What is sin?

[Hammster]

Not at all. Ignorance is safety. Children are pure and without sin until society corrupts them.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I'd rather not derail this thread. Thanks.

 

[popsthebuilder]

You said you disagree with it. You can't disagree and agree at the same time.

Part of it is saying the same thing over and over with different wording. Other parts like obeying God's commands and loving God is in line with the teachings of scripture. It is not a sin for someone to not actively seek knowledge of God if they don't know of it at all. Not fearing God isn't technically a sin in it's self. It leads to sin from lack of fear or lack of sense of consequence.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

A single comment isn't going to derail it. Repeated comments about not derailing it could.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

Part of it is saying the same thing over and over with different wording. Other parts like obeying God's commands and loving God is in line with the teachings of scripture. It is not a sin for someone to not actively seek knowledge of God if they don't know of it at all. Not fearing God isn't technically a sin in it's self. It leads to sin from lack of fear or lack of sense of consequence.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Is there any commands in scripture to seek God?

 

[Hammster]

A single comment isn't going to derail it. Repeated comments about not derailing it could.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

But two will. Please stay on topic.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Ms. Ruth asked a simple question. You felt compelled to answer it without answering it. I felt compelled to answer because you didn't. Really you could have answered her and asked her to stay on topic in the same post instead of being your usual rude self. Reap what you sow.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

Ms. Ruth asked a simple question. You felt compelled to answer it without answering it. I felt compelled to answer because you didn't. Really you could have answered her and asked her to stay on topic in the same post instead of being your usual rude self. Reap what you sow.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Please stay on topic. It's not about babies, me or Ruth.

 

[Josiah]

SIN is the spiritual disease..... It is all those things Piper mentioned. It is self-centeredness, self-worship, self-deification. It is a SICK, TWISTED, BENT quality that is part of our new, fallen, "human" nature (that's not TRULY human at all). It is part of who we are from conception.

SINS are the symptoms, the consequence of SIN. If I had a cold (a disease), I'd likely (occasionally anyway) cough, sneeze, etc. - those are SYMPTOMS of the disease. There are symptoms of sin of thoughts/will, word, deeds. Of things done and left undone. Intentionally, knowingly, willfullfully..... or unintentionally, unknowningly, very much oppossed to our will: Makes no difference whether I sneeze willingly or not. Makes no difference if I'm aware my nose is running or not. I still have a cold. And likely, symptoms will be present. But let's say I have a lot of self-control (or perhaps just take a handfull of powerful drugs!) and the symptoms entirely disappear. Do I still have a cold? Yup. Same with sin and sins. This is why it is VERY dangerous to confuse symptoms with disease as the Pharisees did (and a lot of Christians still do), it can lead one to OPINION that THEY are well when they are terminally sick.



Lord, have MERCY.



- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. (1 John 3:4)

SIN is an offence against God as well as a fault against reason, truth, and right conscience. Sin is a deliberate thought, word, deed, or omission contrary to the eternal law of God. In judging the gravity of sin, it is customary to distinguish between mortal and venial sins.

 

[Hammster]

Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. (1 John 3:4)

SIN is an offence against God as well as a fault against reason, truth, and right conscience. Sin is a deliberate thought, word, deed, or omission contrary to the eternal law of God. In judging the gravity of sin, it is customary to distinguish between mortal and venial sins.

Since you disagreed with the OP, are you saying that nothing listed is an offense to God?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since you disagreed with the OP, are you saying that nothing listed is an offense to God?

I am saying

Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. (1 John 3:4)

SIN is an offence against God as well as a fault against reason, truth, and right conscience. Sin is a deliberate thought, word, deed, or omission contrary to the eternal law of God. In judging the gravity of sin, it is customary to distinguish between mortal and venial sins.

 

[Hammster]

I am saying

Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. (1 John 3:4)

SIN is an offence against God as well as a fault against reason, truth, and right conscience. Sin is a deliberate thought, word, deed, or omission contrary to the eternal law of God. In judging the gravity of sin, it is customary to distinguish between mortal and venial sins.

I read what you wrote. I'm tying to figure out how that relates to your disagreement with the OP, which you've yet to spell out.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Disagree. It looks like an invented list; something a chap might draw up when bored witless and wanting to list all the 'wrongs' that ought to be 'righted'.

Because it is an invention. If it were taught in holy scripture he'd be listing the passages instead of offering his opinions.

Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. (1 John 3:4)

SIN is an offence against God as well as a fault against reason, truth, and right conscience. Sin is a deliberate thought, word, deed, or omission contrary to the eternal law of God. In judging the gravity of sin, it is customary to distinguish between mortal and venial sins.

I read what you wrote. I'm tying to figure out how that relates to your disagreement with the OP, which you've yet to spell out.

My first post in this thread explains why I disagree. My second post reiterates the reason and gives an additional reason. And my post shown as the third quote above explains what sin is according to holy scripture and also according to my Church. I hope this helps.

 

[Hammster]

Since you won't engage in a discussion about the OP, where in scripture does it discuss mortal and venial sins?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since you won't engage in a discussion about the OP, where in scripture does it discuss mortal and venial sins?

In saint John first letter.

 

[Hammster]

In saint John first letter.

Where? Chapter? Verse?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Where? Chapter? Verse?

First John Chapter five verses sixteen and following.

 

[Hammster]

16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life-to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that.
17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.
18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. - 1 John 5:16-“If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.”
**1 John‬ *5:16-21‬ *KJV‬‬


I can't find the list. Perhaps you can point it out.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since you won't engage in a discussion about the OP, where in scripture does it discuss mortal and venial sins?

In saint John first letter.

Where? Chapter? Verse?

First John Chapter five verses sixteen and following.

I can't find the list. Perhaps you can point it out.

I gave exactly what was requested in your earlier posts. I am not going to play bait-and-switch with you now.

 

[Hammster]

What bait and switch? You made a statement that I'm trying to understand. You said I could find mortal and venial sins in the passage I posted. I don't see it. I don't think it's too much to ask for you to explain it so that I, and anyone else reading, can see how you come to your conclusions.