holy Spirit as cause for your deeds is not credible.The claim you've made implies that whatever you do is really God's doing. You can't make that claim credibly. No one will believe that everything you do is really God's doing and that you are some kind of vehicle that God is driving to accomplish his purposes.

 

[Andrew]

There's no difference; you do what you want to do for whatever reasons you have for doing it. Invoking the Holy Spirit as cause for your deeds is no credible.The claim you've made implies that whatever you do is really God's doing. You can't make that claim credibly. No one will believe that everything you do is really God's doing and that you are some kind of vehicle that God is driving to accomplish his purposes.

We are Gods workmanship MC

 

[MoreCoffee]

We are Gods workmanship MC

You very likely think that "we are God's workmanship" means something about your claim to be God's emissary who is enervated, driven, motivated, and controlled by God but the phrase "we are God's workmanship" really does not.

 

[RichWh1]

Paul doesn't go against Jesus!

You got shown truth and you are trying to kill it.

Shame on you.

I didn't say Paul went against Jesus. I just mentioned that you pulled Paul's words from their context, focusing only on confession with the mouth.

I am not trying to kill the truth. Just making sure no one else does.




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[Andrew]

You very likely think that "we are God's workmanship" means something about your claim to be God's emissary who is enervated, driven, motivated, and controlled by God but the phrase "we are God's workmanship" really does not.

MC all works are vile without the Holy Spirit working in us.

 

[YourTruthGod]

I didn't say Paul went against Jesus. I just mentioned that you pulled Paul's words from their context, focusing only on confession with the mouth.

I am not trying to kill the truth. Just making sure no one else does.




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You can't get out of what you did.

Paul preaches what Jesus preaches.

Jesus preached that if you declare with your mouth that he is Lord, then you had better be obeying him.

Do you think Paul saying to say with your mouth and believe that it is as YOU teach? NO WAY are we told to just say with our mouth and believe means do not repent of your sins and believe that Jesus' blood washes away those sins.

 

[YourTruthGod]

MC all works are vile without the Holy Spirit working in us.

That is creepy and not true.

Do you want me to show you from scripture how WHAT PEOPLE DID was accredited to them to get saved and receive the Holy Spirit?

 

[MoreCoffee]

MC all works are vile without the Holy Spirit working in us.

Your post is just repeating a Calvinist slogan of sorts. It isn't true. Many things that God created are good and people are God's creations so I think that many things that human beings do are good things. Besides, the negative views that Calvinism inculcates about humanity are unhealthy views to hold. I'd urge you to stop holding them but you would likely pay no attention.

 

[RichWh1]

You can't get out of what you did.

Paul preaches what Jesus preaches.

Jesus preached that if you declare with your mouth that he is Lord, then you had better be obeying him.

Do you think Paul saying to say with your mouth and believe that it is as YOU teach? NO WAY are we told to just say with our mouth and believe means do not repent of your sins and believe that Jesus' blood washes away those sins.

You've gone off the deep end with your theology assuming that if one says he is saved by faith and not works he is not really saved.
Is that what you're saying?


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[YourTruthGod]

You've gone off the deep end with your theology assuming that if one says he is saved by faith and not works he is not really saved.
Is that what you're saying?


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You are the one who already went off the deep end.

The Holy Bible says that faith without right action, like repenting of sins is DEAD and CANNOT SAVE ANYONE.

 

[Andrew]

That is creepy and not true.

Do you want me to show you from scripture how WHAT PEOPLE DID was accredited to them to get saved and receive the Holy Spirit?

If our works were naturally good we wouldn't need the Holy Spirit to guide us then