Brown people wrote the bible

[Pedrito]

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I would suggest that Albion hit the nail on the head in Post #38:

To tell the truth, no one knows the complexion of Our Lord or the writers of the Bible books.

However, the Biblical record does provide a hint or two that Abraham and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob were physically distinctive in some way, and that that distinction included a general skin colouration.

(As an aside, the skin of Caucasian people, commonly described as white, is actually pinkish, having a tinge of red. I have actually seen some Asiatic people with skin that is whiter than Caucasian skin (detail can be given). I understand that in Korea for instance, white skinned people are described as red.)

The vestigial Abrahamic distinctness would have been preserved by the faithful during the Babylonian exile. It was maintained among the faithful few who returned to Jerusalem, by the expulsion of foreign wives that were taken by some returnees, together with the resulting offspring. (Ezra 9:1-15; Ezra 10:1-44; Nehemiah 13:23-31) While there is debate about when the Jewish practice of matrilineal descent commenced, it would seem that the practice was instigated at this time at the latest.

Is there a possible hint regarding one of those vestigial characteristics in the time of David and Solomon?

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1 Samuel 16:12: And he sent, and brought him [David] in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

1 Samuel 17:42: And when the Philistine [Goliath] looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

Song of Solomon 5:10: My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

(After the dispersion of 70AD, when the lot (fate) of Jews became unsavoury – attacks, pogroms, rapes – the gene pool of matrilineal descendants naturally broadened.)

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It is absolutely true that the colour of Jesus’ skin made and makes no difference to the world’s redemption.

Therefore, I suggest that speculation about Jewish skin colour in Biblical times, serves no purpose.

I further suggest that MoreCoffee could have been a shade off when he referred to the shade of the Bible authors’ and of Jesus’ skin.

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[pinacled]

actually,
The great day covenant has nothing to do with color.

And is something I have never heard a Catholic preist confess he knows nothing about such a promise.

as a matter of truth.
the rcc serves a as substitute levite as far as I can see.

If only one would admit they don't know the torah.
things will go well.
but,
pride has a way of taking root until a man thinks himself king.


But what do I know?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Disliking that groups of people are breaking the law is not equivalent to disliking them because they're a certain color.

Individuals break the laws rather than groups so while it is true that a group can break a law - for example all the members of a family as a group can enter the USA or Italy without proper papers and thus can break a law by so doing - it is not true that a group such as "Syrians" or "Hispanics" can break the law; at leas not in any western democracy that I know of, it may be possible to break a law simply by being of a specific "race" or a specific "religion" in some lands but not to my knowledge in any western democracy.

 

[Andrew]

Individuals break the laws rather than groups so while it is true that a group can break a law - for example all the members of a family as a group can enter the USA or Italy without proper papers and thus can break a law by so doing - it is not true that a group such as "Syrians" or "Hispanics" can break the law; at leas not in any western democracy that I know of, it may be possible to break a law simply by being of a specific "race" or a specific "religion" in some lands but not to my knowledge in any western democracy.

The group of law breakers I am referring to are the group of people who break the law by passing the border illegally from Mexico. Usually if someone starts by breaking the law then they will continue to, I am not basing it on color or religion, im basing it on the fact that they are breaking the law.
I guarantee you its not a race issue because I have absolute mad respect for those who actually come in the right and lawful way... illegals not so much, not at all really, and not only that but they put their kids in a lot of danger the way they do it, complete lawlessness and irresponsibility.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The group of law breakers I am referring to are the group of people who break the law by passing the border illegally from Mexico. Usually if someone starts by breaking the law then they will continue to, I am not basing it on color or religion, im basing it on the fact that they are breaking the law.
I guarantee you its not a race issue because I have absolute mad respect for those who actually come in the right and lawful way... illegals not so much, not at all really, and not only that but they put their kids in a lot of danger the way they do it, complete lawlessness and irresponsibility.

But for all that, brother Hoffman, the people who wrote the holy scriptures were brown. Maybe not any more brown than a Syrian, maybe like a Jordanian, but brown nevertheless, not northern European not lily white just ordinary brown people. People with dark hair and brown eyes and some amount of melanin showing in their skin - perhaps apt to tan darkly like the Song of Songs refers to. Not black like an Ethiopian nor blond like a Dutchman, nor like a Chinese person but like middle eastern people today and in past ages. Like the Saracens that the Crusaders fought, like the people of Capadocia and Bithinya and like the people of Samaria and Judea and Syria and Lebanon in the time of Christ. Like the Egyptians in the time of Moses. Like the Babylonians in the time of Jeremiah. And like the Assyrians in the time of some of the prophets.

 

[Andrew]

But for all that, brother Hoffman, the people who wrote the holy scriptures were brown. Maybe not any more brown than a Syrian, maybe like a Jordanian, but brown nevertheless, not northern European not lily white just ordinary brown people. People with dark hair and brown eyes and some amount of melanin showing in their skin - perhaps apt to tan darkly like the Song of Songs refers to. Not black like an Ethiopian nor blond like a Dutchman, nor like a Chinese person but like middle eastern people today and in past ages. Like the Saracens that the Crusaders fought, like the people of Capadocia and Bithinya and like the people of Samaria and Judea and Syria and Lebanon in the time of Christ. Like the Egyptians in the time of Moses. Like the Babylonians in the time of Jeremiah. And like the Assyrians in the time of some of the prophets.

Of course they were brown, Job for one was no white man, he was in Edom. But when we start placing colors with names I always get stuck with the Edomite, Cains descendents, Esau descendents, the white devil LOL
Romans were white though, you can tell in the sculptures that they were white men, I imagine jews in that era including Jesus might have a lighter shade of brown some even looking like Adam Sandler.
Can some one map out the races that correlate with lines of noahs sons? I see the white ashkenazi jews or Russians was one, they settled in Germany as the orthodoxy Jews there today...
Some of the writers could have been white jews... ?

 

[Albion]

That is all lame, fellows.

The people of the locale(s) in which Jesus lived are Arabs, and the Arabs were invaders of the area a half-dozen centuries AFTER Christ.

 

[Andrew]

That is all lame, fellows.

The people of the locale(s) in which Jesus lived are Arabs, and the Arabs were invaders of the area a half-dozen centuries AFTER Christ.

Apparently skin tone is a major concern and not so much demographics.
I say they were light pale brown with a hint of chestnut

 

[Albion]

Apparently skin tone is a major concern and not so much demographics.
I say they were light pale brown with a hint of chestnut

You're rejecting the people who insist that its really cinnamon-colored with a tinge of caramel, then?

 

[Josiah]

I reject the underlying racism of this thread....


Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.* , in what is probably one of the important speeches of the 20th Century, said, "I have a dream that my children will be judged not by the color of their skin but rather by the content of their character." His dream remains allusive in the USA and around the world as people (especially liberals) OBSESS over skin color, gender, etc. while insisting that character, morality, responsibility is entirely irrelevant.



- Josiah



* Many don't know, his father (a Baptist pastor and theologian) held Martin Luther SO in esteem that he legally changed his own name (and that of his son) to Martin Luther King. And many don't know that both father and son were very, very passionate Republicans. Not until the 1964 presidental campaign, not long before his tragic death, did MLK change his political registration to Democrat, and only because on one issue (race relations) he concluded that Johnson would be better than Goldwater (and he was probably right). Rev. Dr. MARTIN LUTHER King, Jr. decried any mention of race, gender, skin color or any other OUTWARD and IRRELEVANT distinction and equally insisted we SHOULD be focused on a person's character, morality, actions and the responsibility they accept and fulfill. All qualities that seem powerfully shunned by liberals in the USA and around the world. We honor this man by NEVER NOTICING or mentioning a person's race, gender, color, foot size, or other outward irrelevant issue BUT we DO focus on their actions, character, morality.



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[MoreCoffee]

That is all lame, fellows.

The people of the locale(s) in which Jesus lived are Arabs, and the Arabs were invaders of the area a half-dozen centuries AFTER Christ.

In Jesus' time the invaders were Romans yet Israelite people were the majority in Judea. The same is true of Arabs in the seventh and later centuries AD. They invaded the majority were Israelite people. Without wholesale genocide the native population remains more or less the same regardless of invasions. Such is the case in Israel in ancient times up until the 1948 war.

 

[Albion]

In Jesus' time the invaders were Romans yet Israelite people were the majority in Judea.

As I said, the Arabs (and what they look like) had nothing to do with it, although there have been several references to them made in the course of this thread.

 

[MoreCoffee]

As I said, the Arabs (and what they look like) had nothing to do with it, although there have been several references to them made in the course of this thread.

Before 1948 the majority were "Palestinian" people and they look a like Jordanians and Syrians; light brown people, with dark hair, brown eyes but an occasional hazel, green, and blue eyed person. It is brown people who wrote the bible. It is not radical to say so.

 

[Albion]

Before 1948 the majority were "Palestinian" people and they look a like Jordanians and Syrians; light brown people, with dark hair, brown eyes but an occasional hazel, green, and blue eyed person. It is brown people who wrote the bible. It is not radical to say so.

Wait a moment there. You are comparing people whose ancestors entered Palestine in the seventh or eighth centuries with the people who wrote the Bible. There is no way that the two are the same people.

If you want to press the idea that the people who wrote the books of the Bible looked brown, you will have to show it in some other way. So far you have tried to get by mainly through stipulating that they did.

 

[Josiah]

We don't know the penmen for most of the books of the Bible.... so it's impossible to know their DNA... and again, WHY DOES IT MATTER what was their skin color or shoe size or hair length?

 

[Andrew]

We don't know the penmen for most of the books of the Bible.... so it's impossible to know their DNA... and again, WHY DOES IT MATTER what was their skin color or shoe size or hair length?

lol I don't care if they were purple, unless they were choking... who would even know?

 

[MoreCoffee]

We don't know the penmen for most of the books of the Bible.... so it's impossible to know their DNA... and again, WHY DOES IT MATTER what was their skin color or shoe size or hair length?

Evidently it matters enough for numerous posts objecting to the idea or voicing the opinion that it doesn't matter to be written. If it is completely inconsequential - yet likely true - then why object to it? Brown people wrote the bible. Now what?

 

[Albion]

Since you asked...now you can take satisfaction from having said it six or seven times, and move along to something more important. Something theological even!

 

[MoreCoffee]

Since you asked...now you can take satisfaction from having said it six or seven times, and move along to something more important. Something theological even!

The proposition that the holy scriptures were written by brown people is important, and it is theological. It is about moral theology and religiously sanctioned racism. Moral theology is significant.

 

[Lamb]

The proposition that the holy scriptures were written by brown people is important, and it is theological. It is about moral theology and religiously sanctioned racism. Moral theology is significant.

What is the particular importance of color again considering those who wrote the bible? Does the bible speak about it?