Does the Qu'ran tell the same truth found in the Christian Bible?

[MennoSota]

Because I said God/Father is the Holy Spirit and is Jesus Christ? Is that not the Trinity?

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I believe you are expressing modalism.
https://carm.org/modalism

 

[Albion]

Because I said God/Father is the Holy Spirit and is Jesus Christ? Is that not the Trinity?

Nope. That is what I made mention of earlier--saying there is one God who does different things at different times (which causes us to call him by different names according to which role, function, or appearance we are dealing with).

 

[Andrew]

I believe you are expressing modalism.
https://carm.org/modalism

Yeah but I believe that saying Jesus is not God is heresy according to scripture when the Jews denied that Jesus was God... he also said he and the Father are one. The way I see the Trinity is that God is throned in Heaven and the Holy Spirit is like a tether to the Son... 3 and 1, 1 and 3, trinity

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[Albion]

Yeah but I believe that saying Jesus is not God is heresy according to scripture

That's right.

The way I see the Trinity is that God is throned in Heaven and the Holy Spirit is like a tether to the Son... 3 and 1, 1 and 3, trinity

I am not sure what to say about thrones and tethers, but the way you described your view before isn't Trinitarian, that's all. And that's because of thinking of the Holy Spirit as something other than a person of God. As a matter of fact, what you described strikes me as similar to the POV advocated by Herbert W. Armstrong and Garner Ted Armstrong, if you remember them, which usually got their churches described as cults for believing in a duopoly instead of a trinity.

 

[Andrew]

That's right.


I am not sure what to say about thrones and tethers, but the way you described your view before isn't Trinitarian, that's all. And that's because of thinking of the Holy Spirit as something other than a person of God. As a matter of fact, what you described strikes me as similar to the POV advocated by Herbert W. Armstrong and Garner Ted Armstrong, if you remember them, which usually got their churches described as cults for believing in a duopoly instead of a trinity.

Never heard of them but anyway, i was trying to make a point that the only way to the Father is through Jesus or you serve a false god thus a false doctrine... and thus the Qur'an is not the same message.

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[Albion]

You asked me about the Trinity and your own beliefs about that doctrine.

 

[popsthebuilder]

That's right.


I am not sure what to say about thrones and tethers, but the way you described your view before isn't Trinitarian, that's all. And that's because of thinking of the Holy Spirit as something other than a person of God. As a matter of fact, what you described strikes me as similar to the POV advocated by Herbert W. Armstrong and Garner Ted Armstrong, if you remember them, which usually got their churches described as cults for believing in a duopoly instead of a trinity.

The Holy Spirit of GOD is not a person or three people, or three persona or three personalities.



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[Andrew]

Albion
How is it saying that because all three are the same/all three are God that they have different functions? I do not follow the UPC concept of "functions".. and there are two different accounts in scripture that say in whos name to get baptised, Father Son Holy Ghost... and Jesus... seems like they all 'function' alike.
however when I pray to God I do not pray to the Holy Spirit but 'through' it or 'in' it, thats why I said 'tether', and I would be praying to a false god if I didn't go through the Christ Jesus. There is no role of each, its not a play, and they arent any separate functions, its just the way it is. Chicken or the egg?


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[Albion]

The Holy Spirit of GOD is not a person or three people, or three persona or three personalities.

I think the problem with answers like that--although it covered a lot of possibilities--is that the Holy Spirit definitely is not some attribute of the Father (or of the Father and Son together), not his invisible presence, etc.

I dont know if that is what you had in mind with your reply, but I hear it often from others. Incidentally, this is why I prefer the traditional Holy Ghost terminology...because it tends to keep people from thinking that the Holy Spirit is just the spirit of the Father.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I think the problem with answers like that--although it covered a lot of possibilities--is that the Holy Spirit definitely is not some attribute of the Father (or of the Father and Son together), not his invisible presence, etc.

I dont know if that is what you had in mind with your reply, but I hear it often from others. Incidentally, this is why I prefer the traditional Holy Ghost terminology...because it tends to keep people from thinking that the Holy Spirit is just the spirit of the Father.

On what foundation do you stand saying that the Holy Spirit is not the Holy Spirit of GOD almighty?

So are you one of those trinitarians who insist not only on three different and separate persons, bit also three separate spirits?

If GOD is three persons and each person is comprised of a spirit and body then how did three separate spirits and three bodies live within Jesus?

Scripture please

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[Albion]

On what foundation do you stand saying that the Holy Spirit is not the Holy Spirit of GOD almighty?

What I said was that the Holy Ghost is not an attribute of the Father. He is, of course, one of three persons of the Holy Trinity. All are the one God of the Bible.

I was responding to what I thought, from your wording, you had in mind in your earlier post;, but there is a lot of grey area in this kind of discussion, depending upon what anyone means by a word or phrase here or there.

If GOD is three persons and each person is comprised of a spirit and body then how did three separate spirits and three bodies live with Jesus?

I have no idea where you might have picked up that perspective, but the Holy Ghost does not have a physical body and neither does the Father, although Moses saw him looking as though he had one.



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[popsthebuilder]

He is, of course, one of three persons of the Holy Trinity. All are the one God of the Bible.

I was responding to what I thought, from your wording, you had in mind in your earlier post;, but there is a lot of grey area in this kind of discussion, depending upon what anyone means by a word here or there.


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So are you one of those teinitarians who insist not only on three different and separate persons, bit also three separate spirits?

If GOD is three persons and each person is comprised of a spirit and body then how did three separate spirits and three bodies live with Jesus?

Scripture please

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[/QUOTE]Could you attempting to answer the question please?

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[Albion]

If you still do not understand the explanation(s) given, please do focus on what you see as the sticking point and rephrase your question. I will then try again, using a different way of explaining the nature of the Trinity, if possible. But in the previous post you asked a number of questions, each of which assumed an erroneous definition of the Triune nature of God. That has to be corrected before we can move onto something else.

 

[Andrew]

He is, of course, one of three persons of the Holy Trinity. All are the one God of the Bible.

I was responding to what I thought, from your wording, you had in mind in your earlier post;, but there is a lot of grey area in this kind of discussion, depending upon what anyone means by a word here or there.



I have no idea where you might have picked up that perspective, but the Holy Ghost does not have a physical body and neither does the Father, although Moses saw him looking as though he had one.

Which is what I stated earlier and what scripture states, Jesus is the embodiment and manifestation of the invisible God in the flesh but yet you charge me for stating that.

Now back to the subject matter, if Jesus said that no man comes to the Father but by him, then that statement alone suggest that Allah is not God because Jesus is not the son but a mere prophet and that Mohammed is the way to God, wrong God and different message.

Btw 'Father' always means God

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[popsthebuilder]

Which is what I stated earlier and what scripture states, Jesus is the embodiment and manifestation of the invisible God in the flesh but yet you charge me for stating that.

Now back to the subject matter, if Jesus said that no man comes to the Father but by him, then that statement alone suggest that Allah is not God because Jesus is not the son but a mere prophet and that Mohammed is the way to God, wrong God and different message.

Btw 'Father' always means God

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How is Jesus being referred to as something other than the son of GOD mean that He isnt the way to GOD?

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[Andrew]

How is Jesus being referred to as something other than the son of GOD mean that He isnt the way to GOD?

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Because that would make scripture out to be a lie, Emmanuel = God with us, that is who Jesus is.

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[Albion]

Which is what I stated earlier and what scripture states, Jesus is the embodiment and manifestation of the invisible God in the flesh but yet you charge me for stating that.

No, I didn't. But both MennoSota and I instantly recognized your position as Modalism when we read the argument you put forth (more than once, in fact)---

Because I said God/Father is the Holy Spirit and is Jesus Christ? Is that not the Trinity?

The Father IS NOT the Holy Spirit, and neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ!

 

[popsthebuilder]

Because that would make scripture out to be a lie, Emmanuel = God with us, that is who Jesus is.

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The Quran in no way denies such friend.

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[MennoSota]

The Holy Spirit of GOD is not a person or three people, or three persona or three personalities.



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Your title implies more than one when you use the title "Holy Spirit of God."

 

[popsthebuilder]

Your title implies more than one when you use the title "Holy Spirit of God."

What do you mean?

The Spirit of GOD, the Holy Spirit of GOD..... GOD is spirit and we are to worship in spirit and in truth.

How are getting any plurality from my words please?

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