Kavanaugh has an accuser

[Andrew]

Democrats are really pushing hard and bringing every crumb to the table.
Further separation now between men and women, now we are guilty until proven innocent, amendments are slowly being diminished, what's next? Maybe we should get Bill Clinton on the supreme court.
Underage teens at a drinking party 36 years ago, and just now :/

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, some testimony has started and some statements made by senators.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

This is interesting - apparently a lead prosecutor from a "Special Victims" department in Georgia has been invited to ask questions of Ford and Kavanaugh. Senators must yield their time to her in order for her to ask questions, but maybe a smart move

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...fling-line-of-questions/ar-BBNDgnc?li=AAggNb9

 

[MoreCoffee]

This is interesting - apparently a lead prosecutor from a "Special Victims" department in Georgia has been invited to ask questions of Ford and Kavanaugh. Senators must yield their time to her in order for her to ask questions, but maybe a smart move

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...fling-line-of-questions/ar-BBNDgnc?li=AAggNb9

The woman prosecutor asked Dr Ford questions but not Judge Kavanaugh.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Kavanaugh has a defender. God bless Sen. Graham. Btw, this isn't "Fox News" spin. I was listening when this took place

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

The woman prosecutor asked Dr Ford questions but not Judge Kavanaugh.

Oh. Several articles made it out to be both. I hadn't been listening in earlier as it had been quite far into their day so I missed it

 

[Andrew]

Kavanaugh has a defender. God bless Sen. Graham. Btw, this isn't "Fox News" spin. I was listening when this took place

I love the look on Kavanaughs face just as Sen. Graham started pointing out the culprit, like a breath of fresh air.
This mans name was being slowly assassinated on live TV, so glad Graham and a few others defended him.

 

[NewCreation435]

I love the look on Kavanaughs face just as Sen. Graham started pointing on the culprit, like a breath of fresh air.
This mans name was being slowly assassinated on live TV, so glad Graham and a few others defended him.

i heard Graham's temper tantrum and thought to myself he sounds a little like Trump and maybe he's thinking about running for President again soon

 

[Andrew]

i heard Graham's temper tantrum and thought to myself he sounds a little like Trump and maybe he's thinking about running for President again soon

It was not a meltdown, it was a good old fashion 'butt' chewing.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

i heard Graham's temper tantrum and thought to myself he sounds a little like Trump and maybe he's thinking about running for President again soon

I'm sorry you saw it that way. "Little Trumps" keep things to themselves until it suits them. Sen. Feinstein should be embarrassed. At least the Dems moved on to important questions about vomiting and flatulence afterward

 

[MoreCoffee]

i heard Graham's temper tantrum and thought to myself he sounds a little like Trump and maybe he's thinking about running for President again soon

I saw his tirade and accusing finger pointed at the Democratic senators. And I saw judge Kavanaugh's conspiracy theory rant about Hillary Clinton and resentful liberals who wanted to get him (the judge) as some kind of proxy for their allegedly pent up anger against Donald Trump and the 2016 election. And I thought this man is a party partisan fighter. He is not fit to sit on the SCOTUS as a justice. He is not impartial. He is angry and willing to embrace absurd conspiracy theories and to blame Hillary Clinton for his predicament. Hillary did not ferret out the accusations brought against judge Kavanaugh. Three women have come forward with testimony against him. And Dr Ford clearly is not a party hack or member of a conspiracy. Later the judge apologised for some of his emotional party partisan outbursts.

 

[psalms 91]

I think there is absolutely no proof, and just the opposite in this case. I just hope he is able to resume his life as it was. That is the problem with bringing uaccusations that cant be proven, his name will always be associated with this. As most of you know I am a Democrat but I am ashamed of what has happened to what I can see is a fine man. Just because I disagree with some of the positions is no reason to drag him through the mud

 

[Lamb]

Ford has not convinced me that it was Kavanaugh. I'm convinced that she was panicked enough by an event that happened at a party. But her details are inconsistent and her memory too fuzzy for me to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Kavanaugh who assaulted her.

Kavanaugh on the other hand attempted to convince everyone his life was completely pure. I don't buy that.

 

[Arsenios]

Ford has not convinced me that it was Kavanaugh. I'm convinced that she was panicked enough by an event that happened at a party. But her details are inconsistent and her memory too fuzzy for me to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Kavanaugh who assaulted her.

Kavanaugh on the other hand attempted to convince everyone his life was completely pure. I don't buy that.

It does appear that she has had sexual trauma which she seems to be "virtually" bringing to light on the great stage of her political orientation, because her memory is selective - Detailed on the meeting with one of the accused perps in a store three weeks later, yet unable to remember the place or date of the attack... Nor enough details to identify the house... Nor even how she got to the house or how she got home...

By keeping the time and place of the attack concealed in forgetfulness, she makes sure that the accused cannot prove her account to be untrue by showing a solid alibi, because he has detailed daily diary notes of his whereabouts and adtivities for every day of his life at that time...

And then she can't remember if she gave a reporter a copy of her therapist's notes [medical records]... And she is a PhD Psychologist...

The vote will tell the outcome, but her testimony is impeached...

I really think she has overlaid a real memory with this one which is virtual...

With the obvious political and psychological motivations...

She even admitted "reconstructing" here memory working backwards...

And remembering whether or not she had given her psychologist's notes to a political reporter would have opened her up to possible perjury charges...

Her memory lapses are just way too conveniently self-serving...

I don't buy it either - The event was too staged as well...

This whole thing stinks...


Arsenios

 

[Lamb]

It does appear that she has had sexual trauma which she seems to be "virtually" bringing to light on the great stage of her political orientation, because her memory is selective - Detailed on the meeting with one of the accused perps in a store three weeks later, yet unable to remember the place or date of the attack... Nor enough details to identify the house... Nor even how she got to the house or how she got home...

By keeping the time and place of the attack concealed in forgetfulness, she makes sure that the accused cannot prove her account to be untrue by showing a solid alibi, because he has detailed daily diary notes of his whereabouts and adtivities for every day of his life at that time...

And then she can't remember if she gave a reporter a copy of her therapist's notes [medical records]... And she is a PhD Psychologist...

The vote will tell the outcome, but her testimony is impeached...

I really think she has overlaid a real memory with this one which is virtual...

With the obvious political and psychological motivations...

She even admitted "reconstructing" here memory working backwards...

And remembering whether or not she had given her psychologist's notes to a political reporter would have opened her up to possible perjury charges...

Her memory lapses are just way too conveniently self-serving...

I don't buy it either - The event was too staged as well...

This whole thing stinks...


Arsenios

Memories cannot be trusted completely. I was watching something yesterday on tv (not from 2018) that was talking about memory and how it is our perception that helps us remember, not trusted facts (I can't remember the wording, I'm so bad at direct quotes).

I know someone who went to therapy and suddenly she began accusing people of things...that did not happen...because of the memories that came forth from therapy. It's sad when that happens.

Dr. Ford (I just learned that she's a doctor and I haven't been using that title because I read at first that she was only a professor) had an experience that is something I trust. That experience, though, is plagued by alcohol...and yes one beer can get a 15 year old drunk...and the passing years of forgetfulness.

I would be more inclined to believe it had been Kavanaugh if there was evidence from the therapy session naming him.

 

[tango]

I saw his tirade and accusing finger pointed at the Democratic senators. And I saw judge Kavanaugh's conspiracy theory rant about Hillary Clinton and resentful liberals who wanted to get him (the judge) as some kind of proxy for their allegedly pent up anger against Donald Trump and the 2016 election. And I thought this man is a party partisan fighter. He is not fit to sit on the SCOTUS as a justice. He is not impartial. He is angry and willing to embrace absurd conspiracy theories and to blame Hillary Clinton for his predicament. Hillary did not ferret out the accusations brought against judge Kavanaugh. Three women have come forward with testimony against him. And Dr Ford clearly is not a party hack or member of a conspiracy. Later the judge apologised for some of his emotional party partisan outbursts.

From what I can see getting upset about the situation is entirely unsurprising.

It would seem his accuser says he attacked her in the summer but isn't sure which summer, in a house that is largely unspecified with little to no information as to where the house was, who owned it, how she got to and from the house etc. People she claim were there have no knowledge of the event or even of the party taking place. To further boost her credibility she's afraid of flying but seems to do quite a lot of it. The whole thing looks like a sorry stitch-up.

If this were just a question of whether he is the best person for the job that would be one thing but allegations of sexual assault are serious. If he was getting overly emotional at the thought that some other judge might become a Supreme Court judge instead I'd agree that getting excessively emotional was inappropriate. But since he's talking about defending his very character against allegations that seem somewhat absurd and yet will probably be forever associated with him even if he could prove a negative, it's a different matter.

One obvious question - since the accuser is the one who needs to come up with evidence to support the accusation, is there a shred of evidence here? As far as I can tell there's a decades-old allegation backed by nothing.

 

[NewCreation435]

The latest is that the committee voted along party lines to send this confirmation to the full senate. Senator Flake is mentioning a week delay on the full senate vote while a FBI investigation is carried out

 

[Josiah]

Dr. Ford (I just learned that she's a doctor and I haven't been using that title because I read at first that she was only a professor) had an experience that is something I trust. That experience, though, is plagued by alcohol...and yes one beer can get a 15 year old drunk...and the passing years of forgetfulness. .

.... I have a doctorate and you never call ME "Doctor Josiah" :wink:

Seriously, it is mostly in the medical and academic worlds that one's doctorate degree is used as a title (well, some clergy do, too). And not always then (pharamists have a doctorate but never use the title).

In my former employ, at least a quarter of us had a doctorate (Ph.D's at that) but NONE of us EVER used the title "doctor." By the way, Judge Kavanaugh has a doctorate too (a law degree) but no one used that title (Lawyers never do) but he uses the tittle of Judge (he was confirmed several times with EVERY DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE voting for him).

I think it's respectful to use the title desired.... but this one is very inconsistent.


Back to the issue.... (sorry)

 

[Lamb]

.... I have a doctorate and you never call ME "Doctor Josiah" :wink:

Seriously, it is mostly in the medical and academic worlds that one's doctorate degree is used as a title (well, some clergy do, too). And not always then (pharamists have a doctorate but never use the title).

In my former employ, at least a quarter of us had a doctorate (Ph.D's at that) but NONE of us EVER used the title "doctor." By the way, Judge Kavanaugh has a doctorate too (a law degree) but no one used that title (Lawyers never do) but he uses the tittle of Judge (he was confirmed several times with EVERY DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE voting for him).

I think it's respectful to use the title desired.... but this one is very inconsistent.


Back to the issue.... (sorry)

Thanks for the info, Dr. J!

 

[MoreCoffee]

The latest is that the committee voted along party lines to send this confirmation to the full senate. Senator Flake is mentioning a week delay on the full senate vote while a FBI investigation is carried out

It appears that the agreement within the committee is that a one week (or less) investigation is to be requested and after that the full senate will vote. It also appears that Donald has ordered the FBI to conduct an investigation but the exact terms of reference for the investigation are not clear from what I have seen/heard so far.