Sinless Mary

[Andrew]

Spiritually dead men cannot be good nor can they do good. God says that all our righteousness is as filthy rags. Bragging or not bragging is irrelevant.

I wasn't talking about the Spiritually dead I'm talking about the rebirth of the Spirit and the gift of Charity and fruitfulness we receive from God apart from mans 'goodness' aka filthy rags.

 

[MennoSota]

I wasn't talking about the Spiritually dead I'm talking about the rebirth of the Spirit and the gift of Charity and fruitfulness we receive from God apart from mans 'goodness' aka filthy rags.

Then we are discussing two different things.
But, back to the topic...
No, Mary was not sinless.

 

[Arsenios]

Mary was not sinless.

Where does Scripture record her sin(s)?


Arsenios

 

[psalms 91]

Where does Scripture record her sin(s)?


Arsenios

Where does it say she was sinless and how does it change that Christ is the only one sinless and able to atone for our sins?

 

[MennoSota]

Where does Scripture record her sin(s)?


Arsenios

Where does scripture call her sinless?

Scripture says "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Mary, unlike Jesus, is not God. Therefore, Mary fell short.

 

[Azrael]

I propose Christ wasn’t sinless and this concept was created by mistaken historians.

I believe he was innocent of the crime he was crucified for.

I also believe any man born of the flesh is subject to the conflict of good and evil in this physical realm .

I believe he may have been the strongest and most wise spirit before entering this realm, more resistant to the physical realm’s temptations, but he was in the flesh like the rest of us.

Scripture has so much wrong. Scripture contradicts itself because it is compiled by fallible people sometimes even with agendas.

 

[Albion]

I propose Christ wasn’t sinless and this concept was created by mistaken historians.

Exactly what evidence could any historian cite as proof that Christ was not sinless? :heheh:

 

[Andrew]

I propose Christ wasn’t sinless and this concept was created by mistaken historians.

I believe he was innocent of the crime he was crucified for.

I also believe any man born of the flesh is subject to the conflict of good and evil in this physical realm .

I believe he may have been the strongest and most wise spirit before entering this realm, more resistant to the physical realm’s temptations, but he was in the flesh like the rest of us.

Scripture has so much wrong. Scripture contradicts itself because it is compiled by fallible people sometimes even with agendas.

Yikes! Remember that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.

 

[Azrael]

Yikes! Remember that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God.

I don’t buy it one bit.

I don’t believe he became Exulted until Godhood until after three days, after his resurrection.

 

[Andrew]

I don’t buy it one bit.

I don’t believe he became Exulted I to Godhood until after three days, after his resurrection.

So Jesus was just a wise man who died and managed to come back to life and then flew up to heaven?

 

[Azrael]

So Jesus was just a wise man who died and managed to come back to life and then flew up to heaven?

I believe he was Messiah on a mission, and completed that mission.

I believe he isn’t God, but God’s Son, who was handed the Keys of Creation in the preexistence.

I believe he was murdered even though innocent.

I believe after three days he was resurrected and made a God.

I also believe the reason why His missions would be misunderstood was so that God could separate the sheep from the goats.

 

[MennoSota]

I propose Christ wasn’t sinless and this concept was created by mistaken historians.

I believe he was innocent of the crime he was crucified for.

I also believe any man born of the flesh is subject to the conflict of good and evil in this physical realm .

I believe he may have been the strongest and most wise spirit before entering this realm, more resistant to the physical realm’s temptations, but he was in the flesh like the rest of us.

Scripture has so much wrong. Scripture contradicts itself because it is compiled by fallible people sometimes even with agendas.

Again, you reveal no connection to the body of Christ, Azrael. Your proposition is utterly rejected by Christianity.

 

[Azrael]

Again, you reveal no connection to the body of Christ, Azrael. Your proposition is utterly rejected by Christianity.

Do you speak of all of Christianity, every sect, for Christ himself, or just you?

So are you a sheep or a goat from my perspective?

 

[MennoSota]

So are you a sheep or a goat?

At this moment you are openly proclaiming yourself as a goat.
God has chosen to give me the gift of faith. In John 8 Jesus says:
58Jesus said to them,*“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was,*I am.”
In Exodus 3 God says:
14God said to Moses, “I am who I am.”And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel,*‘I am*has sent me to you.’”*
Jesus is God. God is sinless.
You are a goat, Azrael. Not all Israel is Israel and you are presently not a part of the chosen people.

 

[Azrael]

At this moment you are openly proclaiming yourself as a goat.
God has chosen to give me the gift of faith. In John 8 Jesus says:
58Jesus said to them,*“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was,*I am.”
In Exodus 3 God says:
14God said to Moses, “I am who I am.”And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel,*‘I am*has sent me to you.’”*
Jesus is God. God is sinless.
You are a goat, Azrael. Not all Israel is Israel and you are presently not a part of the chosen people.

You make a claim against me by what authority? You represent Christ or God directly in what capacity?

You buy the lie of the Trinity? I’ll pray for you!

The goat and the sheep both make good meals at the harvest. A goat is rugged and can eat brush and scrap, a goat clears the fields of brush so the grass can grow. A goat does a great work. A sheep is soft, provides a different but equally valuable service to its master. Both are necessary to a fold.

 

[Andrew]

You make a claim against me by what authority? You represent Christ or God directly in what capacity?

You buy the lie of the Trinity? I’ll pray for you!

The goat and the sheep both make good meals at the harvest. A goat is rugged and can eat brush and scrap, a goat clears the fields of brush so the grass can grow. A goat does a great work. A sheep is soft, provides a different but equally valuable service to its master. Both are necessary to a fold.

Scriptural authority, the same scripture that you claim contradicts itself

 

[MennoSota]

You make a claim against me by what authority? You represent Christ or God directly in what capacity?

You buy the lie of the Trinity? I’ll pray for you!

By the very fact that you reject God the Son as being sinless. Your very words condemn you. God knows you are not presently a part of the body of Christ because you openly deny the Messiah as being sinless God.
Your offended by me honestly speaking truth to your own present damnation. You should be presently seeking God's forgiveness for openly denying His being.

 

[Azrael]

Scriptural authority, the same scripture that you claim contradicts itself

It contradicts itself because no God has ever touched his pen into the book.

It is a book of man.

Any man who believes otherwise is taken by the same spirit of Lucifer that resulted in him being cast out to begin with.

 

[Azrael]

By the very fact that you reject God the Son as being sinless. Your very words condemn you. God knows you are not presently a part of the body of Christ because you openly deny the Messiah as being sinless God.
Your offended by me honestly speaking truth to your own present damnation. You should be presently seeking God's forgiveness for openly denying His being.

Will you say this to Christ himself one day should he tell you you’re wrong?

 

[MennoSota]

It contradicts itself because no God has ever touched his pen into the book.

It is a book of man.

Any man who believes otherwise is taken by the same spirit of Lucifer that resulted in him being cast out to begin with.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,*17that*the man of God*may be complete,*equipped*for every good work.

It is the very words of God. Nothing less. You reject the authoritative word of the Creator God, denying God's breath upon every word.

You are railing against God when you deny His word comes not from God, but only from men.
Azrael, I wish you were not presently a goat, living under the curse. I wish that you would fully trust God and His holy word