the meaning of Baptism

[MoreCoffee]

Correct, the one baptism, in the context of the passage is iur immersion by the Holy Spirit into Christ. That is the one and only baptism unto salvation. No water baptism is ever needed for salvation.
Any water baptism is merely a ceremony depicting the authentic baptism done by God and God alone at the moment that God chose to adopt a human as his child.

The one baptism is baptism. Not something different from baptism. It's baptism with water and Spirit in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit which regenerates and which unites to Christ placing the faithful in the body of Christ.

 

[Imalive]

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[Imalive]

Correct, the one baptism, in the context of the passage is iur immersion by the Holy Spirit into Christ. That is the one and only baptism unto salvation. No water baptism is ever needed for salvation.
Any water baptism is merely a ceremony depicting the authentic baptism done by God and God alone at the moment that God chose to adopt a human as his child.

If someone gets saved in a jail in China and baptism is impossible they're saved, but if it is possible and it's just too much effort and they don't feel like it, although the Bible says you should be baptized, you can wonder if the person is saved. Why do you call me Lord Lord and do not what I tell you?

 

[MennoSota]

The whole of holy scripture puts emphasis on the community of the faithful - the body of Christ.

The whole of scripture glorifies God and His amazing grace given to His chosen children in plucking them out from their own rebellion and redeeming them. The glory of God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You have no concept of saving grace if you add even a speck of your effort to the process. Instead you make God a liar.

Saving grace is God's giving of himself in Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit to the faithful so that they may be one with God and share the divine nature in the resurrection.

 

[Imalive]

You have no concept of saving grace if you add even a speck of your effort to the process. Instead you make God a liar.

No if you just sit back eat chips and watch tv all day and don't follow Him you're mislead and have no faith. Faith without works is dead.

 

[MennoSota]

Saving grace is God's giving of himself in Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit to the faithful so that they may be one with God and share the divine nature in the resurrection.

Let me fix your statement:
Saving grace is God choosing to redeem rebels, despite their rebellion, through Jesus Christ's atonement for the rebel so that they may be united with God (Christ) and have fellowship with God as his chosen people.
Grace is God giving me what I don't deserve.

 

[MennoSota]

No if you just sit back eat chips and watch tv all day and don't follow Him you're mislead and have no faith. Faith without works is dead.

You are not talking about salvation. No rebel follows God and no rebel has faith...ever.
You are talking about what happens...after...salvation. Please get this straight.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Let me fix your statement ...

I am not confident of your ability to fix anything to do with the faith.

 

[user1234]

good works, Church membership, first communion, baptism, and faith are all graces given by God.

The Roman catholic church calls good works, membership in THEIR denomination, '1st holy communion' in THEIR denomination, water-baptism in THEIR denomination, 'graces' (?), and makes them requirements in order to be saved, denying the TRUE grace of God and effectually barring ppl from being saved by grace thru faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation is a gift, and I'm honestly hoping you receive it as such. And I can say quite confidently that there are at least a few of us praying for you to be saved, and I think we're believing it's gonna happen, and soon, we hope.

I'm not saying this in pretense or to put you down in any way. It's not God's will that any should perish, but all to come to repentance (a change of mind about who Jesus is and what He did for us), so we know we're praying according to His will.

Jesus loves you, and He died for your sins...all of them, and He rose from the grave.
If you were the only person left on earth, He would have come to die for you, and fully pay your entrance into His Kingdom, to save you, that's how much He loves you.
There is no other requirement or 'list of graces' in order to be saved, but to receive salvation by faith for exactly what it is, His gift to you.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Roman catholic church calls good works, membership in THEIR denomination, '1st holy communion' in THEIR denomination, water-baptism in THEIR denomination, 'graces' (?), and makes them requirements in order to be saved, denying the TRUE grace of God and effectually barring ppl from being saved by grace thru faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation is a gift, and I'm honestly hoping you receive it as such. And I can say quite confidently that there are at least a few of us praying for you to be saved, and I think we're believing it's gonna happen, and soon, we hope.

I'm not saying this in pretense or to put you down in any way. It's not God's will that any should perish, but all to come to repentance (a change of mind about who Jesus is and what He did for us), so we know we're praying according to His will.

Jesus loves you, and He died for your sins...all of them, and He rose from the grave.
If you were the only person left on earth, He would have come to die for you, and fully pay your entrance into His Kingdom, to save you, that's how much He loves you.
There is no other requirement or 'list of graces' in order to be saved, but to receive salvation by faith for exactly what it is, His gift to you.

Stop stressing over what Catholics do in their own Church. You're a protestant. Get on with being one. You've got to get over this weird fixation on what Catholics do. We don't worry much about what you do in your denomination.

 

[MennoSota]

I am not confident of your ability to fix anything to do with the faith.

I'm not fixing anything God gifts us. I'm fixing your false assertions, to which you cling.

 

[Albion]

Merely believing because "my leadership told me" is just being a puppet of a denomination. What the Bible says should lead to our own 95 thesis to discuss with our church.

Always a handy reply when one's own argument doesn't say much of anything-->"What you say is what your leadership/denomination told you to think."

The more I think about it, though, what the theologians of some of the world's most prominent church bodies have taught probably IS better than the musings of someone who owns a Bible and so thinks he knows more than anyone else about its contents.

:yawning:

 

[MennoSota]

Always a handy reply when one's own argument doesn't say much of anything-->"What you say is what your leadership/denomination told you to think."

The more I think about it, though, what the theologians of some of the world's most prominent church bodies have taught probably IS better than the musings of someone who owns a Bible and so thinks he knows more than anyone else about its contents.

:yawning:

Yawn...your statement leaves me to wonder if you would follow Charles Taze Russell merely because of denominational affiliation.

God has not made his word too complicated for his children to understand. He also has not given one denomination the keys to the kingdom.
I have merely asked for the teaching of infant baptism in the Bible and all I receive is prooftexts that don't fit the context. The reason for this is that there is no place in the entire Bible where infant baptism is in the context.
Do you disagree? Show the Bible passage where the context is infant baptism.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

[MENTION=394]MennoSota[/MENTION], which "God's word" are you speaking of? Literal translations, word for word, thought for thought, paraphrase, or some other?

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I have merely asked for the teaching of infant baptism in the Bible and all I receive is prooftexts that don't fit the context. The reason for this is that there is no place in the entire Bible where infant baptism is in the context.
Do you disagree? Show the Bible passage where the context is infant baptism.

If by context you mean there isn't a specific statement where "Apostle 'X' took infant 'Y' and baptized him in the name of...", you'd be right. But it ignores another meaning of "context":

...the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs :environment, setting the historical context of the war (emphasis mine)

Show me how this verse does not fall under "interrelated conditions" (i.e. historical context):

And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family.
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Acts 16:33

The link above is for all the available translations. There is no exception for infants noted in any of them.
Straight from "God's word". All of them.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

The Roman catholic church calls good works, membership in THEIR denomination, '1st holy communion' in THEIR denomination, water-baptism in THEIR denomination, 'graces' (?), and makes them requirements in order to be saved, denying the TRUE grace of God and effectually barring ppl from being saved by grace thru faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation is a gift, and I'm honestly hoping you receive it as such. And I can say quite confidently that there are at least a few of us praying for you to be saved, and I think we're believing it's gonna happen, and soon, we hope.

I'm not saying this in pretense or to put you down in any way. It's not God's will that any should perish, but all to come to repentance (a change of mind about who Jesus is and what He did for us), so we know we're praying according to His will.

Jesus loves you, and He died for your sins...all of them, and He rose from the grave.
If you were the only person left on earth, He would have come to die for you, and fully pay your entrance into His Kingdom, to save you, that's how much He loves you.
There is no other requirement or 'list of graces' in order to be saved, but to receive salvation by faith for exactly what it is, His gift to you.

Please stop suggesting that members are not saved. Not the first time. Thanks.

 

[Imalive]

Always a handy reply when one's own argument doesn't say much of anything-->"What you say is what your leadership/denomination told you to think."

The more I think about it, though, what the theologians of some of the world's most prominent church bodies have taught probably IS better than the musings of someone who owns a Bible and so thinks he knows more than anyone else about its contents.

:yawning:

Depends on their fruit. Lot of those didnt have real great fruit. I rather listen to a teacher w good fruit.

 

[MennoSota]

[MENTION=394]MennoSota[/MENTION], which "God's word" are you speaking of? Literal translations, word for word, thought for thought, paraphrase, or some other?

Pick your English Bible since I don't read greek or hebrew. I read the ESV (but quoting more than one verse is easier for me with the NLT).

What translation do you wish to use to show Jesus or the Apostles teaching baptismal regeneration via infant baptism?

 

[MennoSota]

If by context you mean there isn't a specific statement where "Apostle 'X' took infant 'Y' and baptized him in the name of...", you'd be right. But it ignores another meaning of "context":



Show me how this verse does not fall under "interrelated conditions" (i.e. historical context):



The link above is for all the available translations. There is no exception for infants noted in any of them.
Straight from "God's word". All of them.

I assume you are thinking that making up infant baptism is a replacement for circumcision. Is that accurate?
The problem is that while Paul says that Christians are grafted into Israel by God, there is no reference to infant baptism being equal to circumcision. Paul gives us on allegory in Galatians when he references Hagar and Sarah, but there is no allegory connecting infant baptism to circumcision.
The conclusion must be that people, centuries later, made up the myth as a means of easing their troubled minds in regard to the high infant mortality rate. Such efforts to ease conscience does not, however, make the idea legitimate.
There is no interrelated condition provided for infant baptism. It is a made-up theology filled with smoke and mirrors.