What is sin?

[MoreCoffee]

I did search for mortal sin. Came up blank. Same with venial sin. Any particular keywords I should use?

The choice for your search was rather unimaginative.

1 John 5:16-17 NRSV If you see your brother or sister committing what is not a mortal sin, you will ask, and God will give life to such a one--to those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin that is mortal; I do not say that you should pray about that. (17) All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal.

 

[Hammster]

I don't use that version.

So what are these sins, in your understanding?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't use that version.

So what are these sins, in your understanding?

have you looked in the theology forum recently?

 

[Hammster]

have you looked in the theology forum recently?

This thread is there. And all I get from you is a game.

 

[MoreCoffee]

This is the original post from another thread.

Holy scripture makes a distinction between mortal and non mortal sins. In the KJV these two categories of sin are called a sin unto death and a sin not unto death. The passage in which these words are used is this:

1 John 5:16-17 (16) If any man see his brother sinning a sin not unto death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: not concerning this do I say that he should make request. (17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.​

On the matter of a sin not unto death WORD PICTURES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT by Archibald Thomas Robertson observes:

Not unto death (mē pros thanaton). Repeated again with hamartanousin and in contrast with hamartia pros thanaton (sin unto death). Most sins are not mortal sins, but clearly John conceives of a sin that is deadly enough to be called “unto death.” This distinction is common in the rabbinic writings and in Num 18:22 the LXX has labein hamartian thanatēphoron “to incur a death-bearing sin” as many crimes then and now bear the death penalty. There is a distinction in Heb 10:26 between sinning wilfully after full knowledge and sins of ignorance (Heb 5:2). Jesus spoke of the unpardonable sin (Mark 3:29; Matt 12:32; Luke 12:10), which was attributing to the devil the manifest work of the Holy Spirit. It is possible that John has this idea in mind when he applies it to those who reject Jesus Christ as God’s Son and set themselves up as antichrists.​

Numbers 18:22 The Israelites will no longer approach the Tent of Meeting, on pain of committing a deadly sin.

Of course there were a number of sins that carried the death penalty under the Laws of Moses these would not doubt be considered deadly sins under that covenant. Under the new covenant the sins that appear to carry a very serious penalty are included in various lists; among those listed are these:

Revelation 21:6-8 (6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. (7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (8) But the

• fearful, and
• unbelieving, and
• the abominable, and
• murderers, and
• whoremongers, and
• sorcerers, and
• idolaters, and
• all liars,

shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

The scriptures list a number of sins that are sufficient to separate a person from God.

 

[Hammster]

So much for searching the scriptures yourself.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So much for searching the scriptures yourself.

I figured that you wouldn't do it. So I posted in this thread what I posted in another thread earlier. Some folk reading in here will, God willing, appreciate seeing what God has to say instead of reading the pointless complaints in your earlier posts.

 

[Hammster]

I figured that you wouldn't do it. So I posted in this thread what I posted in another thread earlier. Some folk reading in here will, God willing, appreciate seeing what God has to say instead of reading the pointless complaints in your earlier posts.

You posted what someone else wrote. So much for doing your own research.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You posted what someone else wrote. So much for doing your own research.

I posted what I wrote and what I wrote included a passage from the bible and a quote about what the bible said written by Archibald Thomas Robertson, but I can see that you're disappointed that the bible actually does say what it says because what it says contradicts the theology you want to promote.

 

[Hammster]

I posted what I wrote and what I wrote included a passage from the bible and a quote about what the bible said written by Archibald Thomas Robertson, but I can see that you're disappointed that the bible actually does say what it says because what it says contradicts the theology you want to promote.

How does it contradict my theology?

 

[MoreCoffee]

How does it contradict my theology?

Evidently your theology doesn't have a distinction between 'sins unto death' and 'sins not unto death' otherwise you would have remembered 1John 5:16-17 and the list in Revelation 21:6-8 as well as Numbers 18:22 and the many sins given a death penalty in the old covenant. But since you didn't know those things, or refuse to acknowledge them it appears as if your theology has no place for them. Maybe you need a new theology, or need to study the theology that you espouse more thoroughly so that such distinctions are accounted for.

 

[Hammster]

Evidently your theology doesn't have a distinction between 'sins unto death' and 'sins not unto death' otherwise you would have remembered 1John 5:16-17 and the list in Revelation 21:6-8 as well as Numbers 18:22 and the many sins given a death penalty in the old covenant. But since you didn't know those things, or refuse to acknowledge them it appears as if your theology has no place for them. Maybe you need a new theology, or need to study the theology that you espouse more thoroughly so that such distinctions are accounted for.

In my theology we just take things at face value. John says there is a sin unto death. He's not specific, though. But he does say that all sin is lawlessness. So in the context he's not setting aside some sins as worse than others. He's saying that if a brother (that would be a Christian) is living with an a repentant sin, God could take him out.

 

[MoreCoffee]

In my theology we just take things at face value. John says there is a sin unto death. He's not specific, though. But he does say that all sin is lawlessness. So in the context he's not setting aside some sins as worse than others. He's saying that if a brother (that would be a Christian) is living with an a repentant sin, God could take him out.

No, he says that there is a deadly sin and there is a sin that is not deadly. Play games with the passage if it suits your theology but the passage will still say what it says when your game is forgotten. And it appears that you didn't want a list of 'deadly sins' because the one given has gone un-remarked by you as if it never existed. But in case you want to comment on it here it is again.

Revelation 21:6-8 (6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. (7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (8) But the

• fearful, and
• unbelieving, and
• the abominable, and
• murderers, and
• whoremongers, and
• sorcerers, and
• idolaters, and
• all liars,

shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

 

[Hammster]

Did he say sins leading to death, or a sin?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Did he say sins leading to death, or a sin?

I am confident that you can read it in the bible as easily as reading it in a quote of the bible in one of my posts.

The Message says: For instance, if we see a Christian believer sinning (clearly I'm not talking about those who make a practice of sin in a way that is "fatal," leading to eternal death), we ask for God's help and he gladly gives it, gives life to the sinner whose sin is not fatal. There is such a thing as a fatal sin, and I'm not urging you to pray about that. Everything we do wrong is sin, but not all sin is fatal.

 

[Hammster]

The Message? Lol


Kjv (which you use) says a sin. But you say there's more than one. Why's that?

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Message? Lol


Kjv (which you use) says a sin. But you say there's more than one. Why's that?

I am not a KJV only chap; are you?

Ἐάν τις ἴδῃ τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ ἁμαρτάνοντα ἁμαρτίαν μὴ πρὸς θάνατον, αἰτήσει, καὶ δώσει αὐτῷ ζωήν, τοῖς ἁμαρτάνουσιν μὴ πρὸς θάνατον. ἔστιν ἁμαρτία πρὸς θάνατον· οὐ περὶ ἐκείνης λέγω ἵνα ἐρωτήσῃ. πᾶσα ἀδικία ἁμαρτία ἐστίν, καὶ ἔστιν ἁμαρτία οὐ πρὸς θάνατον. (1 John 5:16-17 NA26)

 

[Hammster]

I am not a KJV only chap; are you?

I have no use for it. But it's what you quote from. So is it wrong here?

 

[Hammster]

All sin is lawlessness. All means all.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I have no use for it. But it's what you quote from. So is it wrong here?

I only occasionally quote from the KJV, more often from the ASV, and most of all from other versions.