Does the Qu'ran tell the same truth found in the Christian Bible?

[MennoSota]

What do you mean?

The Spirit of GOD, the Holy Spirit of GOD..... GOD is spirit and we are to worship in spirit and in truth.

How are getting any plurality from my words please?

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When you use the word "of" you are stating more than one.

 

[popsthebuilder]

When you use the word "of" you are stating more than one.

Not at all.


Of.... As in from....as in breathed into.....emanated from.


Of means from.....in math it means to deduct.....litteraly from.....
No plurality friend.

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[MennoSota]

Not at all.


Of.... As in from....as in breathed into.....emanated from.


Of means from.....in math it means to deduct.....litteraly from.....
No plurality friend.

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In either case it is a plural.

 

[popsthebuilder]

In either case it is a plural.

Nope....sorry

of

əv/

preposition

preposition:*of

1.

expressing the relationship between a part and a whole.

"the sleeve of his coat"

2.

expressing the relationship between a scale or measure and a value.

"an increase of 5 percent"

expressing an age.

"a boy of fifteen"

3.

indicating an association between two entities, typically one of belonging.

"the son of a friend"

expressing the relationship between an author, artist, or composer and their works collectively.

"the plays of Shakespeare"

4.

expressing the relationship between a direction and a point of reference.

"north of Chicago"

5.

expressing the relationship between a general category and the thing being specified which belongs to such a category.

"the city of Prague"

governed by a noun expressing the fact that a category is vague.

"this type of book"

6.

indicating the relationship between a verb and an indirect object.

with a verb expressing a mental state.

"they must be persuaded of the severity of the problem"

expressing a cause.

"he died of cancer"

7.

indicating the material or substance constituting something.

"the house was built of bricks"

8.

NORTH AMERICAN

expressing time in relation to the following hour.

"it would be just a quarter of three in New York"

(No pluraliriy whatsoever; only expression of relationship between a part and whole.

Not plurality.)

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[atpollard]

Because that would make scripture out to be a lie, Emmanuel = God with us, that is who Jesus is.

The Quran in no way denies such friend.

Qu'ran 5

72. They disbelieve those who say, “God is the Messiah the son of Mary.” But the Messiah himself said, “O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates others with God, God has forbidden him Paradise, and his dwelling is the Fire. The wrongdoers have no saviors.”

73. They disbelieve those who say, “God is the third of three.” But there is no deity except the One God. If they do not refrain from what they say, a painful torment will befall those among them who disbelieve.

74. Will they not repent to God and ask His forgiveness? God is Forgiving and Merciful.

75. The Messiah son of Mary was only a messenger, before whom other Messengers had passed away, and his mother was a woman of truth. They both used to eat food. Note how We make clear the revelations to them; then note how deluded they are.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Qu'ran 5

72. They disbelieve those who say, “God is the Messiah the son of Mary.” But the Messiah himself said, “O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates others with God, God has forbidden him Paradise, and his dwelling is the Fire. The wrongdoers have no saviors.”

73. They disbelieve those who say, “God is the third of three.” But there is no deity except the One God. If they do not refrain from what they say, a painful torment will befall those among them who disbelieve.

74. Will they not repent to God and ask His forgiveness? God is Forgiving and Merciful.

75. The Messiah son of Mary was only a messenger, before whom other Messengers had passed away, and his mother was a woman of truth. They both used to eat food. Note how We make clear the revelations to them; then note how deluded they are.

I must have missed your point. Could you explain it please?

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[atpollard]

I must have missed your point. Could you explain it please?

Sure.

Q.5:72 ... Jesus denied that he was God; those that claim Jesus was God will burn in the fire of Hell.
Q.5:73 ... If Trinitarians do not repent, they will suffer torment ... there is only one God, so Jesus cannot be God.
Q.5:75 ... Jesus, son of Mary, was only a man, like the prophets that lived before him ... NOT GOD.

D.Hoffman said "God with us, that is who Jesus is."
You replied "The Quran in no way denies such friend."

Quran 5:72-75 denies it 3 different ways and curses those who believe Jesus is God twice.
That was the point.

 

[Andrew]

No, I didn't. But both MennoSota and I instantly recognized your position as Modalism when we read the argument you put forth (more than once, in fact)---



The Father IS NOT the Holy Spirit, and neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ!

I and the Father are one - Jesus
John 10:30

It is not at all Modalism

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[MennoSota]

Nope....sorry

of

əv/

preposition

preposition:*of

1.

expressing the relationship between a part and a whole.

"the sleeve of his coat"

2.

expressing the relationship between a scale or measure and a value.

"an increase of 5 percent"

expressing an age.

"a boy of fifteen"

3.

indicating an association between two entities, typically one of belonging.

"the son of a friend"

expressing the relationship between an author, artist, or composer and their works collectively.

"the plays of Shakespeare"

4.

expressing the relationship between a direction and a point of reference.

"north of Chicago"

5.

expressing the relationship between a general category and the thing being specified which belongs to such a category.

"the city of Prague"

governed by a noun expressing the fact that a category is vague.

"this type of book"

6.

indicating the relationship between a verb and an indirect object.

with a verb expressing a mental state.

"they must be persuaded of the severity of the problem"

expressing a cause.

"he died of cancer"

7.

indicating the material or substance constituting something.

"the house was built of bricks"

8.

NORTH AMERICAN

expressing time in relation to the following hour.

"it would be just a quarter of three in New York"

(No pluraliriy whatsoever; only expression of relationship between a part and whole.

Not plurality.)

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Of something means it comes from something else. Therefore the "Holy Spirit of God" refers to a Spirit that comes from God, not God itself. Thus you make God a plural.

 

[Albion]

I and the Father are one - Jesus
John 10:30

In purpose, yes. But he obviously was not saying that he and the Father were identical.


Otherwise, Jesus would have been telling his mother, on the occasion of him confounding the elders in the temple, that he must be about his own work...

Would have been telling his Apostles, when they asked how to pray, that they should pray to him, saying "Our Father, who art here, hallowed be my name" etc...

Would have been praying to himself in the Garden of Gethsemane that he should take away his coming arrest, torture, and death by himself...

Would have been asking himself, on the cross, why he had forsaken himself...


Its all too obvious.








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[popsthebuilder]

Sure.

Q.5:72 ... Jesus denied that he was God; those that claim Jesus was God will burn in the fire of Hell.
Q.5:73 ... If Trinitarians do not repent, they will suffer torment ... there is only one God, so Jesus cannot be God.
Q.5:75 ... Jesus, son of Mary, was only a man, like the prophets that lived before him ... NOT GOD.

D.Hoffman said "God with us, that is who Jesus is."
You replied "The Quran in no way denies such friend."

Quran 5:72-75 denies it 3 different ways and curses those who believe Jesus is God twice.
That was the point.

What?

The Quran does not deny that the spirit of GOD,the word of GOD, was in Jesus.

GOD with us indeed.

It draws the line at the material. The physical and temporal is never and can never be the eternal Source.

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[popsthebuilder]

Of something means it comes from something else. Therefore the "Holy Spirit of God" refers to a Spirit that comes from God, not God itself. Thus you make God a plural.

So you think the Spirit cannot be within the believer(plural), subsist all existence( plural), and to be the invisible Spirit of GOD.... GOD'S Spirit?

How is that not limiting the capacity of the infinite?

And no; it still doesn't mean plural, but from, as in the GOD breathed HIS Spirit into man.....it's still GOD'S, as all is.

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[MennoSota]

So you think the Spirit cannot be within the believer(plural), subsist all existence( plural), and to be the invisible Spirit of GOD.... GOD'S Spirit?

How is that not limiting the capacity of the infinite?

And no; it still doesn't mean plural, but from, as in the GOD breathed HIS Spirit into man.....it's still GOD'S, as all is.

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I state that your title makes God plural.
You can change your title and say, "God the Spirit," which is accurate. But, your title "The Holy Spirit of God" is a plurality that Jews, Christians and Muslims reject. I suggest you change your title.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I state that your title makes God plural.
You can change your title and say, "God the Spirit," which is accurate. But, your title "The Holy Spirit of God" is a plurality that Jews, Christians and Muslims reject. I suggest you change your title.

I couldn't care any less who rejects it. GOD the Spirit distinguishes the spirit of GOD from other aspects of GOD....which I am wholly against.

What is of GOD is of GOD. there is no division or distinction to be made except for if it is actually according to the Spirit or not.
And by Spirit I mean GOD almighty.

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[Andrew]

In purpose, yes. But he obviously was not saying that he and the Father were identical.


Otherwise, Jesus would have been telling his mother, on the occasion of him confounding the elders in the temple, that he must be about his own work...

Would have been telling his Apostles, when they asked how to pray, that they should pray to him, saying "Our Father, who art here, hallowed be my name" etc...

Would have been praying to himself in the Garden of Gethsemane that he should take away his coming arrest, torture, and death by himself...

Would have been asking himself, on the cross, why he had forsaken himself...


Its all too obvious.








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Like that time Jesus was baptised and Jesus came down and rested on Jesus and then Jesus heard Jesus say this is my Son Jesus? This is the actual verse that made me Trinitarian lol

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[MennoSota]

I couldn't care any less who rejects it. GOD the Spirit distinguishes the spirit of GOD from other aspects of GOD....which I am wholly against.

What is of GOD is of GOD. there is no division or distinction to be made except for if it is actually according to the Spirit or not.
And by Spirit I mean GOD almighty.

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A rock is made...of God. You are made...of God. You are officially known as "popsthebuilder of God."
Do you see your problem yet?
Instead, we acknowledge that God is one being and three distinct persons in that one being known as God. These three persons are: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
One being. Three persons. See, that's not so bad...is it.

 

[popsthebuilder]

A rock is made...of God. You are made...of God. You are officially known as "popsthebuilder of God."
Do you see your problem yet?
Instead, we acknowledge that God is one being and three distinct persons in that one being known as God. These three persons are: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
One being. Three persons. See, that's not so bad...is it.

Terrible.

person equals creation.

GOD is ever above and beyond creation as the sole Creator.

Using persons to show a relationship between GOD and HIS creation is understandable.

Defining GOD as three separate people is wholly wrong to me. Oh; wait; persons...actual plural....yet we know GOD is One and spirit; and no respecter of persons.


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[MennoSota]

Terrible.

person equals creation.

GOD is ever above and beyond creation as the sole Creator.

Using persons to show a relationship between GOD and HIS creation is understandable.

Defining GOD as three separate people is wholly wrong to me. Oh; wait; persons...actual plural....yet we know GOD is One and spirit; and no respecter of persons.


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No person does not equal creation when we are talking about an eternal being who exists outside of time, yet interacts within time.
The Bible conveys thus truth in Genesis 1 when the being known as God said "let us make man in our image."
Your antagonism toward scripture is noted.

 

[popsthebuilder]

No person does not equal creation when we are talking about an eternal being who exists outside of time, yet interacts within time.
The Bible conveys thus truth in Genesis 1 when the being known as God said "let us make man in our image."
Your antagonism toward scripture is noted.

Lie.

Show any single verse within our bible that refers to GOD almighty as a person.

The word "us" in no way denotes man or person or people.

It can reference the infinite nature of GOD though.

I speak about myself as we at times.

Does that make me two separate people? How are two sperate people within the body of one person?

If all the fullness of the godhead dwelled within Jesus but Jesus was only one person, then saying GOD is three persons who dwelled fully in the person of Jesus is self contradictory.

According to scripture a person is made up of a soul, spirit and body. If GOD is three separate persons and too was fully in the person Jesus; well then, you should be able to see the logical fallacy with this.

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[MennoSota]

Lie.

Show any single verse within our bible that refers to GOD almighty as a person.

The word "us" in no way denotes man or person or people.

It can reference the infinite nature of GOD though.

I speak about myself as we at times.

Does that make me two separate people? How are two sperate people within the body of one person?

If all the fullness of the godhead dwelled within Jesus but Jesus was only one person, then saying GOD is three persons who dwelled fully in the person of Jesus is self contradictory.

According to scripture a person is made up of a soul, spirit and body. If GOD is three separate persons and too was fully in the person Jesus; well then, you should be able to see the logical fallacy with this.

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LOL, your first word is lie?
Please note you ignore Genesis 1.