Refuting Catholic Church bogus claim of succession...

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Amen. The Osteen family, the "Crystal Cathedral" Schuller family, and many others inherit their pastoral office in the family line. A local Pentecostal church had a senior pastor who handed on his seat to his son - later the church split over the matter.

All true. Facts that can be fact checked.
 

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Amen. The Osteen family, the "Crystal Cathedral" Schuller family, and many others inherit their pastoral office in the family line. A local Pentecostal church had a senior pastor who handed on his seat to his son - later the church split over the matter.

All true. Facts that can be fact checked.
No I believe you. Are the Popes related btw?
 

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No I believe you. Are the Popes related btw?

No, not for centuries, and even when a related pope was appointed after some relative they were not sons in a line of succession. Popes are elected, always have been, at least as far back as records go. Back to the 300s and before AD.
 

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The Osteen family, the "Crystal Cathedral" Schuller family, and many others inherit their pastoral office in the family line. A local Pentecostal church had a senior pastor who handed on his seat to his son - later the church split over the matter.


not the same thing

Comparing three or four independent congregations with the largest church/religion in the world is obviously meaningless. You're right about that, DH.
 

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No, not for centuries, and even when a related pope was appointed after some relative they were not sons in a line of succession. Popes are elected, always have been, at least as far back as records go. Back to the 300s and before AD.
Sadly there have been some very wicked popes. The Medici family, a known corrupt family, got one of their sons "elected" as a pope. It was just a power play for the family.
The popes are rarely godly person's. They are usually political pawns in a crooked and corrupt denomination.
 

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...and, for some reason, God wanted Italians only as Popes for over 400 years straight. :heheh:

The fact that the Popes themselves appoint the members of the College of Cardinals--which is the electoral college of the Papal elections--didn't hurt.
 

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"Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
Matthew 18:18-20

What if two or three are gathered in the name of Christ but they happen to not agree with a separate group that contradicts the word of God?

Before I continue I wish to assure everyone here at CH that I absolutely respect a strict Catholic... Why? Because I view Catholicism as a means to the masses for them to read the Word for themselves to relieve their burden if they wish to actually read the word, regardless they are still gathered believers in Christ. I believe the whole of Catholic dogma relies on the supposed succession of the popes -Peter being the first Pope. Peter believed and thus was a foundation or "rock" of Christ church just as all believers ARE. WE believers ARE the succession or better -continuance of the Church IMO.

In the Vatican's defense all I can say is... again, 2 or more believers hold the church and each holds the key, thus if they two or three agree that penance is required than so it is for them but not necessarily for all believers.
We all have our role in the church and there are many important divisions and functions but when one part of the body demands all must work the same function as them, it is not scriptural.
In conclusion I denounce many Catholic beliefs to be exclusive to all masses of believers-because it just does not apply to Scripture -and to call themselves THE one and only Church of God is not an argument to defend, believing such is a complete contradiction to Scripture.

If you do not behave ill embarrass more than the pride this thread presumes.

Grr.
 

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If you do not behave ill embarrass more than the pride this thread presumes.

Grr.
MC has taken full control of that division sir...
 
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