Is there a thing that can be done that will not be forgiven? If so what is it?

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Are we told to pray for all?

Is there one particular thing that we are told that is not only unforgiven but that whomever has committed such isn't to be prayed for?



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Mark 3:28-30 “Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

1 John 5:16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.
 

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And making the Spirit of GOD out to be evil is done how?

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By condemning moves of God or works of the Holy Spirit as of the devil such as speaking in toungues. I would caution everyone to be careful of what they call of the devil unless they know for certain.
 

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By condemning moves of God or works of the Holy Spirit as of the devil such as speaking in toungues. I would caution everyone to be careful of what they call of the devil unless they know for certain.
I would also caution that the devil is an imitator of God's gifts. Thus, the devil provides false tongues, false healings and false prophesy while masquerading as an angel of light.
Discernment is needed.
 

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By condemning moves of God or works of the Holy Spirit as of the devil such as speaking in toungues. I would caution everyone to be careful of what they call of the devil unless they know for certain.

There are so many religious beliefs and practices that are found in one church or another which have been called works of the devil by someone of another Christian orientation that I have a hard time believing this one to be the unpardonable sin. ;)
 

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What else would you call blaspheme of the Holy Spirit if not attributing ithe works of the Holy Spirit to satan?
 

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Mark 3:28-30 “Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

1 John 5:16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.

Many people believe that this sin leading to death in 1 John 5:16 is suicide. I don't personally believe that. I think this is a reference to spiritual death and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
 

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There are so many religious beliefs and practices that are found in one church or another which have been called works of the devil by someone of another Christian orientation that I have a hard time believing this one to be the unpardonable sin. ;)

I don't see blasphemy as something you could do accidentially. It is very much a sin a person would do knowing full well who he or she was speaking of
 

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I don't see blasphemy as something you could do accidentially. It is very much a sin a person would do knowing full well who he or she was speaking of
Would it be possible for a child of God to have God's grace removed from him? If so, does grace no longer remain grace?
 

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It is our doctrine that can lead to the conclusion that the Spirit is evil. Any such doctrine that can be concluded to show GOD in such a false light as to show HIM as evil has potential to be the cause of blaspheme of the Holy Spirit.

We should all check our doctrine closely and repeatedly for this very reason.

All sorts of blaspheme will be forgiven; even blaspheme of the name of Jesus the Christ. But that isn't making GOD out to be evil.

What doctrines conclude that our GOD is evil?

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I don't see blasphemy as something you could do accidentially. It is very much a sin a person would do knowing full well who he or she was speaking of
I'm missing how that is supposed to refer back to what I wrote--if that was the intention. (?)
 

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Would it be possible for a child of God to have God's grace removed from him? If so, does grace no longer remain grace?
Please stay on topic.

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What else would you call blaspheme of the Holy Spirit if not attributing ithe works of the Holy Spirit to satan?

Wait a moment. Speaking against the Holy Spirit may be blasphemy. Calling some unscriptural religious practice 'the work of the devil' is not blasphemy.
 

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I'm right on topic. You're simply not following the train of thought.
"Would it be possible for a child of God to have God's grace removed from him? If so, does grace no longer remain grace?"

Oh, I must have missed something. Elaborate please.

How does the quote relate to blaspheme of the Holy Spirit to you?

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"Would it be possible for a child of God to have God's grace removed from him? If so, does grace no longer remain grace?"

Oh, I must have missed something. Elaborate please.

How does the quote relate to blaspheme of the Holy Spirit to you?

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Can a child of God blaspheme the Spirit of God and thus have God the Father cut off and remove His gift of grace?
There, is that easier for you to folow?
 

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Can a child of God blaspheme the Spirit of God and thus have God the Father cut off and remove His gift of grace?
There, is that easier for you to folow?
I ask again that we stay on topic.

Your answer is no; if you refer to the very elect.

Your insinuated insults can stay to yourself too please.

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Many people believe that this sin leading to death in 1 John 5:16 is suicide. I don't personally believe that. I think this is a reference to spiritual death and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

I believe that 1 John 5:16 is speaking in far more practical and literal terms. I believe an example of "a sin leading to death" that we should not pray for is presented in the story of Ananias:

Acts 5:1-6 NASB
1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6 The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

Clearly there can be no doubt that Ananias' sin led to his death.
Furthermore, I believe that John is simply being practical in pointing out that there is no point in praying for someone after God has already passed the ultimate judgement on the case. To whom would one appeal God's perfect decision?
Thus while a sinner still has life, there is still hope that God will spare them, but once God passes his judgement and calls them to face Him, prayer is pointless (with all due respect to my Catholic brothers and their beliefs on purgatory).

I see another example of this attitude in the death of the son of David and Bathsheba:

2 Samuel 12:21-23 NASB
21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” 22 He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ 23 But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”
 

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I ask again that we stay on topic.

Your answer is no; if you refer to the very elect.

Your insinuated insults can stay to yourself too please.

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pops, I think you have no clue what we are discussing since you are attacking me rather than answering the question I ask as it relates to the topic thread.
I cannot help your ignorance in this matter.
 
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