When is our name written in the book of life?

[MennoSota]

But surely I wrote: Originally Posted by davedajobauk
"Without Free Will, mankind could not CHOOSE, to follow Jesus or, take an alternative path"

iow: ~not to-follow Jesus

rhetorical question:
Does God 'also choose' (?) those, whom will not (in good-time) repent

The answer to your second question is...No. The Bible says that "no one seeks God, not even one." Humans are born in corruption and rebellion. Humans are justly condemned with no need for God to choose.
Humans are born in slavery to sin. God is not obligated to save them, redeem them or pardon them. If God chooses to save, redeem or pardon, it is purely by His unmerited favor and choice to do so. He chooses to pardon some...because He can. That's what a Sovereign King can do. Slaves to sin have no say in the matter. They are wholly at the mercy of the Kings decision. Either the King justly judges sin or the King pardons by no merited argument from humans. He pardons because He so chooses to do so. No other explanation is provided.
Dave, your argument is a weak attempt at propping up human authority and reducing God's authority. Your position is not biblically solid.

 

[MennoSota]

"God, never does anything imperfectly"

Let the Holy Spirit translate for you


I used-to believe in the Holy Bible
I recognised, that the language [used] was 'archaic'
indeed, it sounds like our languages have come a long way since 'those-days'

I found the Bible becoming more and more a collection (anthology) of 'statements'
that when read 'literally' [against the background of archaeology] made less and less 'sense'
~that God could mean (intend-]to have [such] passed-on [/passed-down] to us


Now, I do not claim to know God's intentions for the people of Earth
(back then or now)
But I do know The FIGURES 'do not compute'_
God is LOVE ?
God is FORGIVING
God is MERCIFUL
God is beyond the EQUAL of any creature, that He has made
God doesn't do anything IMPERFECTLY
cue: stillborn, hopelessly-deformed, disaster victims, murder and rape victims, the victims of war and civil unrest
I won't ask, if He was 'punishing' those who suffered loss of friends / relatives (family)
for I believe those 'lost' were the victims of MEN doing satanic things and bad choices

So, I await with a kind of excitement and, near bated-breath
~for MANKIND to build a moon base
and to use that, as a 'stepping stone' into the remainder of the Solar System

IF, our planet were not surrounded by an electric fence (to keep us and Satan on-world)
You see, the Van Allen Belts are situated, in such a way
that there is no route into the solar system that may avoid-contact with them
except by the LONGER ROUTE ie: exiting Earth orbit, via Earth's 'poles'
and the solar system being-arranged as it is, this-means we cannot reach the elliptical plane
unless, we find some-way to SWIM out-there, instead-of going into 'free fall'


I have been having 'dreams' concerning our 'being-here' on-Earth (?)
as in ~CAST OUT OF HEAVEN along with Satan, who 'fearful' of our gaining knowledge
of him and becoming educated 'sufficiently' to defeat him/ or, of our then repenting
and returning to Heaven, that Satan had our genomes 'altered'
~our God-made PERFECT BODIES
were made susceptible to disease and the agues of ageing
where BEFORE, we might, have had 'abilities' such as, the 'AXOLOTL'
SATAN's PURPOSE, would then PERHAPS, be, to prevent sufficient knowledge being-obtained
as-might during such increased longevity (acquiring TRUTH) lead us to unseat Satan as ALL POWERFUL
yet unseen Ruler, of Hell on Earth [ENEMY of LOVE]

Failing to recognize FACT, when in-fact, it is 'hidden' in plain sight ~is, a human failing

dave

Wow! At risk of being reprimanded by the moderators, may I suggest you receive counseling, dave. A solid fundamentally Bible-based counselor may be of great value to you. There seems to be some deep seeded issues that a Godly counselor could be of benefit. I'm sorry for your struggles.

 

[pinacled]

The answer to your second question is...No. The Bible says that "no one seeks God, not even one." Humans are born in corruption and rebellion. Humans are justly condemned with no need for God to choose.
Humans are born in slavery to sin. God is not obligated to save them, redeem them or pardon them. If God chooses to save, redeem or pardon, it is purely by His unmerited favor and choice to do so. He chooses to pardon some...because He can. That's what a Sovereign King can do. Slaves to sin have no say in the matter. They are wholly at the mercy of the Kings decision. Either the King justly judges sin or the King pardons by no merited argument from humans. He pardons because He so chooses to do so. No other explanation is provided.
Dave, your argument is a weak attempt at propping up human authority and reducing God's authority. Your position is not biblically solid.

no,
the bible says no such thing about the whole of humans..

with certainty david was mentioned to be a man that sought after Gods own heart.

 

[MennoSota]

no,
the bible says no such thing about the whole of humans..

with certainty david was mentioned to be a man that sought after Gods own heart.

Romans 3

 

[pinacled]

Romans 3

12. What son or daughter is there that desireth life, And loveth many days, that they may see good?

13. Keep thy tongue from evil, And thy lips from speaking guile.

14. Depart from evil, and do good; Seek peace, and pursue it.

15. The eyes of Adonai are toward the righteous, And his ears are open unto their cry.

16. The face of Adonai is against them that do evil, To cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. (From Psalm 34)

 

[RichWh1]

Maybe the question should have been “ Whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life?”



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[pinacled]

Maybe the question should have been “ Whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life?”



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Eli,
50(clasp of gold)
of Mattat,
of Levi,
of Malki,
of Yannai,
of Yosef,
45
of Mattityahu,
of Amotz,
of Nachum,
of Hesli,
of Naggai,
40
of Machat,
of Mattityahu,
of Shim‘i,
of Yosef,
of Yodah,
35
of Yochanan,
of Reisha,
of Z’rubavel,
of Sh’altiel,
of Neri,
30
of Malki,
of Addi,
of Kosam,
of Elmadan,
of Er,
25
of Yeshua,
of Eli‘ezer,
of Yoram,
of Mattat,
of Levi,
20
of Shim‘on,
of Y’hudah,
of Yosef,
of Yonam,
of Elyakim,
15
of Mal’ah,
of Manah,
of Mattatah,
of Natan,
of David,
10
of Yishai,
of ‘Oved,
of Bo‘az,
of Salmon,
of Nachshon,
5
of Amminadav,
of Admin,
of Arni,
of Hetzron,
of Peretz,

of Y’hudah,
of Ya‘akov,
of Yitz’chak,
of Avraham,

of Terach,
of Nachor,
of S’rug,
of Re‘u,
of Peleg,
of ‘Ever,
of Shelah,
of Keinan,
of Arpakhshad,
of Shem,


of Noach,
of Lemekh,
of Metushelach,
of Hanokh,
of Yered,
of Mahalal’el,
of Keinan,
of Enosh,
(of Shet,)
of Adam,

of God.

 

[atpollard]

But surely I wrote: Originally Posted by davedajobauk
"Without Free Will, mankind could not CHOOSE, to follow Jesus or, take an alternative path"

iow: ~not to-follow Jesus

rhetorical question:
Does God 'also choose' (?) those, whom will not (in good-time) repent

Romans 3:10-11

 

[davedajobauk]

The answer to your second question is...No. The Bible says that "no one seeks God, not even one." Humans are born in corruption and rebellion. Humans are justly condemned with no need for God to choose.
Humans are born in slavery to sin. God is not obligated to save them, redeem them or pardon them. If God chooses to save, redeem or pardon, it is purely by His unmerited favor and choice to do so. He chooses to pardon some...because He can. That's what a Sovereign King can do. Slaves to sin have no say in the matter. They are wholly at the mercy of the Kings decision. Either the King justly judges sin or the King pardons by no merited argument from humans. He pardons because He so chooses to do so. No other explanation is provided.
Dave, your argument is a weak attempt at propping up human authority and reducing God's authority. Your position is not biblically solid.

I see, that I am 'on the right-road'

I'll ignore the 'aspersions' and withdraw
and leave you to, your-judgements

ray:

 

[pinacled]

Romans 3:10-11

So if you, even though you are bad, know how to give your children gifts that are good, how much more will your Father in heaven keep giving good things to those who keep asking him!

Every good act of giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father who made the heavenly lights;



and what is your point?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-humility/


seems to me that is your last arrow.

 

[MennoSota]

I see, that I am 'on the right-road'

I'll ignore the 'aspersions' and withdraw
and leave you to, your-judgements

ray:

If propping up humans as greater than God is your idea of the right road, then take the wide road, dave.

 

[atpollard]

Did God write our name's in the book of life when he predestined the believers and then when did he blot some out?

I see no evidence that God blots some names out of the book of life. Do you have a specific verse in mind?

 

[pinacled]

If propping up humans as greater than God is your idea of the right road, then take the wide road, dave.

kedusha
kefa 1
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;in oil

16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)}3 All things came to be through him,
and without him nothing made had being.
vayikrah(leviticus 11
For I am the Lord your God, and you shall sanctify yourselves and be holy, because I am holy, and you shall not defile yourselves through any creeping creature that crawls on the ground.

כִּ֣י אֲנִ֣י יְהֹוָה֘ אֱלֹֽהֵיכֶם֒ וְהִתְקַדִּשְׁתֶּם֙ וִֽהְיִיתֶ֣ם קְדשִׁ֔ים כִּ֥י קָד֖וֹשׁ אָ֑נִי וְלֹ֤א תְטַמְּאוּ֙ אֶת־נַפְשֹׁ֣תֵיכֶ֔ם בְּכָל־הַשֶּׁ֖רֶץ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ:



i believe you were given a warning about manners and it seems you need to be reminded often about how to speak.
If you do not know how to, or have been denied reconciliation.
This is not the place to come and attempt to sow divisiveness.

 

[atpollard]

When does God say the names were written in the book of life:

[Rev 13:8 NASB] 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, [everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
[Rev 17:8 NASB] 8 "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

 

[MennoSota]

kedusha
kefa 1
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;in oil

16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)}3 All things came to be through him,
and without him nothing made had being.
vayikrah(leviticus 11
For I am the Lord your God, and you shall sanctify yourselves and be holy, because I am holy, and you shall not defile yourselves through any creeping creature that crawls on the ground.

כִּ֣י אֲנִ֣י יְהֹוָה֘ אֱלֹֽהֵיכֶם֒ וְהִתְקַדִּשְׁתֶּם֙ וִֽהְיִיתֶ֣ם קְדשִׁ֔ים כִּ֥י קָד֖וֹשׁ אָ֑נִי וְלֹ֤א תְטַמְּאוּ֙ אֶת־נַפְשֹׁ֣תֵיכֶ֔ם בְּכָל־הַשֶּׁ֖רֶץ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ:



i believe you were given a warning about manners and it seems you need to be reminded often about how to speak.
If you do not know how to, or have been denied reconciliation.
This is not the place to come and attempt to sow divisiveness.

This is not the place to be propping up humans and denying the grace of God.
As to all the fluff you add, it looks like the Hebrew Roots cult to me. Are you a follower of Herbert W Armstrong or an offshoot?

 

[pinacled]

This is not the place to be propping up humans and denying the grace of God.
As to all the fluff you add, it looks like the Hebrew Roots cult to me. Are you a follower of Herbert W Armstrong or an offshoot?

Your heart is showing.

 

[MennoSota]

Your heart is showing.

Your avoidance is showing.
As for me, I am a sinner through and through. My heart is desperately wicked. It is this reality that makes me wholly dependent upon the gracious mercy of God. I am grateful for His mercy and His amazing grace expressed toward me. I do not deny my corruption of heart, pinacle. Do you have more observations of depravity in me that you wish to point out?
Are you a Hebrew Roots or follower of Herbert W Armstrong?

 

[pinacled]

Your avoidance is showing.
As for me, I am a sinner through and through. My heart is desperately wicked. It is this reality that makes me wholly dependent upon the gracious mercy of God. I am grateful for His mercy and His amazing grace expressed toward me. I do not deny my corruption of heart, pinacle. Do you have more observations of depravity in me that you wish to point out?
Are you a Hebrew Roots or follower of Herbert W Armstrong?

I will bless Adonai at all times;
his praise will always be in my mouth.
3 (2) When I boast, it will be about Adonai;
the humble will hear of it and be glad.

"Blessed are the meek

4 (3) Proclaim with me the greatness of Adonai;
let us exalt his name together.
5 (4) I sought Adonai, and he answered me;
he rescued me from everything I feared.
6 (5) They looked to him and grew radiant;
their faces will never blush for shame.
7 (6) This poor man cried; Adonai heard
and saved him from all his troubles.
8 (7) The angel of Adonai, who encamps
around those who fear him, delivers them.

“How blessed are those who show mercy!
for they will be shown mercy.

9 (8) Taste, and see that Adonai is good.
How blessed are those who take refuge in him!
10 (9) Fear Adonai, you holy ones of his,
for those who fear him lack nothing.
11 (10) Young lions can be needy, they can go hungry,
but those who seek Adonai lack nothing good.

“How blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness!
for they will be filled.

12 (11) Come, children, listen to me;
I will teach you the fear of Adonai.
13 (12) Which of you takes pleasure in living?
Who wants a long life to see good things?
14 (13) [If you do,] keep your tongue from evil
and your lips from deceiving talk;
15 (14) turn from evil, and do good;
seek peace, go after it!
16 (15) The eyes of Adonai watch over the righteous,
and his ears are open to their cry.
17 (16) But the face of Adonai opposes those who do evil,
to cut off all memory of them from the earth.

“How blessed are the pure in heart!
for they will see God.

18 (17) [The righteous] cried out, and Adonai heard,
and he saved them from all their troubles.
19 (18) Adonai is near those with broken hearts;
he saves those whose spirit is crushed.
20 (19) The righteous person suffers many evils,
but Adonai rescues him out of them all.
21 (20) He protects all his bones;
not one of them gets broken.

22 (21) Evil will kill the wicked,
and those who hate the righteous will be condemned.
23 (22) But Adonai redeems his servants;
no one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.

“How blessed are those who make peace!
for they will be called sons of God.

Blessings

 

[MoreCoffee]

It is possible that the Book of Life has no names in it at this time in human history and that the names are written near or during the last day when the judgement of the living and the dead is made.

 

[MennoSota]

It is possible that the Book of Life has no names in it at this time in human history and that the names are written near or during the last day when the judgement of the living and the dead is made.

That theory would not be expressed in scripture, however.