Okay, let's talk about predestination

[Albion]

It would be an inadmissible answer, an irrelevant answer.

 

[user1234]

Not 'a Catholic response' .. please stop misquoting ppl, and (then accusing them of saying or believing something they didnt say and you know not what they believe) ... it's dishonest of you.

The standard response from the RomanCatholic practitioners that I know and/or have talked to about this is the "good life" response, as you called it.
(many claim they've tried to live a good life, they believe their good will outweigh their bad, they generally admit that they know theyre not perfect, but God knows their heart and they did the best they could and they think He'll forgive, etc.)
It reveals the RC denominations works-righteousness teaching, and the way many RC 'experts' come across as authorities not only on their own religion, but on the bible and even other ppl's denominations and/or beliefs is both laughable and sad at the same time, bc so much of their doctrine, teaching and practice is typical of those who neither 'enter in' but also block others from entering in as well. Much of the RC teaching and practice is either extra- or un-biblical, and has doctrine that Jesus hates, so they're in no position to even question, let alone ridicule, Presbyterians, Baptists, Pentecostals, or any saved believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.

*edit (add-ons) by Snerfle 12-1-17 9:20am

 

[Josiah]

This thread is about predestination.....

 

[user1234]

This thread is about predestination.....

Preach it, brother!
We can follow the rabbit trail back to when someone brought up justification, then an expansion/version of it from a denominations position, some rebuttals and corrections, more denominational turns with implications of what someone elses denomination teaches, corrections to that, and wow, what about predestination?
Youre right, that is the thread.
I believe the bible teaches that we're predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus.

 

[Imalive]

My rabbit is predestined to get a new rabbit trail. Just made one w a cat litter box.

 

[Albion]

I believe the bible teaches that we're predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus.

Universalism IOW?

 

[MoreCoffee]

This thread is about predestination.....

It's a mystery brother ...

 

[MennoSota]

You tell me and then we can both benefit from the teaching of Christ.

If God asked you "Why should I let you into my heaven?" how would you reply?

I was your enemy, separated from you by my evil thoughts and actions.
Yet now you have reconciled me to yourself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, you have brought me into your own presence, and I am holy and blameless as I stand before you without a single fault. May Jesus Christ be praised.

 

[MennoSota]

Universalism IOW?

Is the "we're" universal or particular?

 

[Albion]

Universal salvation. It would seem to be the inevitable implication built into what you wrote in that post.

 

[user1234]

Universal salvation. It would seem to be the inevitable implication built into what you wrote in that post.

Who? Snerfle or MennoSota ?

 

[Imalive]

Who? Snerfle or MennoSota ?

Are you a unisnerfle?

 

[Albion]

Who? Snerfle or MennoSota ?

Apologies. You're right that I answered Menno but my comment referred to something in a Snerfle post.

 

[user1234]

Are you a unisnerfle?

ound::stars::hearts: :stars: ound:

Apologies. You're right that I answered Menno but my comment referred to something in a Snerfle post.

Hey, no prob. If you wanna run it by me again, hopefully I can answer clearly. :mug:
(Ya never know, tho ... Sometimes I get as confused at my own posts as anybody. :chairfall

 

[Albion]

It is probably not worth rehashing at this point, but you wrote: 'I believe the bible teaches that we're predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus'.

That caused me to think that universal salvation would be a way such a view would work (assuming, that is, that you mean everyone when you say "we're"). But I didn't know for sure what you were thinking.

 

[atpollard]

This thread is about predestination.....

... and is, therefore, predestined to wander down many Calvinist/OSAS and Anti-Calvinist/OSAS bunny trails.

 

[Albion]

I know that was a joke, but it's also a good example of how people misunderstand what is meant when we speak of predestination. :wink:

 

[Imalive]

To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.


He came to His own, and His own[d] did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Imalive]

The Logical Fallacy That Substitutionary Atonement
Implies Limited Atonement
1st Premise: Christ died for His sheep specifically.
Assumed Premise: (Specificity = exclusivity).
Conclusion: Christ died for His sheep exclusively.
As you can see, the 2nd premise is assumed. In case there are still any doubts in your mind that Substitutionary Atonement doesn’t prove Limited Atonement, Galatians 2:20 settles it beyond question…

“the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.”
Now, here’s the above logical fallacy using Galatians 2:20…

1st Premise: The Son of God gave Himself for Paul specifically.
Assumed Premise: (Specificity = exclusivity.)
Conclusion: The Son of God gave Himself for Paul exclusively.
Now, can you see that Substitutionary Atonement does not logically imply Limited Atonement? Case closed!

2 Peter
Jesus died for these false teachers, He bought them with His blood:


But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

 

[MennoSota]

Here is something I wrote up about predestination and being chosen based upon the myriad of scripture verses addressing the subject. I find the evidence overwhelming, but I will leave it up to you.