Five star hotel or feeding trough... It matters, how?

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Again, the old debate have begun as to how, when, and where Christ was born - the exact conditions, were there animals, was it a barn/room/basement suite?
Yes, it is simple to be carried 'away in a manger' and believe this is the truth, but it is equally as simple to jump into a mindset of having to prove the opposite - that these weren't the conditions, and Christ most likely was safe, secure, and had central air. It was probably in September anyway.

So... it matters, how?

Merry Christmas
 

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We don't know for certain all the details, but I think we can be assured that it was not a five-star hotel or anything upscale.
 

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Actually, there are two Greek words typically translated into English as "inn." One (a recent creation) means close to what we mean by "hotel" - a place and business where travelers can spend the night. The ancient Greeks were probably the first to invent these, and it greatly expanded during Roman times. They were found in all major cities and at times at junctions of major Roman highways. They would have an innkeeper, a registration desk, etc. There would be no such inn in the tiny, out of the way village of Bethlehem. This word appears only once in the Bible, in the parable of the Good Samaritan, where the wounded traveler is taken to an inn to recover.

But that's not the word found in the Christmas narrative. That word simply means a place to sleep. That's all. It could equally be translated "bedroom," although the connotation is a place where guests could sleep. There would be no innkeeper, no registration desk, no vacancy / no vacancy sign outside - just SOME PLACE where a guest could lay down a bed roll. Important in a day when hotels were rare (and expensive). Houses of common people back then generally consisted of just one room, with no fireplace.... and no kitchen or bath (those where outside).... and priority was given not to the family but to the animals! They needed to be kept safe and contained at night. In the winter, the family slept with them because they generated much appreciated heat. Yes, the room was kept very clean, it was constantly cleaned, since this was space shared. When the weather was warmer (and the animals, hum, perhaps not smelling that great), the family simply slept on the roof (cooler, better air).

We have no clue when Jesus was born... but it seemed the house they asked to stay at at that time (probably that of a relative) didn't have any space in the usual sleeping space. That's all the text actually says. Was this during a warmer season and the roof was crowded? Were they instead sleeping downstairs, with the animals? That "fits" better with our image. Or was it cooler and the Holy Family was sent up to the roof, requiring blankets but still hospitable (and private)?

What about that manger? It was, after all, a feeding trough typically made of stone (but sometimes wood)? Doesn't that prove the weather is nice and the Holy Family is down there with the animals? Maybe.... but it is possible the manger was simply containing hey needed for those bedrolls and not for the animals at all. All hey containers were called "mangers" - whether animals ate from them or not. And it's entirely possible the typical crib was a manger... one supplied as the nursery.

It's unlikely the host family were the meanies we've made them out to be ... although they likely didn't give up THEIR space (and should have), they lacked the hospitality Jews were known for, but they did gave the family a place to stay... and some privacy.

What about the earliest tradition, that Jesus was born in a cave? Well, caves were often used as barns but seldom as homes. It COULD be (especially in Winter) that Mary and Joseph were given that space in which to live while in
Bethlehem... in winter, it was common to live with the animals. This would diminish the "no room in the inn" comment, however... but perhaps that ONLY means that they were not living in (or on) a house (the usual places to sleep).

By the way, there's nothing in the text (or early tradition) that suggests Mary and Joseph had just arrived in Bethlehem. Most scholars think they would have been there for several weeks before Jesus was born. It's thus possible this sleeping arrangement was made long before it was Mary's time to deliver. The Bible says "WHILE they were THERE...." nothing implying Jesus was born right away.
 

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First, there is no theological value in "Come on Ring Those Bells." A song I will not listen to by choice.
Second, in comparison with heaven...is there any situation on earth where Jesus doesn't come to a pauper's home?
 

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Again, the old debate have begun as to how, when, and where Christ was born - the exact conditions, were there animals, was it a barn/room/basement suite?
Yes, it is simple to be carried 'away in a manger' and believe this is the truth, but it is equally as simple to jump into a mindset of having to prove the opposite - that these weren't the conditions, and Christ most likely was safe, secure, and had central air. It was probably in September anyway.

So... it matters, how?

Merry Christmas

I should think it a rabbit hole -

His Birth is prophetic...

The INN means the Old Covenant Church...
Just as the Good Samaritan's INN means the New Covenant Church...

He was born among dumb beasts - That be you and me...
Cradled in the trough that feeds dumb beasts...

That is where the grain is fed, not the hay...
We eat His Body and drink His Blood...
"I am the Bread of Life..."
Bread is grain...

Christ is Born!

Glorify Him!


Arsenios
 
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First, there is no theological value in "Come on Ring Those Bells." A song I will not listen to by choice.
Second, in comparison with heaven...is there any situation on earth where Jesus doesn't come to a pauper's home?

The 'like' was a mistake (but maybe not...) so thank you for making my point. Listen to what you want. Know what I'm doing today? Handing out Naloxone kits. Look it up. I've given out 15 already to very grateful people, two of whom were camped right outside the church door
 
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A song I will not listen to by choice.

Personally, it makes me want to dance a jig, which I just might (privately) after the day I will have had.
The joy of Christ be with you
 
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